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ClintMassey
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My first bulk diary on Shroomery
#23353366 - 06/17/16 01:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi to you all I just started my first spawning to bulk,I used Barley seeds to spawn and finally got enough fully colonized jars,I used coco coir + vermiculite I think the ratio was 80/20 coco/vermiculite and I cased layers 4 layers of coco medium and 3 layers of seeds in 3 trays that i plan to put in one of my monotubs... The strain is syzygy and I just made these to take some prints and to try to isolate the best mushroom specimens on agar
Here are the pictures after the casing was prepared I covered them with tin foil and poked some holes then covered them with micropore tape so they exchange air and that s about it...nothing special but the diary will continue cause I got more redboy spawn runing for a full monotub and some malabar too


I will post updates and any comments or ideas are welcome,I wondered is it ok to put these trays in a monotub,will it be a good atmosphere for my little shroomies???
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23353382 - 06/17/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I plan to put them on fruiting as soon as I Notice the first webs of mycelium on the surface,I read that that is the proper way to get the most pins so I wonder is it true,supposedly if the medium gets to full with mycelium that is like over colonization or something and it will produce less pins than starting the fruiting conditions as soon as the mycelium starts showing on the surface of the medium???
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23356088 - 06/17/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The proper term is overlaying and I saw a bunch od people get that on their casing and than fruit and get kinda stupid pin growth and stuff and nobody cares and lik wooow man nice looking mushrooms and stuff so that s little stupid to me personal
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23356130 - 06/17/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: The proper term is overlaying and I saw a bunch od people get that on their casing and than fruit and get kinda stupid pin growth and stuff and nobody cares and lik wooow man nice looking mushrooms and stuff so that s little stupid to me personal
They didn't have overlay.
Give the myc fresh air when it's 100% white and colonized and it will fruit when ready.
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Are those taped holes inoculation points? if so, you should uncover them. the casing layer will protect them and there needs to be gas exchange during colonization.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: VYBEv2]
#23356423 - 06/18/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think they are just GE holes. Micropore tape doesn't prohibit GE enough to really matter but it's better without IMO.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: VYBEv2]
#23356434 - 06/18/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also I would crumble into a monotub
add a casing layer to that
the more surface area the more pins (potentially) right??
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: VYBEv2]
#23384393 - 06/26/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Finnaly my substrate has colonized and poking trough the surface,I didnt go to the whole colonization I dont wont to get overlay,I read alot about the best casing teks and methods and for the first this time I only did Barley seeds and coco coir + a little vermiculute layers so tonight I started the pinning initiation
My temps are around 25 celzius or below 80F It has been pretty hot these days so I moved the monotub into the coldest room so the temps will slowly fall I poured a little water to the bottom of the monotub and added a little H2O2 3% total of 10% in the water and just plugged the wholes with polyfyl and sterilized the whole monotub,I misted everything except the casing layer cause I read in a good tek that pining is induced with the process of drying out the whole thing slowly,but I plan to mist it in a day or 2 once I see that it is becoming dry,it is still pretty wet
The tape was 3M micropore so it had gas exchange dont worry I seen someone asked
Here are the pictures so please comment and give me some advices If you think something is wrong or something,this is my first casing layer method but I didnt had enough spawn to fill the whole monotub so I did 3 trays and put them into the monotub for humidity and stuff




I planned to start with a slow air exchange around 2 times a day and then step it up to 3 times day after 2 days cause I read that it increases pinning and I am using a 800 lumen or 15 watt 6400k cfl raised over the monotub its not so close I plan to put it closer once the pinning starts...I think I did it pretty decent and I dont expect any major problems,I only did this grow to get some good caps to make good spore prints to share
For next I got plenty of colonized jars of malabar that I sucesfully inoculated on agar and finally got a pure culture,my syrigne or print got contaminated and redboy is slowly getting colonized,I ordered some original autoclavable spawn bags with micro filters and 3 strains Lizard king,Mazatapec and b+ in prints so It will be pretty amazing,thanks to you all for your help I learned alot in a last few weeks battling with contaminants and reading all of those posts you guys are amazing and I hope you like the grow diary,I will post pictures every few days so you can see changes and results...I am hoping for a decent result
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wowimflabbergasted said: I think they are just GE holes. Micropore tape doesn't prohibit GE enough to really matter but it's better without IMO.
