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Offline3Beatles9
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Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer?
    #23354637 - 06/17/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hi friends,

I would consider myself the avid psychonaut, I've tripped on shrooms a few times, salvia twice, LSD 8 times and I've dosed myself as high as 450ug and had some marvelous experiences. I don't feel like I've lost the magic at all. I love tripping.

But I honestly feel like I've learned all that I can from psychedelics. My trips now are quite beautiful, but I feel like I get very little out of them. Has anyone else hit this wall? My first few trips were so eye-opening and made me appreciate life so much more, but the day after I trip now I just think "Well that was fucking amazing." but nothing more than that.

Just wondering if anyone else feels the same. I'm giving up psychedelics for now, will revisit probably in a year or so to see if anything has changed. The only drug that still offers me post-trip benefits is MDMA so I will continue taking that every 6 weeks or so.

Any thoughts on the matter is much appreciated, cheers guys!


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: 3Beatles9]
    #23354682 - 06/17/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

no way youve learned all psychs have to offer, especially with that rather limited amount of tripping you describe. sometimes you can learn all you can assimilate for the time being and then its time to take a break. but there is always more to learn. I remember a native american peyoter once said there was no limit to the amount of knowledge you could learn from peyote and you could never learn it all even if you attended a peyote ceremony every week for the rest of your life.

i myself have hit the wall with cannabis several times. cannabis is my most used psychedelic and after years of heavy many times ive come to a point where it does nothing but make me feel burnt out and depressed and i dont learn anything new. but i find if i take a few months off and then smoke again, it come at me with new insights still.

so in short, you may have simply learned all that is relevant for you right now (and pursuing the depths of psychedelic knowledge might not even be relevant for you in this lifetime, some people get what they need after 2 or 3 trips and then go on to apply it in their explorations of other areas of life. not everyone is meant to be lifetime tripper).

you can also use psychedelics to help you learn stuff you are studying. for instance i am studying tarot cards and i find psychedelics help me undertand the energy of the cards more deeply.


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23354712 - 06/17/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

So am I just a genius or something already? Because when I trip, I don't learn anything that I don't already think while I'm sober.


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: Eminence]
    #23354761 - 06/17/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Psychedelics have helped show me the Way but it's been up to me to wander it.


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #23354779 - 06/17/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I've trippee hundreds of times the amount you've described and I still learn new things, if you think that you know everything they can offer than you are not only wrong but have a really long way to go. One day they will get you, and you will a very humble puddle somewhere waiting for reality to recreate itself for you


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23354986 - 06/17/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Perhaps Ayahuasca would be more up your alley?

There's always more to learn, especially if you try new things while on a Psychedelic.

Like i've said before, and others have said as well, there's always something to learn because there's so much to learn. If you feel like you've gotten the message you needed to hear, you can hang up the phone, but that doesn't mean there's never going to be another message that you need to hear. So basically, if you don't feel like you're learning anything else, either try new things while on the Psychedelic (for different kinds of experiences), or simply step away for awhile, do your thing, live your life, and go back if you feel the call/need to.

Also, each Psychedelic/Entheogen is unique in what it offers/teaches.

You can use these tools all throughout your life if you wanted to, which i actually plan on. Might go without them for awhile, but that doesn't mean i'll never use them again.


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23354995 - 06/17/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

In different stages of life psychedelics offer different things. As you well know they provide an opportunity to look inside and then process this stuff when you come back out.

If there's nothing more to see right now there's no need to look. You can keep pushing it to get strange revelations, but these will be mixed with a large part of delusion. You're probably not after that. It's healthy to know when you feel you should stop and unhealthy not to listen to your inner voice. It shows some maturity that you realise this.

No one knows when you'll next feel the need to take lsd again, not even you, so don't try to plan it. It could be 3 months, could be a year, could even be 3 years. But when it comes it will be magical and just like the first time again.

edit: Just to answer your final question. Yeah, I totally get where you're coming from and I've felt the same lots of times. I've been using psychedelics for more than 20 years and most of that time has been periods where I'm having breaks. But it's oh so nice to come back to the light. :sunny:


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Edited by Northerner (06/17/16 02:47 PM)


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: Northerner]
    #23355432 - 06/17/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Psychedelics don't have anything to offer on their own besides the jarring effect of being forced to look at yourself, your surroundings and your situation in a different way. If those things haven't changed, or if you're extremely open and comfortable in your life then it's easy to hit a plateau of what they can do for you. If you're feeling this way then I say do exactly as you plan to do and take a little break. If the day comes up that you really want to trip again then go for it, just don't force it. Often times, and this includes me, people are so blown away by the first few experiences that they try and force the issue and keep going when there is no real need. It will stay beautiful for the most part, but can end in a very hollow experience that can often times be more confusing than helpful.

