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If someone attacks you - should you fight back?
#23355400 - 06/17/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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This question stems from a mistake of mine
The first time I broke reality - no longer recognized anything as real - saw it all as my creation - as the laws of physics and associations and recognition of reality ceased to be and my mind took over in an absolute creative state that made things that have no association to our understanding of reality
In this state I hit my brother. It wasn't an aggressive act - it was to see if I could finally touch a creation. There are a lot of problems with that.
I told myself if I were to continue exploring this path - I need to be safe. I need to perfect myself to the core.
I told myself that if anyone were to ever attack me - I would have to do nothing, because I could be "hallucinating" and hurt someone who isn't actually trying to hurt me.
QUESTION
But let's also take the question from a more general standpoint, what does it say about you if you fight back? If you don't?
Is one who refuses to fight back - perhaps realizing that pain is an "illusion" as is the rest of everything, or out of basic respect for life.
Is there an instance where one SHOULD fight back? Can that be healthy?
"You never fall if you never fight" - Eyedeas
I've found much of the internal conflict within most people including myself are resulting from fighting what's within
So what does it mean to fight whats outside? (this is assuming you have done nothing to provoke the other person)
For someone pursuing "insanity," is the idea of not even defending yourself healthy?
PERSONAL (not needed to respond)
A little bit about my growth in this - I still need a bit more respect for reality - but I think I've gotten over attacking someone After some changing, I had a dream where a roomate was in my room, I was tripping sack, and he was really pissed. He got on my bed about to attack me, rushing at me. I silently sat and took a deep breath and he disappeared.
This is helpful if for example I falsely (or correctly) perceive aggression and amplify it into a physical attack. If my false image of that person attacks me, I might stay still, and they might dissipate
Or the hit might connect, and I might feel "pain," which is where the real worry occurs
If I experience this pain - and the person isn't attacking me, I will be much more likely to try to defend myself, although I did once have a friend try to attack me and I just backed up as he hit me saying "I wont fight you"
And I ended up bruised but not hurt.
I think if you dont provoke anyone, and dont fight back, the chances of actual damage are low.
But the last time I broke reality - I went too far. For the first time since my first break, I heard people saying things they wern't saying, personifying the vibe I felt in the room. I was looking at a screen playing a game.
One roomate was talking about fighting another. But I heard what he was saying as directed at me, that he wanted to go outside and fight.
I kept saying I dont want to, but him+everyone else became very negative figures to me. Closest thing I've had to a bad trip I guess. Eventually I thought they were all trying to stop me/distract me from anything I wanted to do, like it was their duty, a test to get me to take what I want with all of my being.
And I started to get angry. Not uncontrollable, but it was there.
And then I agreed to the fight. (apparently everyone thought I was sane and fine and I was contributing to the conversation)
Then I started to hear everyone in the room mockingly saying "EVEN if someone attacks me, I wont fight back!" - quoting my previous goal
It was my mind telling me that I'm losing control.
I ended up doing some stupid things that night that I wont get into, my friend told me I had a visitor outside and I went outside and there was no one there. Then did some stupid shit as I didn't recognize it as real and starting living out the movie Akira. Whole bunch of mistakes were made that told me I have a lot of it wrong, and that I'm not as far down the path as I thought I was. That some things I thought I fixed were still there.
So I just wanted to pose the question,
What are your thoughts about defending yourself physically?
Edited by glimpee (06/17/16 04:55 PM)
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee] 1
#23356225 - 06/17/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Excellent ...Question ...
My way of reasoning is based a whole lot around the golden rule of;
" Do not do anything to anyone else, that you would not want anyone else to do to you"
So my first reaction is in a physical confrontation is to be kind and considerate of another souls moment of insanity.
If that fails, than I simply see the situation as an experience to see what a good beating might offer....in the sense of teaching my pupil "cause and reaction" It's kind of a physics thing you see
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
#23357180 - 06/18/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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wtf do you mean 'pursuing insanity'?
Yes you should defend yourself, and all the better if you know how to.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
#23358085 - 06/18/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: yeah]
#23358898 - 06/18/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah said: wtf do you mean 'pursuing insanity'?
Yes you should defend yourself, and all the better if you know how to.
Fear is something that causes insanity.
