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Is Salvia 'useful'?? 1
#23356610 - 06/18/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys. I was wondering if any of you have had good experiences with Salvia divinorum that were positive in a way that's similar to classical Psychedelics. Or at least positive. I understand it acts on the Kappa-Opioid receptors and not the serotonin receptor like classical Psych's.
Have any of you had any good experiences with it that you felt benefitted you in some way?
Anyone have any negative experiences and feel like the drug should be avoided?
Is it sort of like the other non-serotonin-agonizing Hallucinogens like Ketamine or Datura where it causes hallucinations but they are not very "Spiritual" like LSD/Mushrooms/Etc...
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh] 2
#23357205 - 06/18/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's very useful. The mazatec Indians of mexico use it spiritually along with psilocybin mushrooms and morning glories. They say it teaches us how to interpret the visuals we see on the mushrooms and morning glories. This has been true for me. I have never done the extract and never will. The leaf is where the useful experience is. It blatantly shows me that everything physical in my reality is connected to my thoughts and is a reflection of them. Kinetic movement is possible with salvia.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh] 1
#23357231 - 06/18/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dunno, consider trying it as a quid and meditating as opposed to smoking some strong extract.
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Wow. Interesting. Makes me want to try it a little more now.
Why the leaf? Just because it's the natural plant and less strong? So less chance of overdosing?
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh] 1
#23357446 - 06/18/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a friend who always tells me I need to try it because he had a very profound salvia experience that stayed with him
But I would rather have DMT every time
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#23357578 - 06/18/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I went through a period of time where I grew Salvia at home and smoked it or did quids regularly. Despite my continued usage, I never really got much out of it.
The trips were interesting, especially the longer lasting trips you get from doing quids, but they felt spiritually empty.
That is not to say that Salvia is a bad substance. I think it's worth experiencing, mainly because it's such a powerful experience, quite unlike any regular psychedelic. It always felt like a strange mix of dissociatives, psychedelics and deliriants to me.
When doing Salvia, I always felt like I was able to view an entirely parallel dimension, all at the same time as being in this one. My view would often overlap between both, and the trips would be very confusing.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#23357592 - 06/18/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm sure DMT is x1000 times better. Just seems like an interesting thing to explore. Not as dangerous as Ketamine or Datura. Interesting that it's a kappa-opioid receptor agonist.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh] 1
#23357724 - 06/18/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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mctaveesh said: Yeah, I'm sure DMT is x1000 times better. Just seems like an interesting thing to explore. Not as dangerous as Ketamine or Datura. Interesting that it's a kappa-opioid receptor agonist.
What I find even more interesting about Salvia is it seems to have reverse tolerance. The more I did it, the less I needed to trip. And no matter how much I did it, I never had withdrawals or any bad side effect (beyond the trip itself, sometimes).
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? (moved) [Re: mctaveesh] 1
#23358334 - 06/18/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Other Drugs Discussion.
Reason: Salvia related threads belong in The Psychedelic Experience forum.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: CosmicJoke] 2
#23358350 - 06/18/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: I dunno, consider trying it as a quid and meditating as opposed to smoking some strong extract.
+1
Divinorum has had more "usefulness" than anything else for me. Especially when chewing leaves, but also from smoking.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Malkuthian] 1
#23358440 - 06/18/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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My friends wife took salvia every day for two years
Yes really
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23358510 - 06/18/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Salvia is like a box of chocolates
You never know what youre gonna get
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Plain] 1
#23358831 - 06/18/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the consensus is to stay away from strong concentrated stuff. IME salvia extracts and concentrates only have terror and weirdness to offer, and not the good kind either. I'd be much more open to the idea of chewing or smoking leaves, though.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Matai] 1
#23358838 - 06/18/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is it better to smoke or chew the leaves?
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: iamposh] 1
#23359545 - 06/18/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Using a quid has a longer onset and a longer duration, which allows you more time to adjust to being in the saliva realm. This can make the experience a little less confusing.
I like both methods, though. The salvia saliva that builds up in your mouth isn't very pleasant, and I've got a lot of experience with saliva, so I'm used to suddenly being rocketed into a different dimension. For those reasons I prefer smoking.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: healing] 1
#23359615 - 06/19/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had a unique salvia experience I figure I could share here:
Years ago I had some dried leaf from some plants I was growing, I smoked it occasionally but usually just had mild weird effects and would stop. Well one night I was alone and got a nice fire going in the fireplace of the living room at my old house. I was really cozy by the fire smoking some bowls and decided to mix some salvia in.