My over indulgence in psychedelics lead me to having lots of very confusing and uncomfortable trips. This wasn't until I had tripped over a hundred times within a couple years, but eventually it was like I had ruined it for myself. I ended up just stopping for probably 5 years and have only recently come back thanks to cultivation and LSD becoming so readily available. The last few doses I took were amazing and reaffirmed my love of the experience.

tldr don't push it if you're feeling like you're not getting what you want from the experience. Give it some time and come back when the time is good.


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: Northerner]
    #23355435 - 06/17/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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In different stages of life psychedelics offer different things. As you well know they provide an opportunity to look inside and then process this stuff when you come back out.

If there's nothing more to see right now there's no need to look. You can keep pushing it to get strange revelations, but these will be mixed with a large part of delusion. You're probably not after that. It's healthy to know when you feel you should stop and unhealthy not to listen to your inner voice. It shows some maturity that you realise this.

No one knows when you'll next feel the need to take lsd again, not even you, so don't try to plan it. It could be 3 months, could be a year, could even be 3 years. But when it comes it will be magical and just like the first time again.

edit: Just to answer your final question. Yeah, I totally get where you're coming from and I've felt the same lots of times. I've been using psychedelics for more than 20 years and most of that time has been periods where I'm having breaks. But it's oh so nice to come back to the light. :sunny:



I expected to see more "just do more! don't stop! there's always more to learn!" posts, and am very happy to see this reply as I completely and 100% agree. The strange revelations mixed with delusion is real, and not a place that it seems he is trying to go and I'm glad you put it out there for him that way.

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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: 3Beatles9]
    #23355812 - 06/17/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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3Beatles9 said:
but I feel like I get very little out of them. Has anyone else hit this wall?




Ya with LSD but never shrooms. LSD is actually infamous for doing this to a lot of people. To me it sounds like you're generalizing psychedelics too much based primarily on your LSD experiences.
To me it sounds like you're really only applying your LSD experiences to everything else and drawing conclusions based off this while at the same time not realizing that this is common for LSD, not common for Mushrooms, Ayahuasca or DMT though.

I'm sure if you ate mushrooms and experimented in the 3 to 5 gram range you would learn plenty more. To me you sound like you need to do mushrooms a few more times. I never really "got it" until at least 10 to 12 trips later.
Acid for me got repetitive though. Mushrooms however always have something new to show me.


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: Eminence]
    #23355826 - 06/17/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Eminence said:
when I trip, I don't learn anything that I don't already think while I'm sober.




That's kind of bizarre man


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23355911 - 06/17/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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3Beatles9 said:
but I feel like I get very little out of them. Has anyone else hit this wall?




Ya with LSD but never shrooms. LSD is actually infamous for doing this to a lot of people. To me it sounds like you're generalizing psychedelics too much based primarily on your LSD experiences.
To me it sounds like you're really only applying your LSD experiences to everything else and drawing conclusions based off this while at the same time not realizing that this is common for LSD, not common for Mushrooms, Ayahuasca or DMT though.

I'm sure if you ate mushrooms and experimented in the 3 to 5 gram range you would learn plenty more. To me you sound like you need to do mushrooms a few more times. I never really "got it" until at least 10 to 12 trips later.
Acid for me got repetitive though. Mushrooms however always have something new to show me.





I agree with you on this because if you read the OP, he says he's done salvia two times. How anyone can learn everything salvia has to teach in two uses is beyond me.


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23356053 - 06/17/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Eminence said:
when I trip, I don't learn anything that I don't already think while I'm sober.




That's kind of bizarre man




Nah, just means I'm a shaman by nature


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: Eminence]
    #23356071 - 06/17/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Ah didn't consider that


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: 3Beatles9]
    #23356148 - 06/17/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

OP breaks are always good but reconsider your intentions.  With mushrooms if you go in with no expectations and humble approach they open all the doors.  And it matters greatly if your dosage is appropriate (for you that is) - this takes some dialing in, actually more trials then you've said you've done altogether. :shrug:

So hey, I'm underwhelmed - but that happens a lot, it's not personal. :Awemush:


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Re: Feel like I've learned all psyches have to offer? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #23356214 - 06/17/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Psychedelics helped pull me out of a HUGE depression hole. I was done with life, i didn't give a fuck at all! Ive been down ever since I can remember, its a way of life for me. Psychs helped me get a different point of view on life, i got my HUGE bills paid off and am doing well 3 years later. I like to trip 2-4 times a month, atleast a weak in between.


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