You are right so I made a more holes later,I looked to the sides of the casing layers,I mean to the side of the container it has completely covered everything so I think it did a decent job,I didnt want to risk any infections,The purpose was to get some mushrooms for sure to take spore prints and that is the whole point,the cleaner the better,I had so many contaminations and never did casing layer so I didnt know if I pausterized it corecctly and I dont have a laminar flow hood or that fancy stuff so just a precaution but thanks for the info I will try plain holes next time I do a casing layer
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23386060 - 06/26/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just woke up,it has been 8 hours since i put them on 14/10 light schedule and the mycelium is poking out even more,pretty fast if you ask me,in a day or two everything will be covered if it continues to grow at this rate,it was a very thin layer of coco over that fully colonized substrate I moved it a little with a sterile brush yesterday and its pretty dense underneath
look at them today compared to yesterday,is this a good sign?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23386106 - 06/26/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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this is some redboy that had a slight bacterial contamination so I put it under ordinary soil in a big pot and covered it with another pot outside in a shady part of my yard and watered it with like 25 liters of tapped water and left it for few days and mycelium seems to be clear of contamination and it started inoculating soil and everything around,but utside temps are going even to 36 celzius is there any way I can fruit them by putting them somewhere in a shade or in my basement where it is cold or something,even just to get a few tiny shrooms for spore prints?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23389016 - 06/27/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here are the pictures from day 2 of fruiting conditions,mycelium is still bulking up but I noticed some strands of mycelium poking to the outer surface in a needle type of way is this a sign that the primordya will form soon,I started fanning a little more but I still havent figured out the exact ammount of moisture that should be on my casing,I notices some water droplets on the casing itself but I read that it needs to glisten and that that is called near saturation point that is crucial for nice pinning,I have a lot of those mycelium pikes but I dont think that is primordia forming
Temperature in the monotub is 71.6 degrees Fahrenheit Humidity is unknown but I mist everytime I fan mostly on the edges of the monotub and the lid itself and the trays are getting some of that mist on them and are sitting in water so I think that it is pretty high
Here are pictures from day 2 it has been 5 hours since 14/10 light schedule has started





I am starting to get a little worried about the pinning itself,I have a feeling I am not doing something right so If anyone has any detailed directions on what I should do or just reasure me that this looks good I would be thankfull
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23389048 - 06/27/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm worried too, because they look so highly bacterial. Most probably the spawn.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23389090 - 06/27/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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dankington said: I'm worried too, because they look so highly bacterial. Most probably the spawn.
holy shit you crepped me out with that,It was the purest mycelium I had,I dont know what kind of bacteria would it supposed to be,I looked at a bunch of threads with contaminations and dealt with alot of them myself but I havent noticed any signs of discoloration,bubbles or anything like slime and stuff to indicate that it is contaminated,smell is purely mushroomy I only did mostly coco as a substrate and a lot of spawn in there there is not much vermiculite in there,so it could be called basically pure coco its not 50/50 more like 80/20 it is multistrain not isolated mycelium,every one of them grows a little bit different one is more fuzzy one is more rhizomorphical and one had that dense mycelium I looked to the sides of the colonized substrate on the edges of the tray not a sign of bacterial contamination so Idk...fuck my life if its contaminated again after all that work
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23389098 - 06/27/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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and yea my phone is shitty so the camera is a little blurry,its some old piece of shit phone so its not clear photos
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23389101 - 06/27/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks really thick and cheesy to me. A better pic may change my mind, but it's unlikely.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23389109 - 06/27/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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wait ill try to get a better camera with macro
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23389161 - 06/27/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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dankington said: Looks really thick and cheesy to me. A better pic may change my mind, but it's unlikely.
If by cheesy you mean this type of growth and thickness than it is not I observed it it is actually more like a dense grouping of hairs It doesnt have that straight dry look to it its all fuzzy and it is probably because of the shitty camera and the bright light that you assumed that,it actually looks pretty great,it has a lot of mycelium pikes poking trought the surface and shows very good signs,it is near saturation point everything is like crystal covered in little droplets I will try to post macro photos tommorow my gf˙s mobile just locked while I tried to guess the pin number cause she s asleep so until tommorow I dont have any better pictures but If you mean with cheesy something like this than you are way out of course
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23389180 - 06/27/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know it's sad. we all get emotional about it sometimes. It's okay, let it out. just make sure you have some new stuff going
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23389207 - 06/27/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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kinda looks bacterial. still may produce some shrooms, thou. all is not lost yet.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23389220 - 06/27/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is the most accurate picture that I could find that shows what the mycelium looks when observed closely only mine is poking out in a different manner,Like I said it is all cottony and it is dense but not looking contaminated,on the photos it looks pretty different than upclose when I observe it,I had problems with bacteria before and I am convinced it is not the case here,Its the crappy phone camera that makes everything look saturated and you cant see anything clear it looks blurry so I assume that is the problem I will post pictures every day if it is contaminated it will surely be noticable by discoloration and the mycelium structure
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23389264 - 06/27/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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upload your pics to the site (top left toolbar>>Pics>>Upload)
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23389455 - 06/27/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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did the growth stall?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23389483 - 06/27/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Another vote for bacterial. It's not an assumption, it's definitely bacterial.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Inocuole]
#23389808 - 06/28/16 01:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Another vote for bacterial. It's not an assumption, it's definitely bacterial. 