So I started chiefing these cannabis salvia bowls and after awhile I started meditating sort of, and I had these really beautiful closed eye visuals. It was almost like being taken through a mental art gallery as a ton of random nature scenery and abstract art would pop up in my mind then morph into something else. It was not super intense but still visual enough to leave an impression on me.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh] 1
#23359642 - 06/19/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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mctaveesh said: Yeah, I'm sure DMT is x1000 times better. Just seems like an interesting thing to explore. Not as dangerous as Ketamine or Datura. Interesting that it's a kappa-opioid receptor agonist.
1000 times better? I like salvia better than DMT. I am the guy who values uniqueness and salvia is truly unique, whereas the effects are DMT aren't all that different from high dose psilo.
As for how salvia has helped me, she has helped me release pain I was unknowingly holding onto.
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Interesting. Yeah after trying some different RC Psych's I see that there are a lot of different experiences under the sun to try. I got into tryptamines first but have branched off into exploring newer things. I see what you mean.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh] 1
#23359860 - 06/19/16 04:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Probably more than any other drug, salvia taught me about the fluid nature of reality and that the material world is not real in any meaningful sense, other than in so far as an imitation of reality can be worth experiencing for various reasons.
It also taught me that consciousness alone is sufficient for an infinite range of experiences, which meant that I was able to release my attachment to the physical body and lose my fear of death.
Probably not useful for beginners as it is too intense.
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Well, lets get our facts straight. The Mazatec used salvia...but only when the "the little ones" as Maria Sabina referred to mushrooms, were not available. Since they quidded the leaves or made tea, salvia - to the Mazatec - was considered a weak, and therefore not particularly helpful entheogen.
That having been said, I find salvia (plain leaf only!) interesting once or maybe twice per year. While traditional psychedelics mess with space and vision, salvia seems to mess with TIME and body. Whether it can be employed usefully BY you is going to be personal TO you. I urge you to avoid the concentrates and use commercial PLAIN leaf only. The concentrates (at least 5X and above) hold the potential for far too much dysphoria. No "utility" in that.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: jds] 1
#23360165 - 06/19/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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When doing Salvia, I always felt like I was able to view an entirely parallel dimension, all at the same time as being in this one. My view would often overlap between both, and the trips would be very confusing.
Same here.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Dr. Delban] 1
#23360286 - 06/19/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dr. Delban said:
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jds said:
When doing Salvia, I always felt like I was able to view an entirely parallel dimension, all at the same time as being in this one. My view would often overlap between both, and the trips would be very confusing.
Same here.
This is a very accurate description for me as well. I have written a rather long report with detailed descriptions of exactly that aspect of the salvia trip.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Nature Boy] 1
#23360582 - 06/19/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: Well, lets get our facts straight. The Mazatec used salvia...but only when the "the little ones" as Maria Sabina referred to mushrooms, were not available. Since they quidded the leaves or made tea, salvia - to the Mazatec - was considered a weak, and therefore not particularly helpful entheogen.
That having been said, I find salvia (plain leaf only!) interesting once or maybe twice per year. While traditional psychedelics mess with space and vision, salvia seems to mess with TIME and body. Whether it can be employed usefully BY you is going to be personal TO you. I urge you to avoid the concentrates and use commercial PLAIN leaf only. The concentrates (at least 5X and above) hold the potential for far too much dysphoria. No "utility" in that.
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I enjoy concentrates, even the stronger ones like 60x. I just wouldn't recommend them to a beginner, or most people really. I've never had a negative experience on saliva. It's always been beautiful and euphoric for me, and my first experiences were with 20x. But that is definitely not the norm, and I always urge people to start with small doses of plain leaf and work up from there because there is a very big potential for dysphoria.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Malkuthian] 1
#23360630 - 06/19/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is Sally useful ? Its useful alright I vouch for it ! its an effective pain killer, its an analgesic.