Anger, fear, in my opinion is the same thing. So I can appreciate and understand that when someone is upset, angry, afraid, it is not always possible to reason with them while they are in this period of insanity.
Having to defend yourself from a physical attack is something which is in our best interests for our survival. However, while defending one self, in my mind, the defender should only use whatever means he has to do save lives without necessarily trying to do undo harm to another.
Kind of like, if a woman smacks me in the face because she is angry, does not mean that I need punch her back and harm her. The first goal is to try and defuse the situation and/or run or walk away.
In fact, a wise one runs from unnecessary confrontation of a physical nature. 
Only a fool defends a bruised ego.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
#23358927 - 06/18/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, it is a problem if you are delusional..
If you wont fight back in real life people will destroy you mate.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: Vitalux]
#23360101 - 06/19/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Vitalux said: the defender should only use whatever means he has to do save lives without necessarily trying to do undo harm to another.
yeah I agree, that's how you have class
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: yeah]
#23360140 - 06/19/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah said:
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Vitalux said: the defender should only use whatever means he has to do save lives without necessarily trying to do undo harm to another.
yeah I agree, that's how you have class
Fuck that, you should completely and utterly break him/her, so they can never do harm to anyone again.
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Well, I'm with Pavlov and classical conditioning. If it hurts when I do that, I won't want to do it again. So yeah, make the fecker realise it's a bad idea to attack you, because they get hurt. You get to keep your self esteem, which your attacker attempted to deprive you of. Then just move on.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
#23360643 - 06/19/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fight back? I long for the day. People are a bunch of pussies nowadays, there's all these assault laws and such. But really, I long for the day. The last time I was attacked I backed off. Now, not so much.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
#23362104 - 06/19/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It says that we all will reap what we has sown, and so, whatever you put out there will come back onto you seven folds. All of my life that I have seen no one that has not gotten away with murder. I have seen elderly that has been done wrong, but then I learn about their past and found out that they weren't always so sweet all of their life.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: Douglas Howard]
#23363112 - 06/20/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Douglas Howard said: It says that we all will reap what we has sown, and so, whatever you put out there will come back onto you seven folds. All of my life that I have seen no one that has not gotten away with murder. I have seen elderly that has been done wrong, but then I learn about their past and found out that they weren't always so sweet all of their life.
That at least doesnt seem fair - if someone changes they deserve the recognition of that, not to answer for the crimes of their past. To me that feels like its against what life is truely about
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
#23363139 - 06/20/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its called "reasonable force".
Meaning you may only use enough force to stop and act of violence.
Example, if you punch me in the face, am I allowed to punch you in the face? No, I must only use enough force, to stop you from punching me. Anymore and its deemed "unreasonable force". Imo this stands true on a karmic level also.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: CosmicAdventurer]
#23363204 - 06/20/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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CosmicAdventurer said: Its called "reasonable force".
Meaning you may only use enough force to stop and act of violence.
Example, if you punch me in the face, am I allowed to punch you in the face? No, I must only use enough force, to stop you from punching me. Anymore and its deemed "unreasonable force". Imo this stands true on a karmic level also.
But what if your vision of reality isnt true to the agreed view and you percieve someone is attacking when they arent, erasonable force then becomes assult
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: Vitalux]
#23365092 - 06/20/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Vitalux said:
Fear is something that causes insanity.
Fear can be rational and functional. For example the fear we feel when a hungry tiger chases us.
But you are right, fear can often be irrational. For example, anxiety is often based in irrational thinking.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
#23374822 - 06/23/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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the ideal is to neutralize the attack with a minimum of force and emotion and evaluate the consequences of your actions
that is the theory
every actual instance is different and perhaps unpredictable
verbal and emotional attack is different from physical, ... and legal attack is again different there are also, financial, viral, bacterial, & toxic chemical attack, hormonal imbalances, & old age, as well as perhaps one's own negative thinking or attitude, etc. so no one specific piece of advice can cover all aspects
a metaphor of life is as a constant battle, is it not?