I trust your judgement,so how much H202 3% should i dilute into how much water and spray the casing to kill the bacteria and not to harm the mycelium?
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Designer Drugs said: did the growth stall?
No its 2 days in the fruiting monotub and it s bursting,but the growth is kinda thick and I can see rhizomorphical and fuzzy mycelium by the eye but I dont know how long I have to wait to see the first pins and will it fruit if it has a bacterial contamination,what harm can it do to fruit a bacterially contaminated bulk,I only tend to use the mushrooms for spore prints anyways and testing it out,I doesnt affect anything as far as I can see personally Idk I have no problems with bacteria only mold,I ve seen some pretty bad bacterial contaminations this one is still colorless and odorless so I think I will still try to fruit them and see if I get any shrooms from what I ve got,In the best case I could cut out the pieces that looks contaminated and drip some H202 3% on the spot but that s it,I dont know can mycelium beat the bacteria and can I help in any way it would be great if it can,I know only one thing,if I burried that cakes inside a pot with some soil and water it thoroughly it would clear itself out and grow normal I did that before with sucess,I once had a big grow room with marijuana plants inside and I used to put pieces of colonized substrate in my marijuana soil and after it would spread some mycelium around and you could see it going trough the soil I would left them in dark for 12 hours and in the morning you would see little mushies growing around underneath the plants they almost looked like psilocybe semilanceata they were very thin and would dry out very fast but they would shoot out during night time just like they were growing outside it was pretty cool to see that
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23389949 - 06/28/16 04:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Another vote for bacterial. It's not an assumption, it's definitely bacterial. 
I trust your judgement,so how much H202 3% should i dilute into how much water and spray the casing to kill the bacteria and not to harm the mycelium?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23389952 - 06/28/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I found something JBL FuraPond Medication against internal and external bacterial infections Fast and effective treatment in the initial stage of ulcers, fin rot, popeyes and dropsy occurring in spring. Effective against bacteria of the strains Aeromonas, Pseudomonas, Columnaris, Flexibacter, Streptococci and others. Very well tolerated,even by crayfish. It is absorbed quickly through the gills and can be traced in all organs after only a few minutes. The active ingredient sodium nifurstyrenate is faster and stronger than antibiotics. It is sold in our local pet center and you can do a quick 30 minutes treatment with one pill in 10 liters of water I am thinking of trying that cause it should do no harm to the fungi whatsoever,but it should kill most od the bacteria that could be contaminating my mycelium what do you guys think,it is not dangerous for pond fish and it is quickly disinegrating so I thought of soaking my entire tray and then rinsing it all with a lot of water and then letting it dry out for a day or so
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23389985 - 06/28/16 04:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mean if that casings will fruit eventually and the those bacterial contamination is nothing serious I will leave it as it is and pick up the caps and make some spore prints but this is my last colonies of the syzygy strain and I am not throwing it away,im gonna kill those bastards if I can and get that goddamn mushrooms so I can take spore prints even if it is the last thing I do...Like Cartman said many times "Goddamit"
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23390215 - 06/28/16 07:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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that sub was no good eh? you can just let it keep going. youll probably get some mushrooms. but it wont be ideal, and it wont be a great flush. but mushrooms are mushrooms right? good luck buddy.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23390796 - 06/28/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I bought the bactericid pills and I was thinking of dunking the whole trays in water and leaving them for an hour or so...can dunking trays damage the mycelium itself and how can I get rid of water after that much absorption,I did some researching and found that antibiotics have a promotive effect on mycelium growth so I thought to myself why not try,it will probably get rid of contam,it wont hurt the mycelium itself and it will clear itself in 5 to 7 days,if I decide to dunk the whole trays what is the easiest way to drain out the water out of the substrate though it is almost completely colonized by now,do I just let it sit without misting for a few days or would you suggest anything different