I suffered cronic joint pain for a long period of time, more than a year, (I couldn't do stuff, I couldn't build things, make things, plaster the walls dig the foundations or ley floors or anything). I turned to Salvia as an available and last recourse. So I smoked Salvia as many times a day as I could (could mentally stand doing so I should add), I smoked straight leaf from a bong, I did it many times a day over several weeks, (the more I consumed the better the results when trying to kill pain) but the side effects were horrible.
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Salvia to me unfolds me out of this reality into this red fleshy dimension, showing me that this entire reality is simply one block on an infinite chain of blocks... In this dimension with an infinite amount of these reality block chains going in every direction infinitely. The first time with 80x, 1 toke, I blacked out and woke up there full ego death. The second time like 7 years later, with 5x, 3 times. I stayed grounded, folded out into the same exact dimension, hanging into it, while staying here, just uncontrollably shouting into the red void, out from the machinery of life "Why?!"... It leaves me with more questions about existence, but the "benefit" of it seems to strengthen the feeling I have that there is more to existence than this fleshy material world we know, that there is something beyond "this." I'm not sure what else there is to learn, but I feel drawn to explore more, it just feeeellss beneficial on a level beyond words.
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Do any of you have experience with reliving childhood memories on salvia?
I've had a few salvia trips that took me back to the house I grew up in, and the neighborhood too.
This was useful in the sense that it reminded me how of intensely happy I was at that time.
Strangely enough I had forgotten this somehow, and had been very frustrated in my late 10s and 20s, thinking that my frustrations stemmed from that early childhood.
Salvia showed me something of immense importance, namely that much of my frustration was unfounded. This made it possible for me to let go. All was well, it's no longer necessary to grieve. It was all a mistake, a later construction born from other frustrations, not grounded in fact or essence.
I would say this is as useful as it gets.
Not sure if this is the norm though. And these kind of salvia trips were more exception than rule for me.
Now I don't take it so often anymore, after my horrible bad trip on 10x extract that occurred later.
But maybe I should give it another chance, start again with leaf instead of extract.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz]
#23363662 - 06/20/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Love it!
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz] 1
#23363664 - 06/20/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hanz said: Do any of you have experience with reliving childhood memories on salvia?
I've had a few salvia trips that took me back to the house I grew up in, and the neighborhood too.
This was useful in the sense that it reminded me how of intensely happy I was at that time.
Strangely enough I had forgotten this somehow, and had been very frustrated in my late 10s and 20s, thinking that my frustrations stemmed from that early childhood.
Salvia showed me something of immense importance, namely that much of my frustration was unfounded. This made it possible for me to let go. All was well, it's no longer necessary to grieve. It was all a mistake, a later construction born from other frustrations, not grounded in fact or essence.
I would say this is as useful as it gets.
Not sure if this is the norm though. And these kind of salvia trips were more exception than rule for me.
Now I don't take it so often anymore, after my horrible bad trip on 10x extract that occurred later.
But maybe I should give it another chance, start again with leaf instead of extract.
Love, Hanz.
It's happened to me a number of times, but the most powerful one was the first time I smoked salvia.
I had taken a few hits of 20x and as I fell back onto my bed I was transported to the backyard of my childhood. I was lying in the soft grass with the warm sun on my face and everything felt good. It was one of the most profoundly euphoric salvia experiences I've had.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: healing] 1
#23363863 - 06/20/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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healing said:
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Hanz said: Do any of you have experience with reliving childhood memories on salvia?
I've had a few salvia trips that took me back to the house I grew up in, and the neighborhood too.
This was useful in the sense that it reminded me how of intensely happy I was at that time.
Strangely enough I had forgotten this somehow, and had been very frustrated in my late 10s and 20s, thinking that my frustrations stemmed from that early childhood.
Salvia showed me something of immense importance, namely that much of my frustration was unfounded. This made it possible for me to let go. All was well, it's no longer necessary to grieve. It was all a mistake, a later construction born from other frustrations, not grounded in fact or essence.
I would say this is as useful as it gets.
Not sure if this is the norm though. And these kind of salvia trips were more exception than rule for me.
Now I don't take it so often anymore, after my horrible bad trip on 10x extract that occurred later.
But maybe I should give it another chance, start again with leaf instead of extract.
Love, Hanz.
It's happened to me a number of times, but the most powerful one was the first time I smoked salvia.
