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Dr. Delban
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: jds] 1
#23360165 - 06/19/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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jds said:
When doing Salvia, I always felt like I was able to view an entirely parallel dimension, all at the same time as being in this one. My view would often overlap between both, and the trips would be very confusing.
Same here.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Dr. Delban] 1
#23360286 - 06/19/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dr. Delban said:
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jds said:
When doing Salvia, I always felt like I was able to view an entirely parallel dimension, all at the same time as being in this one. My view would often overlap between both, and the trips would be very confusing.
Same here.
This is a very accurate description for me as well. I have written a rather long report with detailed descriptions of exactly that aspect of the salvia trip.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22625613
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Nature Boy] 1
#23360582 - 06/19/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: Well, lets get our facts straight. The Mazatec used salvia...but only when the "the little ones" as Maria Sabina referred to mushrooms, were not available. Since they quidded the leaves or made tea, salvia - to the Mazatec - was considered a weak, and therefore not particularly helpful entheogen.
That having been said, I find salvia (plain leaf only!) interesting once or maybe twice per year. While traditional psychedelics mess with space and vision, salvia seems to mess with TIME and body. Whether it can be employed usefully BY you is going to be personal TO you. I urge you to avoid the concentrates and use commercial PLAIN leaf only. The concentrates (at least 5X and above) hold the potential for far too much dysphoria. No "utility" in that.
N.B.
I enjoy concentrates, even the stronger ones like 60x. I just wouldn't recommend them to a beginner, or most people really. I've never had a negative experience on saliva. It's always been beautiful and euphoric for me, and my first experiences were with 20x. But that is definitely not the norm, and I always urge people to start with small doses of plain leaf and work up from there because there is a very big potential for dysphoria.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Malkuthian] 1
#23360630 - 06/19/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is Sally useful ? Its useful alright I vouch for it ! its an effective pain killer, its an analgesic.
I suffered cronic joint pain for a long period of time, more than a year, (I couldn't do stuff, I couldn't build things, make things, plaster the walls dig the foundations or ley floors or anything). I turned to Salvia as an available and last recourse. So I smoked Salvia as many times a day as I could (could mentally stand doing so I should add), I smoked straight leaf from a bong, I did it many times a day over several weeks, (the more I consumed the better the results when trying to kill pain) but the side effects were horrible.
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Salvia to me unfolds me out of this reality into this red fleshy dimension, showing me that this entire reality is simply one block on an infinite chain of blocks... In this dimension with an infinite amount of these reality block chains going in every direction infinitely. The first time with 80x, 1 toke, I blacked out and woke up there full ego death. The second time like 7 years later, with 5x, 3 times. I stayed grounded, folded out into the same exact dimension, hanging into it, while staying here, just uncontrollably shouting into the red void, out from the machinery of life "Why?!"... It leaves me with more questions about existence, but the "benefit" of it seems to strengthen the feeling I have that there is more to existence than this fleshy material world we know, that there is something beyond "this." I'm not sure what else there is to learn, but I feel drawn to explore more, it just feeeellss beneficial on a level beyond words.
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Do any of you have experience with reliving childhood memories on salvia?
I've had a few salvia trips that took me back to the house I grew up in, and the neighborhood too.
This was useful in the sense that it reminded me how of intensely happy I was at that time.
Strangely enough I had forgotten this somehow, and had been very frustrated in my late 10s and 20s, thinking that my frustrations stemmed from that early childhood.
Salvia showed me something of immense importance, namely that much of my frustration was unfounded. This made it possible for me to let go. All was well, it's no longer necessary to grieve. It was all a mistake, a later construction born from other frustrations, not grounded in fact or essence.
I would say this is as useful as it gets.
Not sure if this is the norm though. And these kind of salvia trips were more exception than rule for me.
Now I don't take it so often anymore, after my horrible bad trip on 10x extract that occurred later.
But maybe I should give it another chance, start again with leaf instead of extract.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz]
#23363662 - 06/20/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Love it!