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23390824 - 06/28/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Myc isn't like animals; you can't just add antibiotics and "heal" it. Why do you think we put so much effort into cleaning samples on agar?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23391120 - 06/28/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont know but I will find out soon enoguh,I sunked it for about an hour in the antibiotic solution and a strong one I might say,it brusied a little especially on the places where I thought there was contamination,I pressed it a little with my fingers while keeping it under water and it just bruised blue like it was pure mycelium,everything seems whiter now and I rinsed it with plain water,I will sterilize the tub and put them but I will not mist until the substrate regains proper moisture,this is a pretty agressive bacticid and it penetrates everything in about 5 to 6 minutes and starts working and continues working for 5 days after that,It is kind of experimental I did some reading and found out that you can kill bacteria withoput harming the fungi and it actually benefits the fungi so we shall see,I will post pictures and I even think of casing it all with vermiculite so the mycelium doesnt poke out as hard as it did on the coco coir,it is organic no matter what so I will sterilize some vermiculite and case it all so we will see what will happen then Idk what else to say...let this be an experiment and yes myc isnt like animals but it is made of fine threads od mycelial fibers and it can absorb moisture and it has its own metabolic system the antibiotic solution wont hurt it it can only help so please stop criticising so much,I know what youre gonna say before you even say it so I get it,sterile techniques,dump it all and start again and shit but I wont and experimenting is fun too and you can learn something in the process,the active ingredient is called Nifurpirinol and it kills a whole lot of bacteria branches that other antibiotics dont even kill but only inhibit their reproductive sistem and you must inhibit the second generation and bacterias multiply every 20 minutes so it can become resistant and bla bla bla I killed the little suckers and now its only pure mycelium for sure I can promise you that
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23391156 - 06/28/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Btw I just recieved 4 new prints from psilo lab 1 Lizard King 1 Mazatapec 2 smaller B+
Im waiting for my autoclavable bags with microfilters so I wont have any more problems with contaminations in the future,and this grow I will leave as an experiment just to see can you get rid of bacterial contamination if it even was the case here,while i was dunking it everything smelled like pure mushrooms my whole room stinks of mushrooms I didnt even catch a glimpse of anything suspicios in smell and by the looks and the bruising its kinda weird i didnt saw that contaminants bruise but well you are the experts Im just learning new things
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23391163 - 06/28/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23391179 - 06/28/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: Effective against bacteria of the strains Aeromonas, Pseudomonas, Columnaris, Flexibacter, Streptococci and others. Very well tolerated,even by crayfish. It is absorbed quickly through the gills and can be traced in all organs after only a few minutes.
but, do you have any of those specific bacteria? or gills on your myc?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23391187 - 06/28/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: It is kind of experimental I did some reading and found out that you can kill bacteria withoput harming the fungi and it actually benefits the fungi so we shall see,
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: LocN9ne]
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I dont get this deathstar picture,what does it have to do with anything???
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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It LOOKS bacterial. What you see as normal and healthy mycelium is what WE see as bacterial spawn. The mycelium you are producing is acting strangely, and is becoming aerial, thick and white. Indicative of a bacteria problem.
There isn't a way to cure a bacterial contamination if it's deeply embedded in the mycelium and has already stuck with it since the start. It's done the damage already. Don't dunk anything else in antibiotics. If you are lucky, you'll still get a few mushrooms from this. If you just try and fruit it as normal.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23391229 - 06/28/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: It is kind of experimental I did some reading and found out that you can kill bacteria withoput harming the fungi and it actually benefits the fungi so we shall see,
care to share that link btw?
