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GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):)
    #23355774 - 06/17/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hello!!

I am going to grow for my very first time and I cannot find anything or any forum that seems to help. I AM SO CONFUSED!!

I understand I need some mycelium jars, which I was planning on buying from sporestore for the first time. Then I need to inoculate with spore syringes of whatever strain I choose (if you have a preference on this too, I'd appreciate it - its my first time tripping). Now this is where I am confused.
Do I need have to buy more syringes that are unused to extract? or can I just use the same spore syringes that I bought?

After I extract, I would inoculate a substrate jar(I was planning on buying Midwest Grow Kits substrate jars). After this step what do I do??? This is the waiting game right? And then to fruit them, what would I keep them in/how would I transfer?

I'm sorry if these answers are somewhere in a forum, which they probably are. I just can't seem to find any!! So I figured I would ask. If there is another forum or thread with these answers that you know of, I would greatly appreciate a link. Thank you so much!

I'm just a confused girl trying to get some mushrooms. I appreciate any help at all.


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: btexter]
    #23355879 - 06/17/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Stop.

Don't get a growkit or jars from anyone.

Just make them yourself.
mushroomvideos.com
It's very easy.

learn the basics

I don't know what you mean by extracting. But you can use your syringe to inoculate the jars. Use as little solution per hole as you can.

The answers are all there, you just have to know how to search.


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: dankington]
    #23355938 - 06/17/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome man, You have come to the right place for information. There is a ton of it on this website. You have went as far making an account and posting that's a good start.
Now learn how to navigate the forms and use the search function.
ANY question you have can mostly likely have been answered. But if you have some specific circumstance never hesitate to start a discussion. Because hey that's whats its all about.

With all that being said. If you would like some personal advice on how to start. This is what I would do.

1. Learn about LC(Liquid Culture). Buy some spores. Makes some LC.
2. Learn how basic monotubs work and grain Prep.
3. Buy a PC(Pressure Cooker) and Jars.
4. You should have everything and know everything you need to get what you want. Any questions you can PM me.


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: dankington]
    #23355970 - 06/17/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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dankington said:
Stop.

Don't get a growkit or jars from anyone.

Just make them yourself.
mushroomvideos.com
It's very easy.

learn the basics

I don't know what you mean by extracting. But you can use your syringe to inoculate the jars. Use as little solution per hole as you can.

The answers are all there, you just have to know how to search.



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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: dankington]
    #23355996 - 06/17/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Getting started is a big task and finding solid related info in post can be hard too. The good news is growing isn't all that hard. When you're looking for info look to TEKs in the search engine. Good place to start would be BRF TEKs this is one of the most basic first steps in this hobby. Once you have that figured out look up SGFC TEKs this will be for what you did with the BRF cakes. Then when you get that nailed down and you want more advanced look up g2g TEKs and damion5050 TEKs. Also I highly recommend down loading Roger Rabbits video lets grow mushrooms this is an excellent visual representation of beginner and intermediate skills. Hope this helped and good luck.


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Burning Warrior]
    #23356187 - 06/17/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Burning Warrior said:
Awesome man, You have come to the right place for information. There is a ton of it on this website. You have went as far making an account and posting that's a good start.
Now learn how to navigate the forms and use the search function.
ANY question you have can mostly likely have been answered. But if you have some specific circumstance never hesitate to start a discussion. Because hey that's whats its all about.

With all that being said. If you would like some personal advice on how to start. This is what I would do.

1. Learn about LC(Liquid Culture). Buy some spores. Makes some LC.
2. Learn how basic monotubs work and grain Prep.
3. Buy a PC(Pressure Cooker) and Jars.
4. You should have everything and know everything you need to get what you want. Any questions you can PM me.








Liquid culture is probably the last thing you should start with, and it should *never* be inoculated with spores- it should only be inoculated with a wedge from a clean agar culture.
Using a drop of spores and innoculating grain masters for G2G would be the better option (if you insist on doing grains without learning how to culture on agar).


Anyways,  OP- the style you begin to grow with is dependent on if you are willing to buy a pressure cooker or not.
I definetly sugguest you do. But if you dont, you will have to start with PF tek :thumbup:


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: mushpunx]
    #23356193 - 06/17/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mushpunx said:
Quote:

Burning Warrior said:
Awesome man, You have come to the right place for information. There is a ton of it on this website. You have went as far making an account and posting that's a good start.
Now learn how to navigate the forms and use the search function.
ANY question you have can mostly likely have been answered. But if you have some specific circumstance never hesitate to start a discussion. Because hey that's whats its all about.