I had taken a few hits of 20x and as I fell back onto my bed I was transported to the backyard of my childhood. I was lying in the soft grass with the warm sun on my face and everything felt good. It was one of the most profoundly euphoric salvia experiences I've had.
Very interesting. I am particularly intrigued by the part Quote:
the backyard of my childhood. I was lying in the soft grass with the warm sun on my face and everything felt good.
It's as if seeing things from a low vantage point, lying in the grass, or the height of a small child's head, it's as if this is a recurring theme in salvia. I introduced a friend to salvia, and for her too there was the porch of the house she grew up in, seen from a point more closely to the ground than we would see it now, as full grown adults. Combined with a feeling of overwhelming wellbeing.
Salvia is a mysterious compound. If it didn't have such sharp teeth, I'd be doing it every month or more.
Good to hear that you at least have never had a bad experience, even on strong extracts. Enjoy it, it's not for everyone.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz] 1
#23363916 - 06/20/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a few negative salvia stories about extracts I may as well share here:
Years ago with 2 friends we tried to score some L but it didn't work out. So one friend says he can get deals on salvia extract. So we do to the store and buy some 80x and go back my place to try it out 
The main effects I remember included a bizarre voice almost narrating everything I was going and thinking, I felt my gums move slowly out of the back of my skull and I could feel thees gravitational waves knocking me in a certain direction almost rhythmically, it was really strange.
One of my 2 friends thought he died... He took a hit while wearing headphones and quickly looked bewildered and stood up, spun around in a 360 then fell to my floor. A few minutes later he forbid shaken and says: "guys, I thought I died..."
Apparently he had watched his whole body slowly disappear starting with his finger tips. He also heard strange voices, for example as he was falling the voices were saying: " you are falling down in *****'s room, you are laying on the floor in *****'s room, etc"
Another friend tried some extract as well and had a horrible time. He said salvia spoke to him and explained how wrong it is to support people who take her physical body and strip it with solvents in order to make $ off of nature.
Pretty much just wanted to chime in on the "avoid extracts" stance, make your own if anything.
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Omg, these stories, they all have a similar line. It goes: "...so we decided to buy some salvia. We had no idea what it was. The store sold 20x, 40x, 80x, and 160x, so we thought let's not aim too high and go for the 80x" 
It kind of sounds like: "...so we decided to go buy some fireworks. We came to the store and they had a suitcase with a label saying portable hydrogen bomb. We had no idea what it was, but hey, it couldn't be that bad, could it?"  
Sorry, didn't mean to make fun of you, it's just that those high extracts are so totally out of proportion IME. That, combined with a lack of knowledge leads to some crazy stories. Not all of which are fun.
I'm sure you have heard about the variant where transdimensional aliens tell you your whole life has been sick joke on their part, an unnecessary experiment for their warped entertainment, and that now you know there is nothing else for them to do but permanently lock you up in a cryogenic space-time singularity.
It happens.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz] 1
#23364127 - 06/20/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No problem, its a funny story looking back now as we were all still young kids though sadly it turned my two friends away from salvia and me from store extracts.
I saw some 250x salvia at a headshop in portland that said "pure salvinorin A" on the package it was pretty cheap too and tempted me for science 
The biggest issue with salvia is people don't take it seriously sadly.
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250x, that's high indeed. I vaguely remember a back of the envelope calculation that seemed to indicate that the pure compound would have an even higher concentration, but I could be wrong and anyway, I'd have to do the numbers again, this time myself, and I'm too lazy right now .. weekday, and almost bed time.
But was it a crystalline product, or was it still laid on some kind of plant material?
I've always thought that crystalline salvinorin A would be almost totally useless, because it would be impossible to dose unless you had very sensitive equipment.
People should take it very seriously. It's just the lack of knowledge that results in a lack of respect.
I went in prepared and well read, and was fine. Until that one time but that could have happened to the best of us.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz] 1
#23364208 - 06/20/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wish I had bought some to find out as it was very well packaged, I would guess crystalline if it was really "pure salvinorin A" like advertised.
I could have swore I uploaded a pic but I can't find it, it was just of the packaging and the "250x pure salvinorin A" part anyways
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Totally OT here: Great sig! Space Dandy was hilarious. Some episodes were outright psychedelic.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz]
#23364482 - 06/20/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just finished getting all my favorite tracks from both the ost's on my phone not in a jumbled mess I am really baked and it took me a sad number of tries... But finally it is done, some of them are great songs.