Look im not here to prove a point od anykind,im just trying to save my colony,no I dont have a link it was somekind of research that some scientist did with antibiotics and fungicids and stuff and it said that antibiotics can actually promote mycelium development,No mycelium doesnt have gills but can absorb moisture and breathes so it means it absorbs water and other solubles its pure logic but no matter what this stuff kill all of those families of bacteria and even others not included in the list so it will work on probably most of bacterias you can find near or inside your home,it doesnt inhibit growth but just kills the bacteria cause bacteria hass cell walls and it destroys their membrane and fungi doesnt have that so it doesnt do anything to them...I am not a scientist but I understand what it said when I read it but I dont feel like remembering word to word,my english is not the best and I sometimes have problems expressing myself,sometimes people need to think outside the box,I learned alot in my life thinking outside the box and experimentin on stuff,I ve been growing marijuna for 13+ years and I can say I learned the most by trial and error and I found out stuff that you cant read on the internet by trying different stuff and experimenting and I would like to stop with the debating,If no one knows how to help a person in a situation criticism isnt helpfull and doesnt make you a better person it just makes you look like a douchebag...It is too easy for you guys in usa to buy everything in your homedepot and wallmart and you have everything and I mean everything and here where I live its fucking sad...and I really mean sad,my gf got me some new excellent prints,from a reputable european company so I dont have to fuck around with that shitty FSRE spore prints anymore and I finally got some real equipment so I can grow in peace without trying different shit to make filters and shit that doesnt work,it is fucking impossible to buy a fucking hepa filter here so you can make a laminar flow hood and if you want to order one it cost like a fucking good car so no thanks,and I know people who grow mushrooms in a clear room without none of that fanc stuff and by dozens of kilos per flush,they are edible types but you can do it not everyone uses laminar flow hoods and SAB,s and stuff like that and still produce massive ammounts of mushrooms and that s all I gotta say,Its very easy for you to order shit from e bay or some other shit and you dont even get it how lucky you are that you have everything pretty cheap and accesible at any given time
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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but you dont use pesticides for fish on humans or mushrooms. it's just common sense.
I did search the active ingredient and the product name and couldn't find anything myco related, if you did it could be an interesting read.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23391240 - 06/28/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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its the walls of text i cant get past. i cant even read it unfortunately. my eyes are too shit.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#23391244 - 06/28/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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SloppyJoseph said: It LOOKS bacterial. What you see as normal and healthy mycelium is what WE see as bacterial spawn. The mycelium you are producing is acting strangely, and is becoming aerial, thick and white. Indicative of a bacteria problem.
There isn't a way to cure a bacterial contamination if it's deeply embedded in the mycelium and has already stuck with it since the start. It's done the damage already. Don't dunk anything else in antibiotics. If you are lucky, you'll still get a few mushrooms from this. If you just try and fruit it as normal.
Can this be due to improper environment maybe,to dry air,to warm temperatures,and stuff like that and maybe doesnt need to be a contamination at all,I havent seen such contaminations that bruise when you press them and that doesnt have a distinct smell of somekind,I ve seen it on agar and in jars but Idk i havent seen one bruising blue when you press it,I ve seen some pretty weird stuff do to impromer environment that looks like contamination to me and its not its just different,you all use teks that are tried over and over again I did this simply from my head,I used some colonized spawn,it wasnt bacterial by smell or looks and I shaked it for the third time,It colonized pretty fast and agressive id didnt have any spots that didnt colonized so I would assume there is some problems or hidden contams they were the purest colonies I have,for every tray of 2 liters I used 700 ml of spawn and the rest was twice pasteurized coco coir with a few grabs of vermiculite that is barely noticeable like few handfulls on 9 liters of coco and yes it did look weird to me too but I havent ever got that spider web like mycelium that you het on your casings and that looks strange to me,I only saw pf cakes and bulks in soil and stuff like that so that wasnt looking to weird to me,I just didnt grew mushies for a long time so I wanted to be sure if it is growing ok cause it was growing pretty fast and dense like it is just eating the coco coir insted of using it as a casing layer
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23391256 - 06/28/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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you're making an awful lot of assumptions clint,on how we do things, even where I live  and bacteria isnt a contam mold its just a bacteria that's making your mycelium sick.
dont be so defensive, no one's attacking you we're trying to get you on the right path just doing random stuff because you think it might work really isnt a good way to cultivate.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23391273 - 06/28/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: but you dont use pesticides for fish on humans or mushrooms. it's just common sense.
I did search the active ingredient and the product name and couldn't find anything myco related, if you did it could be an interesting read.
