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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23377369 - 06/24/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

yes

"i like the rain" ["but i also like the sun"]
"rain drops feel nice on my head, when i am hot"

etc

really warmongering the weather is,

what a great metaphor


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: stupididiot]
    #23377852 - 06/24/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well as a great metaphor..so called winning is explained in survival..or the name of the game IS survival..so that your street smarts take into effect..is indeed a rare delicacy..and an attempt to test your self..could prove to be fatal..so you have to be careful..you will understand at that minute..whether you are ready and therefore succeeding in rites in Freemasonry..and/or unready..and therefore you would run away or try to deflect the amount of energy that is going against you..there are a number of martial arts that are useful..like wrist locks..and knee breaks..but the common nutrient..is to know who is the more skilled attacker..and that it self will be proven that moment!


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: Vitalux]
    #23380279 - 06/25/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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yeah said:
wtf do you mean 'pursuing insanity'?

Yes you should defend yourself, and all the better if you know how to.




Fear is something that causes insanity.

Anger, fear, in my opinion is the same thing. So I can appreciate and understand that when someone is upset, angry, afraid, it is not always possible to reason with them while they are in this period of insanity.

Having to defend yourself from a physical attack is something which is in our best interests for our survival.
However, while defending one self, in my mind, the defender should only use whatever means he has to do save lives without necessarily trying to do undo harm to another.

Kind of like, if a woman smacks me in the face because she is angry, does not mean that I need punch her back and harm her. The first goal is to try and defuse the situation and/or run or walk away.

In fact, a wise one runs from unnecessary confrontation of a physical nature. :pipesmoke:

Only a fool defends a bruised  ego. :shrug:





What you're saying about anger and fear here I totally agree with. My experience with psychedelics tells me that anger and fear also stem from a place of misunderstanding and confusion. Which easily leads to frustration in some people which may result quickly in physical outbursts in some of those people.

Luckily there are people on the opposite side of the spectrum who seek understanding before giving into frustration (lizard brain). These people are less likely to be violent and defuse a situation.

Finding myself in a physical fight with someone would be a very unlikely situation for me to be in based on my nature. Not to say that it couldn't happen, but I never worry about these kind of things because there are so many tools in the box that I have practiced using to get myself out of these types of confrontations.

Now to answer your question. If I ever happened to be in a physical fight, depending on the severity of the situation I would have to decide what my intentions would be. Most cases I will have to just stop the person from causing my harm (pinning someone down till they settle down and are ready to talk). BUT if I decided that my life was at risk (very extreme situation) I wouldn't hesitate to do what needs to be done. Obviously best case scenario would for both parties to come out alive and learn from each other. But in the end, my life is the most important thing I have to protect. Plain and simple

Just have faith in yourself to be able to know the difference if the time ever did come around.
Thinking first is a lesson we all have trouble with sometimes. Thinking before we speak (say something we will regret or cant take back in a heated situation)
Thinking before we act (making stupid decisions out of spite which hurt all parties involved)
Shit happens, but life is a constant learning experience. We will be learning till the day we die and all we can do is working on being the best person we can


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
    #23380304 - 06/25/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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It says that we all will reap what we has sown, and so, whatever you put out there will come back onto you seven folds. All of my life that I have seen no one that has not gotten away with murder. I have seen elderly that has been done wrong, but then I learn about their past and found out that they weren't always so sweet all of their life.




That at least doesnt seem fair - if someone changes they deserve the recognition of that, not to answer for the crimes of their past. To me that feels like its against what life is truely about



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Its called "reasonable force".

Meaning you may only use enough force to stop and act of violence.

Example, if you punch me in the face, am I allowed to punch you in the face?
No, I must only use enough force, to stop you from punching me. Anymore and its deemed "unreasonable force". Imo this stands true on a karmic level also.





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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23393199 - 06/29/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Question reeks of karma to me. Should you fight? Depends on your philosophy I guess. Would you fight depends on temperament. On a philosophical level I would not. It's just reaction asking for more reaction that can escalate into something violent. So I would choose to walk away if that's possible. If not I'll run then.:smile:

To give in to a temper tantrum and react with violence is too easy and often has undesirable consequences. I think its best to step back from my emotions and ask myself why? Is it that important that I need to feed my self importance at the cost of my health and physical well being. Emotions can change easily from pleasure to pain. Broken bodies take a lot longer to heal as a consequence.

So I think its a good idea to try and feel why the other person is upset. Often its plain and obvious but my pride or self importance blinds me to it. I'd like to evolve somehow in this life. To live in reaction mode produces stress and is not a harmonious way to live with fellow humans.


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: Heyowana]
    #23399725 - 07/01/16 01:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If I am weak I fight back. If I am strong I forgive.


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: dibawahsana]
    #23403040 - 07/02/16 03:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We are givers and receivers of each other's karma. With karma the general course of action is that first you pay, then you receive. You will reap what you sow but what you sow is what you reaped before.

