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mctaveesh
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Is Salvia 'useful'?? 1
#23356610 - 06/18/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys. I was wondering if any of you have had good experiences with Salvia divinorum that were positive in a way that's similar to classical Psychedelics. Or at least positive. I understand it acts on the Kappa-Opioid receptors and not the serotonin receptor like classical Psych's.
Have any of you had any good experiences with it that you felt benefitted you in some way?
Anyone have any negative experiences and feel like the drug should be avoided?
Is it sort of like the other non-serotonin-agonizing Hallucinogens like Ketamine or Datura where it causes hallucinations but they are not very "Spiritual" like LSD/Mushrooms/Etc...
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh] 2
#23357205 - 06/18/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's very useful. The mazatec Indians of mexico use it spiritually along with psilocybin mushrooms and morning glories. They say it teaches us how to interpret the visuals we see on the mushrooms and morning glories. This has been true for me. I have never done the extract and never will. The leaf is where the useful experience is. It blatantly shows me that everything physical in my reality is connected to my thoughts and is a reflection of them. Kinetic movement is possible with salvia.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh] 1
#23357231 - 06/18/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dunno, consider trying it as a quid and meditating as opposed to smoking some strong extract.
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Wow. Interesting. Makes me want to try it a little more now.
Why the leaf? Just because it's the natural plant and less strong? So less chance of overdosing?
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh] 1
#23357446 - 06/18/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a friend who always tells me I need to try it because he had a very profound salvia experience that stayed with him
But I would rather have DMT every time
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#23357578 - 06/18/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I went through a period of time where I grew Salvia at home and smoked it or did quids regularly. Despite my continued usage, I never really got much out of it.
The trips were interesting, especially the longer lasting trips you get from doing quids, but they felt spiritually empty.
That is not to say that Salvia is a bad substance. I think it's worth experiencing, mainly because it's such a powerful experience, quite unlike any regular psychedelic. It always felt like a strange mix of dissociatives, psychedelics and deliriants to me.
When doing Salvia, I always felt like I was able to view an entirely parallel dimension, all at the same time as being in this one. My view would often overlap between both, and the trips would be very confusing.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#23357592 - 06/18/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm sure DMT is x1000 times better. Just seems like an interesting thing to explore. Not as dangerous as Ketamine or Datura. Interesting that it's a kappa-opioid receptor agonist.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh] 1
#23357724 - 06/18/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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mctaveesh said: Yeah, I'm sure DMT is x1000 times better. Just seems like an interesting thing to explore. Not as dangerous as Ketamine or Datura. Interesting that it's a kappa-opioid receptor agonist.
What I find even more interesting about Salvia is it seems to have reverse tolerance. The more I did it, the less I needed to trip. And no matter how much I did it, I never had withdrawals or any bad side effect (beyond the trip itself, sometimes).
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? (moved) [Re: mctaveesh] 1
#23358334 - 06/18/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Other Drugs Discussion.
Reason: Salvia related threads belong in The Psychedelic Experience forum.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: CosmicJoke] 2
#23358350 - 06/18/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: I dunno, consider trying it as a quid and meditating as opposed to smoking some strong extract.
+1
Divinorum has had more "usefulness" than anything else for me. Especially when chewing leaves, but also from smoking.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Malkuthian] 1
#23358440 - 06/18/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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My friends wife took salvia every day for two years
Yes really
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23358510 - 06/18/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Salvia is like a box of chocolates
You never know what youre gonna get
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Plain] 1
#23358831 - 06/18/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the consensus is to stay away from strong concentrated stuff. IME salvia extracts and concentrates only have terror and weirdness to offer, and not the good kind either. I'd be much more open to the idea of chewing or smoking leaves, though.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: Matai] 1
#23358838 - 06/18/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is it better to smoke or chew the leaves?
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: iamposh] 1
#23359545 - 06/18/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Using a quid has a longer onset and a longer duration, which allows you more time to adjust to being in the saliva realm. This can make the experience a little less confusing.
I like both methods, though. The salvia saliva that builds up in your mouth isn't very pleasant, and I've got a lot of experience with saliva, so I'm used to suddenly being rocketed into a different dimension. For those reasons I prefer smoking.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: healing] 1
#23359615 - 06/19/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had a unique salvia experience I figure I could share here:
Years ago I had some dried leaf from some plants I was growing, I smoked it occasionally but usually just had mild weird effects and would stop. Well one night I was alone and got a nice fire going in the fireplace of the living room at my old house. I was really cozy by the fire smoking some bowls and decided to mix some salvia in.
So I started chiefing these cannabis salvia bowls and after awhile I started meditating sort of, and I had these really beautiful closed eye visuals. It was almost like being taken through a mental art gallery as a ton of random nature scenery and abstract art would pop up in my mind then morph into something else. It was not super intense but still visual enough to leave an impression on me.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh] 1
#23359642 - 06/19/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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mctaveesh said: Yeah, I'm sure DMT is x1000 times better. Just seems like an interesting thing to explore. Not as dangerous as Ketamine or Datura. Interesting that it's a kappa-opioid receptor agonist.
1000 times better? I like salvia better than DMT. I am the guy who values uniqueness and salvia is truly unique, whereas the effects are DMT aren't all that different from high dose psilo.
As for how salvia has helped me, she has helped me release pain I was unknowingly holding onto.
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mctaveesh
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Interesting. Yeah after trying some different RC Psych's I see that there are a lot of different experiences under the sun to try. I got into tryptamines first but have branched off into exploring newer things. I see what you mean.
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Re: Is Salvia 'useful'?? [Re: mctaveesh] 1
#23359860 - 06/19/16 04:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Probably more than any other drug, salvia taught me about the fluid nature of reality and that the material world is not real in any meaningful sense, other than in so far as an imitation of reality can be worth experiencing for various reasons.
It also taught me that consciousness alone is sufficient for an infinite range of experiences, which meant that I was able to release my attachment to the physical body and lose my fear of death.
Probably not useful for beginners as it is too intense.
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Well, lets get our facts straight. The Mazatec used salvia...but only when the "the little ones" as Maria Sabina referred to mushrooms, were not available. Since they quidded the leaves or made tea, salvia - to the Mazatec - was considered a weak, and therefore not particularly helpful entheogen.
That having been said, I find salvia (plain leaf only!) interesting once or maybe twice per year. While traditional psychedelics mess with space and vision, salvia seems to mess with TIME and body. Whether it can be employed usefully BY you is going to be personal TO you. I urge you to avoid the concentrates and use commercial PLAIN leaf only. The concentrates (at least 5X and above) hold the potential for far too much dysphoria. No "utility" in that.
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