I havent used the specific name of the ingredient I just digged around on google with stuff like can you kill bacteria and not fungi,and can you klll bacterial contaminations in mushroom growing,I even tryied it in my language cause there are many edible mushroom producers here so there are some texts on my native lagnuage about that,on other forums I read some different stuff about H2O2 that you guys are talking about here,everywhere people say different stuff and experiences so a person can get a little confused,and yea I thought I said already the mushrooms are not for eating but for spore production nothing more,and the safe waiting period is about a week for this dosage and it is used only for fish and organisms that have organs so it doesnt apply on mushrooms cause mushrooms doesnt have any of that stuff in them...I dont think that it will do any real damage if you even eat the mushroom,now I probably prolonged the whole process so I think it will be some time even if it sucesfully removed all bacteria and colonises full,I will put a vermiculite casing layer on top just to see how will mycelium react to non organic layer and will it be more like your casings that colonizes in a spider web type
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23391282 - 06/28/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: you're making an awful lot of assumptions clint,on how we do things, even where I live  and bacteria isnt a contam mold its just a bacteria that's making your mycelium sick.
dont be so defensive, no one's attacking you we're trying to get you on the right path just doing random stuff because you think it might work really isnt a good way to cultivate.
Thank you for that,I understand but it is noticeable that people here are pretty focused on something and they force it,I ve seen people that have mold contams and grow their mushrooms and they are edible but here its like throw it away throw it away its shit,do it again,it makes me aggitated and I have psychotic disorders so I can get upset sometimes I am sorry if I get all cocky I just want to save my strain and I will try anything I can get my hands and mind on before I toss it away...plain as that I hope you can understand that,its the last of my strain
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23391320 - 06/28/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just trying to help, man. No one is forcing you to do anything.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington] 1
#23391389 - 06/28/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You don't save a bacterial substrate man, if you could save them, we wouldn't even bother trying to get clean specimens to begin with. There are nearly unlimited kinds of bacteria and the kind that like grains and manure and stuff like that are totally different from the kinds that infect living creatures. We didn't tell you it was bacterial so you would run out and try to fix it, it was just a heads up. It would have had a lot better chances if you had done nothing to it is what we're saying. You only see mycelium but the bacteria is microscopic, it's woven in with the mycelium and it causes it to change shape, which is how we can tell. It'll all still bruise and that might seem like a good sign, but there's still bacteria in there, and now that the mycelium is bruised and weak, it's going to really take over.
I'd have really just left it alone...
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23391453 - 06/28/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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SloppyJoseph said: It LOOKS bacterial. What you see as normal and healthy mycelium is what WE see as bacterial spawn. The mycelium you are producing is acting strangely, and is becoming aerial, thick and white. Indicative of a bacteria problem.
There isn't a way to cure a bacterial contamination if it's deeply embedded in the mycelium and has already stuck with it since the start. It's done the damage already. Don't dunk anything else in antibiotics. If you are lucky, you'll still get a few mushrooms from this. If you just try and fruit it as normal.
Can this be due to improper environment maybe,to dry air,to warm temperatures,and stuff like that and maybe doesnt need to be a contamination at all,I havent seen such contaminations that bruise when you press them and that doesnt have a distinct smell of somekind,I ve seen it on agar and in jars but Idk i havent seen one bruising blue when you press it,I ve seen some pretty weird stuff do to impromer environment that looks like contamination to me and its not its just different,you all use teks that are tried over and over again I did this simply from my head,I used some colonized spawn,it wasnt bacterial by smell or looks and I shaked it for the third time,It colonized pretty fast and agressive id didnt have any spots that didnt colonized so I would assume there is some problems or hidden contams they were the purest colonies I have,for every tray of 2 liters I used 700 ml of spawn and the rest was twice pasteurized coco coir with a few grabs of vermiculite that is barely noticeable like few handfulls on 9 liters of coco and yes it did look weird to me too but I havent ever got that spider web like mycelium that you het on your casings and that looks strange to me,I only saw pf cakes and bulks in soil and stuff like that so that wasnt looking to weird to me,I just didnt grew mushies for a long time so I wanted to be sure if it is growing ok cause it was growing pretty fast and dense like it is just eating the coco coir insted of using it as a casing layer
Nope it's not due to environment unfortunately. It's due to dirty spawn. How did you inoculate your grains? Did you use and SAB? That's not contamination bruising and smelling like fresh mushrooms. That's your mycelium. What you see IS mycelium, but te underlying bacterial contamination is making it do weird shit. So what you see is mycelium, but it's mycelium intertwined with bacteria. Te bacteria and mycelium are battling for control of the show, the mycelium may put up a fight and push out some shrooms, but the bacteria will eventually triumph and those things are gonna turn green. Only time will tell.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#23391924 - 06/28/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The best course of action with bacteria is to just ignore it like its not there. You can get fruits more often than not.