Edited by laughingdog (06/23/16 07:13 PM)
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: laughingdog]
#23374868 - 06/23/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes, that is exactly true, laughing. aikido is very much of that nature, with precisely that goal - to end conflict, with no violence or as close to 0% harm done, etc. . . which can even be done before it starts, of course. but if one finds oneself in any situation, the perfect action is usually stillness. i wouldn't say it's from practice, but a thorough understanding.. but - whichever way, if one reaches it, that's very important -- necessary, rather.
also - if there is a situation -- Mirra Alfassa sort of put it this way - there is a physical effect to immobility ( stillness, she talks for a while how it's like. . . well, haha i can't at all do her words . . but lovely -- yes. . . stillness with -- somehow motion..
anyway she makes the point and this i do remember, that basically stillness can become impenetrable.
How to get to world peace? I guess, share that with the most effective ones - the young - the next generation - and in the key spots, where it will blossom to leaders for the future.
anyway, forget all words - practice patience, stillness, the Tao - etc., best of luck and peace
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: graceful dragon]
#23375275 - 06/23/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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when someone is attacking you, you will fight back (without knowing/controlling it), or you will sustain injury.
it's a defense mechanism, or you can freeze and "go inside your head" (and be physically harmed (alternate (non-advisable defense mechanism)
> i am very non-violent, but when provoked, fight, as i am sure many people here would do to...
...pretending to do martial arts / child-like speculation will not help you much; it is a nasty buisness.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: laughingdog]
#23375753 - 06/24/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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. . . a metaphor of life is as a constant battle, is it not?
Interesting points. Yes, we see life as a huge battle.
Particularity obvious when we speak of the weather . . .
"The heat wave has hit with massive force and killed 14"
"The wildfire left a brutal path of destruction"
"The monstrous wave slammed into the beach community wreaking havoc."
We give weather a personality, as if it's an attacking enemy.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23377369 - 06/24/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes
"i like the rain" ["but i also like the sun"] "rain drops feel nice on my head, when i am hot"
etc
really warmongering the weather is,
what a great metaphor
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: stupididiot]
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Well as a great metaphor..so called winning is explained in survival..or the name of the game IS survival..so that your street smarts take into effect..is indeed a rare delicacy..and an attempt to test your self..could prove to be fatal..so you have to be careful..you will understand at that minute..whether you are ready and therefore succeeding in rites in Freemasonry..and/or unready..and therefore you would run away or try to deflect the amount of energy that is going against you..there are a number of martial arts that are useful..like wrist locks..and knee breaks..but the common nutrient..is to know who is the more skilled attacker..and that it self will be proven that moment!
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: Vitalux]
#23380279 - 06/25/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah said: wtf do you mean 'pursuing insanity'?
Yes you should defend yourself, and all the better if you know how to.
Fear is something that causes insanity.
Anger, fear, in my opinion is the same thing. So I can appreciate and understand that when someone is upset, angry, afraid, it is not always possible to reason with them while they are in this period of insanity.
Having to defend yourself from a physical attack is something which is in our best interests for our survival. However, while defending one self, in my mind, the defender should only use whatever means he has to do save lives without necessarily trying to do undo harm to another.
Kind of like, if a woman smacks me in the face because she is angry, does not mean that I need punch her back and harm her. The first goal is to try and defuse the situation and/or run or walk away.
In fact, a wise one runs from unnecessary confrontation of a physical nature. 
Only a fool defends a bruised ego. 
What you're saying about anger and fear here I totally agree with. My experience with psychedelics tells me that anger and fear also stem from a place of misunderstanding and confusion. Which easily leads to frustration in some people which may result quickly in physical outbursts in some of those people.
Luckily there are people on the opposite side of the spectrum who seek understanding before giving into frustration (lizard brain). These people are less likely to be violent and defuse a situation.
Finding myself in a physical fight with someone would be a very unlikely situation for me to be in based on my nature. Not to say that it couldn't happen, but I never worry about these kind of things because there are so many tools in the box that I have practiced using to get myself out of these types of confrontations.
Now to answer your question. If I ever happened to be in a physical fight, depending on the severity of the situation I would have to decide what my intentions would be. Most cases I will have to just stop the person from causing my harm (pinning someone down till they settle down and are ready to talk). BUT if I decided that my life was at risk (very extreme situation) I wouldn't hesitate to do what needs to be done. Obviously best case scenario would for both parties to come out alive and learn from each other. But in the end, my life is the most important thing I have to protect. Plain and simple
Just have faith in yourself to be able to know the difference if the time ever did come around. Thinking first is a lesson we all have trouble with sometimes. Thinking before we speak (say something we will regret or cant take back in a heated situation) Thinking before we act (making stupid decisions out of spite which hurt all parties involved) Shit happens, but life is a constant learning experience. We will be learning till the day we die and all we can do is working on being the best person we can
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
#23380304 - 06/25/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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glimpee said:
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Douglas Howard said: It says that we all will reap what we has sown, and so, whatever you put out there will come back onto you seven folds. All of my life that I have seen no one that has not gotten away with murder. I have seen elderly that has been done wrong, but then I learn about their past and found out that they weren't always so sweet all of their life.