With all that being said. If you would like some personal advice on how to start. This is what I would do.

1. Learn about LC(Liquid Culture). Buy some spores. Makes some LC.
2. Learn how basic monotubs work and grain Prep.
3. Buy a PC(Pressure Cooker) and Jars.
4. You should have everything and know everything you need to get what you want. Any questions you can PM me.








Liquid culture is probably the last thing you should start with, and it should *never* be inoculated with spores- it should only be inoculated with a wedge from a clean agar culture.
Using a drop of spores and innoculating grain masters for G2G would be the better option (if you insist on doing grains without learning how to culture on agar).


Anyways,  OP- the style you begin to grow with is dependent on if you are willing to buy a pressure cooker or not.
I definetly sugguest you do. But if you dont, you will have to start with PF tek :thumbup:




Thats the only way I have ever grown and its worked wonderfully :shrug:


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Burning Warrior]
    #23356201 - 06/17/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Burning Warrior said:
Quote:

mushpunx said:
Quote:

Burning Warrior said:
Awesome man, You have come to the right place for information. There is a ton of it on this website. You have went as far making an account and posting that's a good start.
Now learn how to navigate the forms and use the search function.
ANY question you have can mostly likely have been answered. But if you have some specific circumstance never hesitate to start a discussion. Because hey that's whats its all about.

With all that being said. If you would like some personal advice on how to start. This is what I would do.

1. Learn about LC(Liquid Culture). Buy some spores. Makes some LC.
2. Learn how basic monotubs work and grain Prep.
3. Buy a PC(Pressure Cooker) and Jars.
4. You should have everything and know everything you need to get what you want. Any questions you can PM me.








Liquid culture is probably the last thing you should start with, and it should *never* be inoculated with spores- it should only be inoculated with a wedge from a clean agar culture.
Using a drop of spores and innoculating grain masters for G2G would be the better option (if you insist on doing grains without learning how to culture on agar).


Anyways,  OP- the style you begin to grow with is dependent on if you are willing to buy a pressure cooker or not.
I definetly sugguest you do. But if you dont, you will have to start with PF tek :thumbup:




Thats the only way I have ever grown and its worked wonderfully :shrug:




*Your mileage may vary

good for you but that doesn't really fly around here, as we have much better methods for beginners


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23356363 - 06/17/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Spores to LC is a potential shitshow.

Only thing spores should reasonably be used to inoculate are PF cakes and agar.  Everything else benefits too greatly from a 100% clean culture to ignore.


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23356382 - 06/18/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23356418 - 06/18/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

BRF TEK .... Look it up and follow it to a T. It's that simple


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Burning Warrior] * 1
    #23356747 - 06/18/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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1. Learn about LC(Liquid Culture). Buy some spores. Makes some LC.





:justno:

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Burning Warrior said:

1. Learn about LC(Liquid Culture) Agar. Buy some spores. Makes some LC pasty plates.





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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23357084 - 06/18/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

Burning Warrior said:

1. Learn about LC(Liquid Culture). Buy some spores. Makes some LC.





:justno:

Quote:

Burning Warrior said:

1. Learn about LC(Liquid Culture) Agar. Buy some spores. Makes some LC pasty plates.





:billymaythumbup:



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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23357618 - 06/18/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Seems people don't like my ideas no worries! Well, there not really mine, I learned everything from this website lol:heytherebadboy:
But there are plenty of ways to get what your after buddy! Listen to everyone else I guess :shrug:


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Burning Warrior]
    #23357627 - 06/18/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Well, there not really mine, I learned everything from this website lol:heytherebadboy:




I bet the dates on the pages you learned it from are ancient though. :shrug:


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23357637 - 06/18/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, In all fairness. I learned everything I did years ago, like 2010 or so. And even then some of those Teks were quite old. Could not imagine now.


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Burning Warrior]
    #23381594 - 06/25/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you for all your help. So I just bought 4 syringes of spores and as soon as they come in I'm picking up some substrates. I would just inoculate the substrates with the spores and then I leave them in the jars in a dark, room temperature area until I move them to an incubator for fruiting? Sorry if that's a dumb question.... I am so dang confused and I want it to be perfect!!

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: btexter]
    #23381666 - 06/25/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You don't have to leave them in the dark, there is no need for an incubator if your temps are above 65F, Fruiting definitely doesn't require different temps than colonization....I have no idea what you mean by "picking up some substrates" but if you don't clarify there's a good chance you could be wasting 4 syringes of spores.


