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Rainbowmedicine


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Shamanism and psilocybin
#23353606 - 06/17/16 04:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi all, This is my first posting, apart from a trip report, as I have just joined the forum. I am a shamanic practitioner, trained along the lines of Harner. But, what led me along this road, was a heroic dose of liberty caps, 34 years ago. It has altered and opened my thinking, feeling and perception, and I remain grateful for that. I have had some amazing and profound experiences with shamanic techniques, and hope I have been able to be of some benefit to others in that role. But I have observed in some shamanic folk, a kind of westernised, bloodless model of shamanism, that lacks the passion, which I feel is key to transcendent experiences. I find that there exists a new establishment in shamanism, which is in a sense, just another manifestation of the unreconstituted western mindset. Personally, I think my own approach is informed by the intelligence of the psilocybin, the great teacher. Does anyone else share this thinking with me? I am sure there are plenty of folk who do, as I read Terrence McKenna expressing similar thoughts. It has been many years since I took psilocybin, apart from some fly agaric a couple of years ago, but I feel called to re-immerse myself in the experience, in an altruistic manner, and also for self-improvement. I am fairly terrified by the idea, yet my understanding is, that I won't be taking them to have fun, or a good time, but to be corrected, realigned, and set free again. If the teacher can sometimes be painfully harsh, I know that it is always truthful and, in the long run, beneficial. I'm open to a good old chat with anyone, around any of the ideas I have expressed here. I'm in London, England, and would be happy to connect with others. I am reaching out to a new community here, in a sphere where others may be sympatico. Love you all, Mick x
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Most shamans consume psychedelics how do you practice without altering your everyday perception.
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Rainbowmedicine


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There are many ways to alter your state of consciousness other than psychedelics, including inducing theta-brainwave states through drumming, dancing, using sound. I have accessed communication with the same beings, both using mushrooms and by just drumming. However, I wonder whether the initial opening of the self to those spaces, is best done with mushrooms. I think, perhaps, the mushrooms flick an on switch, which remains permanently on.
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why cannot people have fun with psychedelics? Why must 'heroic doses' and arduous experience, and being terrified, be promoted as being superior to a more fun kind of ecstatic experience?
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Welcome Rainbowmedicine!
There are some shamans in our midst in various degrees of commitment and advancement.
Its here. 
I'm a Nganga, central African tradition, I learn from the spirits directly.
To be honest "shamanic practitioner" is a bit of a itchy word for me as most by-the-book shamans I know identify as such, as opposed to by-the-heart shamans.
Prepare for some opposition on these boards if you identify yourself as a shaman 
There are so called shamans who deny that entheogens are any good for anybody. I call them Egomancers, they have big egos and super authority but they'd piss and shit themselves crying for mercy in the foetus position if they ever were to accidentally ingest something that won't let them get away with their ego construct. They dismiss entheogens but are really afraid that the big bad wolf will blow their playhouse down.
Then there in Shamans who proudly proclaim that they "don't work with spirits". Say wot? They can join the horseless rider and the dentist who doesn't do anything with teeth.
"Shamanism" is a very popular word nowadays and people use it for anything. A lady who gives shamanic reiki sessions, I heard the other day.
"Shamanism" is often used as an excuse for entheogens use, but rather than visiting the spirit world they sit in front of the TV watching the matrix.
Psilo is in my life since 1993 and has been one of my best allies. The only tattoo I ever considered was 2 liberty caps crossed with 93 under it.
Theres much to be said for entheogenic inspired shamanism.
We actually have a specific shamanism forum called PSSS: Psychosis, Synchronicities, Shamanism & the Supernatural forum
Low traffic but some high quality posts there.
Welcome!
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Re: Shamanism and psilocybin [Re: Asante]
#23354799 - 06/17/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ditto on the Shamanic opposition:
Word Origin : from Russian shaman, from Tungusian ̆saman, from Pali samana Buddhist monk, ultimately from Sanskrit śrama religious exercise
Perhaps all Shamans in training are involved in a religious exertion, like it or not.
Edited by Buster_Brown (06/17/16 01:33 PM)
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hola and welcome!!!
good to meet another shaman - shaman, medicine man, peace -- healer -
green man haha. . . i just saw . . .. hehe, they make it 'Green man ' heh.
okay - i am not crazy. lol
welcome! !
Along with zzripz i am not favor of any heroic dose type of thing. . . gradual and step - by - step . . .
is the spirit's rise, for me. . .
peace and so glad to meet you . . light and sun on your path
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may you know more and more that you are one with the Light, and as you travel, may you enjoy and offer a guiding hand to those who wish it -- and may you enjoy your work on this journey of divine propensities. . . the spirit's rise. . the sky is open.
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Re: Shamanism and psilocybin [Re: Asante]
#23355148 - 06/17/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Asante said:
"Shamanism" is often used as an excuse for entheogens use, but rather than visiting the spirit world they sit in front of the TV watching the matrix.
You mean that's not how you do shamanism?
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Re: Shamanism and psilocybin [Re: yeah]
#23355375 - 06/17/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I share plenty of how I do it, feel free to loo into kit and draw your own conclusions.