I personally prefer to stasy out of the cycles of violence but I will absolutely defend myself and those around me with great violence if I felt I had to. I'm willing to "go there" for the greater good.

Take the Orlando Gay Bar Shooting. If I could have bashed that guy's head in with a fire extinguisher (to name a very personal act of improvised violence, violence doesnt get much more personal than bashing someones head in) I absolutely would have, for the greater good.

I would go completely ultraviolence on the guy and would optimistically save dozens of lives with it. I consider that worth the karma.

It turned out later an online friend of mine got shot, but not killed, in that massacre.

I will ABSOLUTELY fight back if cornered and they push on. I avoid fighting to the utmnost but if they insist there comes a point where my switch flips from total avoidance to total commitment. I'm too fat to run away. If I fight I have to injure them such that they wont run after me. A mule kick to the knee would likely be my opening bid.


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
    #23403057 - 07/02/16 04:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Its called "reasonable force".

Meaning you may only use enough force to stop and act of violence.

Example, if you punch me in the face, am I allowed to punch you in the face?
No, I must only use enough force, to stop you from punching me. Anymore and its deemed "unreasonable force". Imo this stands true on a karmic level also.




But what if your vision of reality isnt true to the agreed view and you percieve someone is attacking when they arent, erasonable force then becomes assult




Well what your asking is "should an insane man be punished if his perspective is wrong and harm comes due to this ?".

In a court of law, most "insane" people don't get charged with murder. It becomes manslaughter. In a lot of cases after being through the mental health system, after 6 monthly assessment's one can be released back into the public again.

Its a good question as I've had this very situation happen to me.
Very close 2 home and I'm torn on it.

Personally I think a person like that shouldn't be in public, but I also don't think they should be punished for something they don't understand.

Its a very hard question and in our society, in a lot of cases, we lettem back on the streets.


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: CosmicAdventurer] * 1
    #23404980 - 07/02/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A few paraphrases from my martial arts teacher:

"Kill the aggression, not the aggressor."

"I study martial arts so that I can protect the person I'm fighting."

"The height of sensitivity is to prevent physical violence from emerging."


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
    #23404998 - 07/02/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If I can leave or deescalate a situation then I will, or if I can prevent a situation from occurring in the first place, then I will. Having said that, I've been in fights when I was younger and much stupider.

In a real fight, you either have a weapon or improvise a weapon or you lose. This means essentially you either nearly kill the other person or you nearly get killed. People are incredibly resilient in real life. Boxing matches used to go for more than 13 rounds. Think about whether or not you could last that long with someone punching you in the face. The moment someone grabs a weapon, the other person goes down and maybe dies.

Fights should be avoided. Running is a better and safer strategy than fighting (provided that you're reasonably fast).


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
    #23409999 - 07/04/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I would fuck them up because I'm really good at putting myself into other people's shoes and I would never just attack someone for no reason.


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23410174 - 07/04/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

BEING GOOD is NOT ENOUGH, you must FIGHT EVIL to be truly GOOD.




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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: Asante]
    #23410197 - 07/04/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I mean it's not my mission to be good it's just my mission to fuck up anyone who attacks random people for no reason.


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: Asante]
    #23410299 - 07/04/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i think that having the mindset of seeking out evil to fight might itself be a cause of attracting the appearance/experience of evil into your reality :smile: everything we experience externally is somehow related to our inner state, imo (or serves some higher purpose one way or another) :smile: which is to say - this life is a benevolent unfolding :smile:


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: deff]
    #23410435 - 07/04/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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i think that having the mindset of seeking out evil to fight might itself be a cause of attracting the appearance/experience of evil into your reality :smile: everything we experience externally is somehow related to our inner state, imo (or serves some higher purpose one way or another) :smile: which is to say - this life is a benevolent unfolding :smile:




Yes true


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23411842 - 07/04/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i herd ninja beats karate

ALL DAY LONG.

also thaikwondoh is no match for ninja.


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: glimpee]
    #23417686 - 07/06/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

When we are verbally or physically attacked, its.because when an ego is present we want others to feel the same pain that we feel. If you were to fight back, youre allowing your ego to manifest itself further, and pride is a typical result of standing your ground. When you are abused, and do not express pain, the attacker no longer possesses the idea that you feel his or her pain. The logical thing to do, is to avoid situations where conflicts will arise.


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23418165 - 07/06/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I mean it's not my mission to be good it's just my mission to fuck up anyone who attacks random people for no reason.




Do you discriminate between violence with a "reason" and random violence?

I see no difference.

BTW . . .

Why do we call certain violence, "hate crimes"?

If I shoot and kill driver because he cut me off on the road, how's that different than if I killed him because he was Asian?


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23418894 - 07/06/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes I see the difference because from what I have learned context is one of the most important things in the world.


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Re: If someone attacks you - should you fight back? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23418988 - 07/07/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We can not fight fire with fire if we wish to extinguish the flames. Pride breeds foolishness


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