Have you seen serial experiments lain? It is more dark and abstract but is one of the trippiest anime I have seen in awhile, it has a lot of crazy quantum physics based theories around consciousness as well as indicated some conspiracy theories and crazy research from people like John C Lilly.
Highly recommend watching it, it's half as long as space dandy too.
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Aw mannn I love Serial Experiments Lain! I hardly remember anything about it besides the twistedness and cyber-y-ness of it. Haven't seen that in forever
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh]
#23365586 - 06/21/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love extracts, it is my preferred method of ingestion. I've tried loose-leaf salvia and enjoyed the subtle feelings, but when I go down that road I prefer a 40x-60x batch.
There is also an extract available online meant for sublingual use that is good, although the high alcohol content makes it sting when taking it.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh]
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It is fairly twisted but I was surprised how uplifting the ending was even with the somewhat darker theme of the show.
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Haha, sorry OP, I derailed your thread, this now has an anime subplot.
All I remember about Serial was that I liked it a lot. Seen it about 8y ago I think. Dark and alternative. Should rewatch, most likely worth it.
And if we're naming anime in that vein, then you should check out "FLCL", short, only 6 eps, but cool and alternative too.
In a lame attempt to get back on topic... are there any Salvia anime? guess not, but I had to try.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz]
#23366220 - 06/21/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Haha Haha, Hanz xD
Back OT, to me.. Salvia seems to be proof that other dimensions exist. Something really interesting I heard from a shaman friend. He compared DMT with salvia, he said that DMT blasts you up and forward, while Salvia pulls you down and back. I have not triesd DMT yet, but Salvia definitely does bring me down and back, it like flattens me into the complex lower puzzle dimension, like pulls down, turns,and pops me out into this red fleshy dimension. Iunno, salvia feelsweirdman... but it feels so fucking "real"
I love FLCL BTW I will have to check out that experiments lain one, sounds cool, I am a huge fan of John C Lily and float tanks.
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I hav I seen FLCL at least a few dozen times, such a great show.
Been listening to that soundtrack a lot lately too, great stuff.
All the John C Lilly stuff kind of comes out of nowhere towards the end but I still was impressed they did that. It talks a bit about his float tank use as well as work with dolphins I believe and some of his drug use.
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Salvia is useful. I had some great insights and messages emerging out of these trips. No other substance is able to come close to these.
During my last trip I have met an entity, who explained to me that everything that I know that exists is all one thing. And all the living organisms as well as dead objects manufactured by humans are only temporary manifestations of the same one big thing. I suppose this makes sense if you look at the nature of this universe. This entity was a female, and it had an emotionless vibe. She seemed like a ruthless teacher - came to teach me a lesson and not entertain me.
Also what I found useful during other salvia trips was seeing the world from other points of view, e.g. insects, plants, animals, and even dead artificial objects which I merged with.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#23367568 - 06/21/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've never gotten anything out of salvia except uncomfortable, confusing fuckedupedness. I wouldn't even call what I have had psychedelic, it was just plain old crazy intoxication. Complete disarray of reality without the useful lucid mindset of most psychedelics. Even DMT at high doses has been infinitely more lucid than high dose salvia.
Every time I tried a smaller dose it was less disarray and more uncomfortable. Feel sweat squeezing through my pores, feel like I'm being flattened or sucked into a confusing vortex, etc.
I have only done extracts though (except one time before I knew about drugs, smoked leaf and got nothing), so based on the previous replies I'd say that may be my problem. I should try leaf again in a proper setting and with proper prep.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Jeffedelic]
#23368632 - 06/21/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have yet to try the extracts but i love the leaf. Mixing it woth cannabis gave me an enhanced experience.
Always use a bong and make sure to hole it in 30 seconds after you pull the choke.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh]
#23368897 - 06/22/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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My experience with Salvia is that the way it makes you feel physically can be really uncomfortable and even kind've scary in a way, but what it can show you mentally and visually is mindblowing. My first time ever smoking it I broke all the way through, this was because I was told it was very similar to weed and was not told I would be ripped out of my body lol. I had 20x which I packed a fat bowl of in my bong and torched all in one hit. I held it in for about 10 seconds id say, and as soon as I exhaled I instantly felt it.