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz] 1
#23363664 - 06/20/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hanz said: Do any of you have experience with reliving childhood memories on salvia?
I've had a few salvia trips that took me back to the house I grew up in, and the neighborhood too.
This was useful in the sense that it reminded me how of intensely happy I was at that time.
Strangely enough I had forgotten this somehow, and had been very frustrated in my late 10s and 20s, thinking that my frustrations stemmed from that early childhood.
Salvia showed me something of immense importance, namely that much of my frustration was unfounded. This made it possible for me to let go. All was well, it's no longer necessary to grieve. It was all a mistake, a later construction born from other frustrations, not grounded in fact or essence.
I would say this is as useful as it gets.
Not sure if this is the norm though. And these kind of salvia trips were more exception than rule for me.
Now I don't take it so often anymore, after my horrible bad trip on 10x extract that occurred later.
But maybe I should give it another chance, start again with leaf instead of extract.
Love, Hanz.
It's happened to me a number of times, but the most powerful one was the first time I smoked salvia.
I had taken a few hits of 20x and as I fell back onto my bed I was transported to the backyard of my childhood. I was lying in the soft grass with the warm sun on my face and everything felt good. It was one of the most profoundly euphoric salvia experiences I've had.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: healing] 1
#23363863 - 06/20/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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healing said:
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Hanz said: Do any of you have experience with reliving childhood memories on salvia?
I've had a few salvia trips that took me back to the house I grew up in, and the neighborhood too.
This was useful in the sense that it reminded me how of intensely happy I was at that time.
Strangely enough I had forgotten this somehow, and had been very frustrated in my late 10s and 20s, thinking that my frustrations stemmed from that early childhood.
Salvia showed me something of immense importance, namely that much of my frustration was unfounded. This made it possible for me to let go. All was well, it's no longer necessary to grieve. It was all a mistake, a later construction born from other frustrations, not grounded in fact or essence.
I would say this is as useful as it gets.
Not sure if this is the norm though. And these kind of salvia trips were more exception than rule for me.
Now I don't take it so often anymore, after my horrible bad trip on 10x extract that occurred later.
But maybe I should give it another chance, start again with leaf instead of extract.
Love, Hanz.
It's happened to me a number of times, but the most powerful one was the first time I smoked salvia.
I had taken a few hits of 20x and as I fell back onto my bed I was transported to the backyard of my childhood. I was lying in the soft grass with the warm sun on my face and everything felt good. It was one of the most profoundly euphoric salvia experiences I've had.
Very interesting. I am particularly intrigued by the part Quote:
the backyard of my childhood. I was lying in the soft grass with the warm sun on my face and everything felt good.
It's as if seeing things from a low vantage point, lying in the grass, or the height of a small child's head, it's as if this is a recurring theme in salvia. I introduced a friend to salvia, and for her too there was the porch of the house she grew up in, seen from a point more closely to the ground than we would see it now, as full grown adults. Combined with a feeling of overwhelming wellbeing.
Salvia is a mysterious compound. If it didn't have such sharp teeth, I'd be doing it every month or more.
Good to hear that you at least have never had a bad experience, even on strong extracts. Enjoy it, it's not for everyone.
Love, Hanz.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz] 1
#23363916 - 06/20/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a few negative salvia stories about extracts I may as well share here:
Years ago with 2 friends we tried to score some L but it didn't work out. So one friend says he can get deals on salvia extract. So we do to the store and buy some 80x and go back my place to try it out 
The main effects I remember included a bizarre voice almost narrating everything I was going and thinking, I felt my gums move slowly out of the back of my skull and I could feel thees gravitational waves knocking me in a certain direction almost rhythmically, it was really strange.
One of my 2 friends thought he died... He took a hit while wearing headphones and quickly looked bewildered and stood up, spun around in a 360 then fell to my floor. A few minutes later he forbid shaken and says: "guys, I thought I died..."