That at least doesnt seem fair - if someone changes they deserve the recognition of that, not to answer for the crimes of their past. To me that feels like its against what life is truely about
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CosmicAdventurer said: Its called "reasonable force".
Meaning you may only use enough force to stop and act of violence.
Example, if you punch me in the face, am I allowed to punch you in the face? No, I must only use enough force, to stop you from punching me. Anymore and its deemed "unreasonable force". Imo this stands true on a karmic level also.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: ComebackKid]
#23393199 - 06/29/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Question reeks of karma to me. Should you fight? Depends on your philosophy I guess. Would you fight depends on temperament. On a philosophical level I would not. It's just reaction asking for more reaction that can escalate into something violent. So I would choose to walk away if that's possible. If not I'll run then.
To give in to a temper tantrum and react with violence is too easy and often has undesirable consequences. I think its best to step back from my emotions and ask myself why? Is it that important that I need to feed my self importance at the cost of my health and physical well being. Emotions can change easily from pleasure to pain. Broken bodies take a lot longer to heal as a consequence.
So I think its a good idea to try and feel why the other person is upset. Often its plain and obvious but my pride or self importance blinds me to it. I'd like to evolve somehow in this life. To live in reaction mode produces stress and is not a harmonious way to live with fellow humans.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: dibawahsana]
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We are givers and receivers of each other's karma. With karma the general course of action is that first you pay, then you receive. You will reap what you sow but what you sow is what you reaped before.
I personally prefer to stasy out of the cycles of violence but I will absolutely defend myself and those around me with great violence if I felt I had to. I'm willing to "go there" for the greater good.
Take the Orlando Gay Bar Shooting. If I could have bashed that guy's head in with a fire extinguisher (to name a very personal act of improvised violence, violence doesnt get much more personal than bashing someones head in) I absolutely would have, for the greater good.
I would go completely ultraviolence on the guy and would optimistically save dozens of lives with it. I consider that worth the karma.
It turned out later an online friend of mine got shot, but not killed, in that massacre.
I will ABSOLUTELY fight back if cornered and they push on. I avoid fighting to the utmnost but if they insist there comes a point where my switch flips from total avoidance to total commitment. I'm too fat to run away. If I fight I have to injure them such that they wont run after me. A mule kick to the knee would likely be my opening bid.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
#23403057 - 07/02/16 04:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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glimpee said:
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CosmicAdventurer said: Its called "reasonable force".
Meaning you may only use enough force to stop and act of violence.
Example, if you punch me in the face, am I allowed to punch you in the face? No, I must only use enough force, to stop you from punching me. Anymore and its deemed "unreasonable force". Imo this stands true on a karmic level also.
But what if your vision of reality isnt true to the agreed view and you percieve someone is attacking when they arent, erasonable force then becomes assult
Well what your asking is "should an insane man be punished if his perspective is wrong and harm comes due to this ?".
In a court of law, most "insane" people don't get charged with murder. It becomes manslaughter. In a lot of cases after being through the mental health system, after 6 monthly assessment's one can be released back into the public again.
Its a good question as I've had this very situation happen to me. Very close 2 home and I'm torn on it.
Personally I think a person like that shouldn't be in public, but I also don't think they should be punished for something they don't understand.
Its a very hard question and in our society, in a lot of cases, we lettem back on the streets.
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#23404980 - 07/02/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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A few paraphrases from my martial arts teacher:
"Kill the aggression, not the aggressor."
"I study martial arts so that I can protect the person I'm fighting."
"The height of sensitivity is to prevent physical violence from emerging."
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
#23404998 - 07/02/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I can leave or deescalate a situation then I will, or if I can prevent a situation from occurring in the first place, then I will. Having said that, I've been in fights when I was younger and much stupider.