severely bacterial bottle grow:

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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Munchauzen]
#23392736 - 06/29/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks alot for a little specific explanation,as I did what I did,dipped the whole cakes in a bactericid solution and let it sit for sometimes,I hope that God will be good and kill those little suckers if they are there,everything looks ok for now,only time will tell...its just fanning and waiting from now on,If it is a bacterial contamination its not a big one and that s a release maybe the mushrooms can overcome the little suckers especially after the soaking in the solution and rinsing,everything is sterilized and I am starting new spawns but this time I will do some precaution measures and sterilize a little better cause im using autoclavable bags with microfilters,and yes the air here is my biggest problem,I do everything very clean and sterilize myself a few times as I do it,I try to be quick and still shit happens,I would blame the pourly made filters on my jars for that but who knows,we shall see once the bags arrive,they should be here by tommorow
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23393260 - 06/29/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: Thanks alot for a little specific explanation,as I did what I did,dipped the whole cakes in a bactericid solution and let it sit for sometimes,I hope that God will be good and kill those little suckers if they are there,everything looks ok for now,only time will tell...its just fanning and waiting from now on,If it is a bacterial contamination its not a big one and that s a release maybe the mushrooms can overcome the little suckers especially after the soaking in the solution and rinsing,everything is sterilized and I am starting new spawns but this time I will do some precaution measures and sterilize a little better cause im using autoclavable bags with microfilters,and yes the air here is my biggest problem,I do everything very clean and sterilize myself a few times as I do it,I try to be quick and still shit happens,I would blame the pourly made filters on my jars for that but who knows,we shall see once the bags arrive,they should be here by tommorow
Do you use an SAB? You aren't supposed to work quick, you are supposed to work deliberately with proper sterile technique, in a Still Air Box.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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How can you neuter yourself more than once? Human skin is never sterile.
If you want to get close, you can wear a painter's tyvek suit while you work, tape gloves to your hands and wear a facemask while working in a SAB.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23393675 - 06/29/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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come on in kids, dinner time, dont forget to sterilize your hands before eating!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#23393759 - 06/29/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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wait, you guys dont wipe your hands with ISO and then flame them before each transfer/inoc?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mupetmower]
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pft. newbs.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Inocuole]
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I would like to start another one but im not sure about the spawn,as you are all experts can a tray be made from one of these jars,they were transfered g2g and 2 of them took of very quick and had a good look to them,the corn was a little to hydrated so some drops of water was present





Which ones are clean and which ones are contaminated cause Im guessing its the same type of contamination as before,bacterial and dont want waste the good ones mixing it with bad ones,cause some have a little stalled growth from what I see they are 8 or 9 days old from pc and transfering and shaken once so im suspecting on ones that are not fully colonized by now
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Popcorn can be tough to read. Can you find any other, cheaper grains?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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doesnt look good to me, upload the pics here so we can zoom in..
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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I usualy use barley grains,they are usually the most available here but i used them all and put them into the unicorn type autoclavable spawn bags tl3 type around 3,5 kilos per each and inoculated them with lizard king and mazatapec,they are pre sealed and thoroughly sterilized so I dont expect any contams in there,spore prints was excellent quality and syringes are made pretty good so that is my main goal,Im just considering about fuiting these with popcorn but only the first two look clean to me and acted clean,they were spawned from agar the rest was g2g and werent inoculated into sab,I currently sterilzing my room and cooking agar to isolate all of the strains to get a pure culture of each,I got 4 pure cultures of malabar finnaly using hydrogen to wash agar after cooking it i soaked it in peroxide and I got that beuatifull pure mycelial growth only bad thing was that the growth was stunned for about a week and then they took off,so that is the best sucess rate I got for now using agar,I am planing on using only the 2 jars that are the most unsuspiciuos looking and smeeling I mean the first 2 they are definitively most clean and most colonized so I doubt that they are contaminated,I just realizeed how much am I mistaken by not doing everything in SAB but intstead risk inoculation in an open environment,from now on I wont fart If its not in a SAB and I mean that,I lost too much time spawning contaminated jars over and over,I could picked mushrooms by now
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Is that one sentence? You have all this stuff, just do the agar work properly. You're weakening the myc by pouring peroxide on it. Don't make spore syringes if you're inoculating grains.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mupetmower]
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Stop soaking shit in peroxide. Just get rid of the peroxide. That's for booboos.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Inocuole]