First thing was a really heavy body high, felt pretty good but it was so intense and foreign that I didn't really know what to think. That only lasted about two seconds before everything went black and I fell forward. This is when I lost touch with reality. Supposedly I threw myself forward and sprawled on the floor.
 I remember being in pitch blackness and feeling like my body was covered in flames, but surprisingly they weren't painful. It's really hard to describe it. Then I came kind've half way back to reality for a short time and my friend was sitting there yelling at me, but his voice sounded miles away. That's when the only part of the experience I really hated happened.
All of a sudden I felt as if my body was covered in giant magnets, and these magnets were trying to magnetize me to everything but also push me away at the same time. Weirdest feeling ever, almost painful. After a little bit of that I was all of a sudden in a completely different dimension. It was a room the shape of my living room, but it was completely empty and the walls were made of this completely transparent vibrating substance that looked like water.
It had these pulsing rectangles moving through it which I quickly realized were the same as the magnets I had felt all over my body (I didn't feel them on my body anymore in this place though, in fact I couldn't even feel that I had a body) Of course since the walls were transparent I could see what was beyond them, but all there was was nothing but empty plain gray surrounding the room infinitely as far as the eye could see. Then I noticed something right in front of me.
It was this cylinder of vibrating moving water like energy the same as the walls, except this had thin strands of very bright red, blue, and green light flowing through it, and at the end it was flowing in the shape of an infinity symbol. I looked down and I realized this weird cylinder of energy was coming out of my chest (I didn't actually have a human type form though, I was a very bright light in the shape of a human) Right after realizing that I snapped instantly back to reality very confused, I had no comprehension of what happened at all. The only thing I knew is that I felt I had been shown something very amazing and that it meant something, but I just didn't know what it was or what I was supposed to take from it.
That is until a few weeks later I dosed some acid at a party with the same person that gave me the Salvia, and a little after the peak we decided wed go back to his house because he had a really trippy movie he wanted to show me. It was Donnie Darko. So we get there put the movie on and start watching it. I actually got really into it, and my acidified brain of course is rapidly pumping realizations and concepts into my brain while watching it, because Donnie Darko is the type of movie that really makes you think.
Then there's this part near the end that comes on. Donnie's family is just going about their normal lives in their house, but there's something strange coming out of their chests that they don't seem to be able to see. Wherever it goes they follow, almost like its pulling them. If it goes around a corner they go around the corner, if it goes up the stairs they go up the stairs etc. This part made the hairs on my neck stand up, it was the same exact thing I had seen coming out of my chest when I was on Salvia except mine had an infinity symbol at the end.
It completely blew my mind. There's no way it could be a coincidence that I have that Salvia experience, and then a few weeks later see something from that experience in a movie that I had never even heard of before going to watch it that night. Needless to say, that instantly became my favorite movie and still is. The things I learned from that movie about what that thing supposedly is, is that supposedly it's your cord of fate, but also your water vessel. According to the philosophy of time travel which is a book in the movie, if you put it into a portal you can travel through time.
So yeah, that's the story of my first Salvia experience. Probably one of the most life changing experiences of my life. I looked at everything differently after that. Salvia made me believe that everything in the universe is made of cosmic energy, also made me believe in fate, and possibly time travel. Mushrooms have made me believe in aliens, gods, reincarnation, souls, and auras haha. Psychedelics are such crazy mindblowing teachers.
I really didn't explain what the vessel/cord of fate thing is supposed to be very well, but I have a picture of what it looks like which i'll post with this. If you're interested in hearing a better explanation you can watch the movie.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh]
#23368926 - 06/22/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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One tip that i'd give if you really want to enjoy Salvia is to never smoke it. Lady Salvia does not enjoy being burned, That right there in itself can possibly set you up for a really hard time. I've never had a completely enjoyable experience smoking Salvia. Better to chew it, make it into a tea, or get yourself some Emerald Essence Sage Goddess. You can still easily slip into a way to overwhelming experience no matter what way you take it though, Salvia is very chaotic and you will never know what's in store for you on the other end of the tunnel. Just remember to always treat the substance with seriousness and respect, never go into a trip unless you're in a positive state of mind, and completely prepare yourself as much as you can for the rush before diving in.
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