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23388146 - 06/27/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'm buying substrates to inoculate with the spores. But I am not using all the spores at once.

So basically what you're saying is that I don't have to move them at all after I inoculate the substrates?


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: btexter]
    #23388413 - 06/27/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Any reason you can't make said substrates yourself?  There aren't any substrates that you can inoculate with spores and then fruit directly other than BRF cakes.  If you're purchasing a substrate then that could mean you're buying pasteurized manure, or grain, or something else.  Pre-sterilized/pasteurized substrates have bad news and low success rate written all over them though, even if you did happen to get enough grain and enough manure/coir substrate to do a grow, it would cost near as much as a pressure cooker.

I'd recommend a few steps back and some more reading before you spend money unnecessarily and discourage yourself with the results.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: btexter]
    #23388729 - 06/27/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This tutorial is what I followed step by step for my first grow. It makes everything very clear and idiot proof.

Sorry if you're not supposed to link outside shroomery I will edit if I have to


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    #23388733 - 06/27/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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This tutorial is what I followed step by step for my first grow. It makes everything very clear and idiot proof.

Sorry if you're not supposed to link outside shroomery I will edit if I have to




:no2:

Drip shield... colonizing in the dark, fishtank bubbler, bowl of desiccant with a screen, terrible outdated crap, do NOT follow that under any circumstances.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613#11585613
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23388791 - 06/27/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry, I meant for starting out... Things to buy, preparation of the sub, etc is the same as it is to this day. Plus they give you measurements of BRF and verm. (Which when reading PF tek on this site they dont make that clear.)

But yeah don't go building a terrarium with a drip shield


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23388814 - 06/27/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Plus they give you measurements of BRF and verm. (Which when reading PF tek on this site they dont make that clear.)




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The basic recipe for 5 PF jars is this 2 parts vermiculite 1 part water and 1 part BRF (additionally you can add 1 tablespoon of gypsum for 5 jars)

In a bowl add the 2 cups of vermiculite (and gypsum if you use it) now add the 1 cup of water, mix really well. Now add the 1 cup of Brown rice flour (you can make your own by grinding brow rice in a coffee grinder) Mix this really really well. Now load this into the 5 canning jar equally, making sure not to compress the mixture in the jars you want it nice and airy. You will be leaving a 1/2 inch space at the tops of the jars for the dry vermiculite layer.




Are you quite sure?

Look, it was the first tek I read too, 9 years ago when I first took interest, but it was bad then, let alone now.  :shrug:


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23388830 - 06/27/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Plus they give you measurements of BRF and verm. (Which when reading PF tek on this site they dont make that clear.)




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The basic recipe for 5 PF jars is this 2 parts vermiculite 1 part water and 1 part BRF (additionally you can add 1 tablespoon of gypsum for 5 jars)

In a bowl add the 2 cups of vermiculite (and gypsum if you use it) now add the 1 cup of water, mix really well. Now add the 1 cup of Brown rice flour (you can make your own by grinding brow rice in a coffee grinder) Mix this really really well. Now load this into the 5 canning jar equally, making sure not to compress the mixture in the jars you want it nice and airy. You will be leaving a 1/2 inch space at the tops of the jars for the dry vermiculite layer.




Are you quite sure?

Look, it was the first tek I read too, 10 years ago, but it was bad then, let alone now.  :shrug:




:whatwhatwhat:

Damn, looks like I'm switching my BRF ratios! Thanks for pointing that out!


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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23390149 - 06/28/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Any reason you can't make said substrates yourself?  There aren't any substrates that you can inoculate with spores and then fruit directly other than BRF cakes.  If you're purchasing a substrate then that could mean you're buying pasteurized manure, or grain, or something else.  Pre-sterilized/pasteurized substrates have bad news and low success rate written all over them though, even if you did happen to get enough grain and enough manure/coir substrate to do a grow, it would cost near as much as a pressure cooker.

I'd recommend a few steps back and some more reading before you spend money unnecessarily and discourage yourself with the results.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595/fpart/1/vc/1




just this post is enough here. OP; :whathesaid:. doing it right the first time saves you a lot of trouble and discouragement. plus, you learn more.. and learning is 'supposed' to always be a big part of it right?

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Re: GROW HELP!! SO CONFUSED! PLEASE HELP :):):) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23395383 - 06/29/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Great. I'll check those out right now. Thank you!


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