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Hi Mick,
I'm also very interested in what you talk about. I love mushrooms but they're only part of it for me (although a big part). For me, meditation is a big thing for getting into a mind state from where I can see beyond.
I also smoke a lot of weed, which is not unusual for someone who lives in New Zealand.
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Re: Shamanism and psilocybin [Re: viktor]
#23356335 - 06/17/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, I am overwhelmed by your welcome, really feeling it. Great minds. Nganga, I get you. I like your humour, a lot. Lately, I keep meeting people who inspire me to say: 'Gosh, you sound like me!' As for the terminology, the shamanic practitioner thing - I feel that I will be entitled to label myself a shaman in about 50,000 years, when my training is complete. Other people say it of me, and it's nice, but I think of myself as someone who does shamanic stuff. I have little patience for the prissy, wee cowrin', timorous beasties who proudly proclaim themselves to be 'shamanic this and shamanic that', and I too am uncomfortable with the whole shamanic practitioner thing. I use it to describe my job, so that potential clients have a rough idea of what they are getting, is all. It may morph into other words one day, when I find a more apt label. Like yourselves, I'm just your average, infinite, multi-incarnated being, really. Good to meet you, fellas. x
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Psychotechnician. Yes, Viktor. I like it.
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Oh, Zzripz and Graceful Dragon - I agree it should be fun. But I guess, my motive is to be enabled to help other folk in their need to fix themselves, so I am not a recreational tripper. Having said that, I want it to be ecstatic and joyous. But, if it clears up my emotional and psychological hard drive, and makes me more efficient as a being, it's all good. I wouldn't advocate heroic doses for anyone. It's just what I, personally, need to help me explore my work... If that sounds like bollocks, please feel free to correct me. x
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Re: Shamanism and psilocybin [Re: saenchai] 1
#23357541 - 06/18/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Saenchai, I like your views on these trends in the 'shamanic' community. They are helpful to me, a good, balanced, and realistic, bird's-eye view. It's weird (of course!), but a recent conversation with a friend, about the intelligence of mushrooms in landscaping the earth, creating the forests, etc., acted like a call from the mushroom, to activate something dormant within me. It was as though they had left a trigger buried deep and, when she spoke, I felt that they were calling me, using her as a channel. She was basically discussing how fungi, in a very real sense, rule the earth. I felt that it was the mushroom speaking, waking me up again. The conversation placed me in a mindset of humility towards the mushroom intelligence. I have also received instruction and guidance from non-incarnated teachers, telling me to use the plants again and have these experiences in a sacred way. These matters set me even further apart from most of my peers, so I want to express how good it feels to be able to talk about them with others who to whatever degree, understand and can aid my better understanding. Very cool indeed. Mick x
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well, the 'heroic dose' thing is just about the only thing i disagree with McKenna on. i say just about because i haven't read or studied all of his writings - only the basics, which wisdom and beauty have been important in my life -- and more advanced, novelty theory which is beautiful but tangential here.
several things. . i view psilocybin as rather perfect, for opening and exploring - but also, i am of the view that there is no need to keep doing these things -- ah, i just realized a second place where McKenna and i differ hehe. . . remembered
to each their own - but, for me, the holy sacrament cannabis is plenty enough. . for , any further insights. .
in line with what you are writing about, Rainbow, i have come to understand some more of this, to be a living source of this type of thing - one can live with more and wisdom ( patience, peacefulness, growth ) etc. . .
and as always, there is some real connection to earth; the more in harmony we are, the better our connection seems to be. . . i.e., living in such a way that we create the most chances for restoration, health of earth ( all species ), etc.
love and peace, graceful
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Re: Shamanism and psilocybin [Re: saenchai]
#23357946 - 06/18/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hello there 
Interesting thread. I have been studying various 'earthly' paths in recent years shamanism being the main, though i dont profess to be a shaman myself i am learning how to practice shamanic techniques, with the use of amanita muscaria and the like. Is a fascinating area of study and practice for sure. I hope to try psilocybin again in the near future, as its been years since i have. Though ive yet to connect with a spirit as such, all in good time, im taking baby steps at the moment!
I have bought the ingredients for making ayahuasca brew, though seems advised not to do this alone and ive no one to ask to sit, so i need to have a good think about it, ive read many posts though from people who have done this alone with no ill effect.
Its strange as it was after i tried psilocybin years ago i became aware and drawn to the the natural paths and seasons as so on, though i used them back then for fun and had no intentions to speak of
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Re: Shamanism and psilocybin [Re: Spellbound]
#23358124 - 06/18/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi Spellbound, I had to smile at 'baby steps', because I am often told by spirit: 'Baby steps, just take little baby steps.' How are you getting on with Amanita? What sort of doses are you using? I used a small dose and it was very effective, leading to permanent and very positive changes. Also, you say amanita 'and the like.' Which other plants are you experimenting with? Ayahuasca is something I am interested in exploring too, but the same restraints apply. Yes, the psilocybin led me to living in a more connected way too. I often interact with the landscape through touch, ingestion and absorption, as the intelligence in the surrounding plant life prompts me to.
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