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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23353884 - 06/17/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

The problem is our shit culture not the guns

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23353911 - 06/17/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Still want to show every liberal kid how easy it is to buy a gun with no paperwork or registration. Half the felons I know own guns and they can't buy one no matter what they do. You don't even need a straw buyer, there's just that many for sale black market already




I'm a liberal and wouldn't be shocked at all. There are Millions of guns in America why do you think we'd be shocked?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Citizen X]
    #23353918 - 06/17/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Most are. Naive too

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #23353922 - 06/17/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Also why Trump may win, liberals are completely annoying to everyone, including people without political affiliation.

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23353928 - 06/17/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Depending on state law I believe private sales don't require background checks so the need for black market doesn't apply for most Americans. I could be wrong though I'm not up to date on the issue?

I agree criminals don't follow law and with the amount of guns in circulation we're not just going to 'take them off the street'


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23353933 - 06/17/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I hear that a lot on this site. Sorry you find liberals annoying


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Citizen X]
    #23353978 - 06/17/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Every time I go to peoples house they're the only ones that bring up politics and also have a pompous attitude about it. Hence so many of the people I get along with are alt right and they love Trump. They don't want to hear he is basically Hillary Clinton with less blood on his hands but Idk it would be funny to me at least.

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23354001 - 06/17/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I try to just stay out of it as much as possible. Arguing about politics doesn't do me much good. I was saying the other day that we actually agree on quite a bit but get hung up on some bullshit.

It's an election year to boot so that adds to it. We all want what's best for our country. I think Washington plays a part, all we hear is bickering back and forth. I know I'm ready for some real leadership and some real problem solving. Time for games is up


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23354194 - 06/17/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Burglers dont memorise every single house that has a gun.





Yeah but certain areas are known for high rates of gun ownership which is a deterrent for violent crime. Would you rather try to rob someone in Hawaii (9% household gun ownership) or Alabama (55% household gun ownership)?

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Those stats are still bullshit US is ontop for most of it,

There also old and the international one even says its unreliable.





Did you even read the report? I know it's 12 pages but it's mostly just charts and tables. The US comes in third for overall homicide but that's pretty much it. Australia is higher than the US in 4/6 categories. In terms of reliability is says:
" because there are significant problems of comparability, Civitas has selected only those nations that belong to the OECD. Its members are more likely to have reliable national statistics agencies and to be accustomed to standardising information."
Unless you have a better way of comparing each country complaining about it is pretty useless.

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Armed robbery includes knives. Homicide also does not mean gun homicides.





There is no reason to separate the two. Whether its with a gun or a knife, either way you're getting robbed. Once again, if your only goal is to reduce gun crime than gun control is the way to go but most Americans are willing to take the statistically unlikely chance of being shot in favor of a safer society.

The funny thing is that you're advocating for less freedom when more freedom would be preferable. 80% of gun homicides in the US are gang related so legalizing drugs would have a huge impact on it.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Citizen X]
    #23355029 - 06/17/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah I try to just stay out of it as much as possible. Arguing about politics doesn't do me much good. I was saying the other day that we actually agree on quite a bit but get hung up on some bullshit.

It's an election year to boot so that adds to it. We all want what's best for our country. I think Washington plays a part, all we hear is bickering back and forth. I know I'm ready for some real leadership and some real problem solving. Time for games is up



Well the game is voting.

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23355673 - 06/17/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I'm going to pass this year and go with what the majority want.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23356935 - 06/18/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

gotdamn this forum gets more sub-par w each passing day.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23356939 - 06/18/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/08/who-killed-five-cyclists-in-kalamazoo.html

This asshole decided he wanted to kill a group of people riding their bikes one day, he also had plenty of anti-social rants online.




are you really goin to argue, taking the side of "cars are more dangerous than guns"?

you've got to be kidding right?

some real mental acrobatics required there




Mental acrobats only required for people who don't like facts...



I've even use the most liberal source I could find to prove cars kill more than cars, but I wonder, how many of these auto deaths are suicide?





your facts don't take into account the idea of auto accidents being a high percentage "accidents" and much less so around guns, being that they are tools for the purpose of harm.

yes you can look at two numbers and see that one is higher but other than that simple facade your logic stops there.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay] * 1
    #23356943 - 06/18/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

So at the end of the day what y'all going to do with people like me who buy stolen handguns from nigs in Chicago?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon] * 2
    #23356954 - 06/18/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Again you can limit guns for  "insert group here" and after this you will increase demand for "insert group here"  since after this they will no longer be able to acquire said items.

We know the effectiveness and the wiliness to abide by laws is no where near 100% and with each restriction you are just growing unregulated markets that do not do background checks

But please answer my question as I've answered yours

Given the horrible track record of governments, from lying about weapons of mass destruction to start unjust wars or lying about natural healing plants, do you really trust them over yourself for your well being????





you pigeon-hole this into an argument about trusting the gov't but, you know what I don't trust the fuckin imbeciles around me first. I don't trust ignorant hard headed dumbasses with free access to semi-auto high capacity tools of murder first.

Again taking a look at the rules and changing the requirements for purchase is not prohibition no matter how you try and serve it up.

would you say there is an alcohol prohibition since the late 80's? you know when they changed the rules nationally from 18 to 21 for buying alcohol. cause in effect that's how you're applying this to guns.

step out of your own echo chamber one day guy


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
    #23356975 - 06/18/16 06:50 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Our drinking age being 21 is definitely prohibition and definitely relates to more than a few of our countries problems with kids and alcohol.

The drinking age should be 0

Then again it teaches kids about shop lifting and straw buyers in their teen years so maybe the 21 rule is good

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #23357030 - 06/18/16 07:14 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

it is, by definition, a form of prohibition. but that removes the usage presented here in this thread and the applied meaning of all or nothing.

as shown above in your post, there is good and bad w buying restrictions, the tough part is finding the balance.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay] * 1
    #23357034 - 06/18/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Politicians are the very last people that should make those decisions, but we vote to have people educated in rhetoric make decisions that should be made by people with experience.

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #23357036 - 06/18/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm no fan of representative democracy either.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
    #23357045 - 06/18/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

That's good

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