In a real fight, you either have a weapon or improvise a weapon or you lose. This means essentially you either nearly kill the other person or you nearly get killed. People are incredibly resilient in real life. Boxing matches used to go for more than 13 rounds. Think about whether or not you could last that long with someone punching you in the face. The moment someone grabs a weapon, the other person goes down and maybe dies.
Fights should be avoided. Running is a better and safer strategy than fighting (provided that you're reasonably fast).
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
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I would fuck them up because I'm really good at putting myself into other people's shoes and I would never just attack someone for no reason.
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Asante
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23410174 - 07/04/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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BEING GOOD is NOT ENOUGH, you must FIGHT EVIL to be truly GOOD.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: Asante]
#23410197 - 07/04/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mean it's not my mission to be good it's just my mission to fuck up anyone who attacks random people for no reason.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: Asante]
#23410299 - 07/04/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think that having the mindset of seeking out evil to fight might itself be a cause of attracting the appearance/experience of evil into your reality everything we experience externally is somehow related to our inner state, imo (or serves some higher purpose one way or another) which is to say - this life is a benevolent unfolding
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: deff]
#23410435 - 07/04/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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deff said: i think that having the mindset of seeking out evil to fight might itself be a cause of attracting the appearance/experience of evil into your reality everything we experience externally is somehow related to our inner state, imo (or serves some higher purpose one way or another) which is to say - this life is a benevolent unfolding 
Yes true
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23411842 - 07/04/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i herd ninja beats karate
ALL DAY LONG.
also thaikwondoh is no match for ninja.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
#23417686 - 07/06/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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When we are verbally or physically attacked, its.because when an ego is present we want others to feel the same pain that we feel. If you were to fight back, youre allowing your ego to manifest itself further, and pride is a typical result of standing your ground. When you are abused, and do not express pain, the attacker no longer possesses the idea that you feel his or her pain. The logical thing to do, is to avoid situations where conflicts will arise.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23418165 - 07/06/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: I mean it's not my mission to be good it's just my mission to fuck up anyone who attacks random people for no reason.
Do you discriminate between violence with a "reason" and random violence?
I see no difference.
BTW . . .
Why do we call certain violence, "hate crimes"?
If I shoot and kill driver because he cut me off on the road, how's that different than if I killed him because he was Asian?
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23418894 - 07/06/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes I see the difference because from what I have learned context is one of the most important things in the world.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23418988 - 07/07/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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We can not fight fire with fire if we wish to extinguish the flames. Pride breeds foolishness
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23431043 - 07/11/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said:
Yes I see the difference because from what I have learned context is one of the most important things in the world.
Isn't all rage based murder rooted in hatred? Why dost thou discriminate?
Has anyone known an angry killing not created by hatred?
Hatred is the motivation for all rage based violence.
(Including suicide, which is rooted in self-hatred)
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23431125 - 07/11/16 02:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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AuroraBorealis88 said:
Yes I see the difference because from what I have learned context is one of the most important things in the world.
Isn't all rage based murder rooted in hatred? (Including suicide, which is rooted in self-hatred)
Fear is the base, in my opinion, and it is the single element that inhibits/impedes the souls progression of growth.
As long as we are afraid, we can't really get past this block.
Perhaps the door to heaven needs no gatekeeper, because we are too afraid to love unconditionally which is the requirement to enter.
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: Vitalux]
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Well I think its good to meditate if you can before you begin to determine an outcome for someone where you may have to inflict harm..if you can get out the situation without attacking..and still have peace of mind..and respect for yourself..then you can probably not need to fight back..but on the other hand..you might be conditioned to help others and yourself in a way that will necessarily assert your dominance in a physical level...so the choice is yours...basically rest assured that you will make the correct choice which ever it may be..
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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: Vitalux]
#23433330 - 07/11/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vitalux said: " Do not do anything to anyone else, that you would not want anyone else to do to you" 
O dear, if I pick roses, I TRUST them that they will have needles, and love them for all they are.
If I hurt someone by accident or within a rage swing, I TRUST that person to defend themself. This is a kind of feedback upon mine own doing.
So yes, if someone hurts me, I'll let that person know. If someone is beating me or manifest the intention of hurting me, then yes I'll communication my disapprobation through POW POW if needed. This person trusts me to take care of myself
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