Apparently he had watched his whole body slowly disappear starting with his finger tips. He also heard strange voices, for example as he was falling the voices were saying: " you are falling down in *****'s room, you are laying on the floor in *****'s room, etc"
Another friend tried some extract as well and had a horrible time. He said salvia spoke to him and explained how wrong it is to support people who take her physical body and strip it with solvents in order to make $ off of nature.
Pretty much just wanted to chime in on the "avoid extracts" stance, make your own if anything.
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Omg, these stories, they all have a similar line. It goes: "...so we decided to buy some salvia. We had no idea what it was. The store sold 20x, 40x, 80x, and 160x, so we thought let's not aim too high and go for the 80x" 
It kind of sounds like: "...so we decided to go buy some fireworks. We came to the store and they had a suitcase with a label saying portable hydrogen bomb. We had no idea what it was, but hey, it couldn't be that bad, could it?"  
Sorry, didn't mean to make fun of you, it's just that those high extracts are so totally out of proportion IME. That, combined with a lack of knowledge leads to some crazy stories. Not all of which are fun.
I'm sure you have heard about the variant where transdimensional aliens tell you your whole life has been sick joke on their part, an unnecessary experiment for their warped entertainment, and that now you know there is nothing else for them to do but permanently lock you up in a cryogenic space-time singularity.
It happens.
Hanz.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz] 1
#23364127 - 06/20/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No problem, its a funny story looking back now as we were all still young kids though sadly it turned my two friends away from salvia and me from store extracts.
I saw some 250x salvia at a headshop in portland that said "pure salvinorin A" on the package it was pretty cheap too and tempted me for science 
The biggest issue with salvia is people don't take it seriously sadly.
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250x, that's high indeed. I vaguely remember a back of the envelope calculation that seemed to indicate that the pure compound would have an even higher concentration, but I could be wrong and anyway, I'd have to do the numbers again, this time myself, and I'm too lazy right now .. weekday, and almost bed time.
But was it a crystalline product, or was it still laid on some kind of plant material?
I've always thought that crystalline salvinorin A would be almost totally useless, because it would be impossible to dose unless you had very sensitive equipment.
People should take it very seriously. It's just the lack of knowledge that results in a lack of respect.
I went in prepared and well read, and was fine. Until that one time but that could have happened to the best of us.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz] 1
#23364208 - 06/20/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wish I had bought some to find out as it was very well packaged, I would guess crystalline if it was really "pure salvinorin A" like advertised.
I could have swore I uploaded a pic but I can't find it, it was just of the packaging and the "250x pure salvinorin A" part anyways
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Totally OT here: Great sig! Space Dandy was hilarious. Some episodes were outright psychedelic.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Hanz]
#23364482 - 06/20/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just finished getting all my favorite tracks from both the ost's on my phone not in a jumbled mess I am really baked and it took me a sad number of tries... But finally it is done, some of them are great songs.
Have you seen serial experiments lain? It is more dark and abstract but is one of the trippiest anime I have seen in awhile, it has a lot of crazy quantum physics based theories around consciousness as well as indicated some conspiracy theories and crazy research from people like John C Lilly.
Highly recommend watching it, it's half as long as space dandy too.
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Aw mannn I love Serial Experiments Lain! I hardly remember anything about it besides the twistedness and cyber-y-ness of it. Haven't seen that in forever
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh]
#23365586 - 06/21/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love extracts, it is my preferred method of ingestion. I've tried loose-leaf salvia and enjoyed the subtle feelings, but when I go down that road I prefer a 40x-60x batch.
There is also an extract available online meant for sublingual use that is good, although the high alcohol content makes it sting when taking it.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh]
#23365589 - 06/21/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is fairly twisted but I was surprised how uplifting the ending was even with the somewhat darker theme of the show.
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Haha, sorry OP, I derailed your thread, this now has an anime subplot.
All I remember about Serial was that I liked it a lot. Seen it about 8y ago I think. Dark and alternative. Should rewatch, most likely worth it.
And if we're naming anime in that vein, then you should check out "FLCL", short, only 6 eps, but cool and alternative too.
In a lame attempt to get back on topic... are there any Salvia anime? guess not, but I had to try.
Hanz.
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