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I just tried to do that because I accidentally droped some shit on an agar plate,so I took some hidrogen 3% and just pour it over the agar and mixed it in a stiring motion and poured it out,then put the grains on them and now after 2 weeks I have pure colonies no bacterial or any kind of contamination...call me crazy but the best thing I ever did and the nicest mycelial growth I ever got,I tried before with syringes and spores and transfering and they almost always contaminated mostly all of them contaminated after a while and bacterialy most of the time,white blob started growing over agar,now its pure and only mycelium,I get it that you dont like H202 but it worked for me that time,This time I tried it wihout agar,some g2g transfer and syringe inoculation with a drop of solution on agar so I will see which works better
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23403571 - 07/02/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: so I took some hidrogen 3% and just pour it over the agar and mixed it in a stiring motion and poured it out,then put the grains on them and now after 2 weeks I have pure colonies no bacterial or any kind of contamination...call me crazy but the best thing I ever did and the nicest mycelial growth I ever got
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23405560 - 07/02/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just to say to you guys,I finnaly got pins,I didnt even noticed the prymordia forming and today I looked and the pins are growing out,they are all crystally looking and small but they have reddish caps and there is a lot of them...more that I imagined so I got it now...and Spacechildo I dont know why you make fun of that fact but it is true,I droped something on my agar that would surely contamine it,I took hydrogen 3% and poured some over the agar plate,It didnt contained any inoculans at that time only agar,and swirled it for a bit in a circular motion then just dumped it upside down on a paper towel,than when it drained I cleaned the sides of the jar that was on the paper towel with some antiseptic liquid and inoculated them with grains and now I have nice pure colonies and I will take pictures to prove it,maybe it didnt worked for you but It certainly worked for me,maybe it just soaked the agar on the surface like a film and allowed the grains to develop without any contaminants but I shit you not these are the purest colonies I have on agar right now,I m just waiting to buy a better camera and I will take pictures to prove before I transfer the parts of mycelium that I want on another agar plate so you will get a clean shot because I dont use petri dishes and my lid is not see trough
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23405583 - 07/02/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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but who gives a fuck about agar an H2O2 pins are coming...I feel so relaxed right now,after I dipped the trays in the antibacterial solution the mycelium growth appeared a little different,it became more spider web like you guys get on your casings,I did notice some white balls forming but I didnt recognize that as primordia I thougt that its just mycelium bursting in litle spots here and there but the pins showed up nicely they are now about 1 to 2mm the biggest ones,I gotta go buy a camera fucking today...wuaaaa I just hope that those suckers turn out ok so I cant take some decent prints back
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23406113 - 07/03/16 05:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah i mean, i'm sure we're all anxious to see what you come up with here.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23407199 - 07/03/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Inocuole]
#23407317 - 07/03/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah go buy that camera; and learn the 'enter' button.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23407733 - 07/03/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: but who gives a fuck about agar an H2O2 pins are coming...I feel so relaxed right now,after I dipped the trays in the antibacterial solution the mycelium growth appeared a little different,it became more spider web like you guys get on your casings,I did notice some white balls forming but I didnt recognize that as primordia I thougt that its just mycelium bursting in litle spots here and there but the pins showed up nicely they are now about 1 to 2mm the biggest ones,I gotta go buy a camera fucking today...wuaaaa I just hope that those suckers turn out ok so I cant take some decent prints back
And find the right google image so you can't tell I messed it up
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23408727 - 07/03/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: but who gives a fuck about agar an H2O2 pins are coming...I feel so relaxed right now,after I dipped the trays in the antibacterial solution the mycelium growth appeared a little different,it became more spider web like you guys get on your casings,I did notice some white balls forming but I didnt recognize that as primordia I thougt that its just mycelium bursting in litle spots here and there but the pins showed up nicely they are now about 1 to 2mm the biggest ones,I gotta go buy a camera fucking today...wuaaaa I just hope that those suckers turn out ok so I cant take some decent prints back
And find the right google image so you can't tell I messed it up
You are a funny guy you know,maybe you should try going out to that late night stand up comedy clubs and give it a shot!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23408789 - 07/03/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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And here are the pictures with a better camera...oh I mean I had to google it so I can find some decent looking ones "Morron" Here are my fuck up pins and cakes
   
 





Hope you find it very fucked up so you can shit all over the place,as far as I am concerned to much of you people got a very bad ego trip...and you are fucking taking shrooms...what eating a gram or so and dipping your fingertips into water,thanks for all the advice guys but I mean some of you are full of shit and I mean that sincerely,the rest of you thanks for you helpful advices...and yea H2O2 kicks ass and I will continue to use it on every agar plate and any maybe contaminated stuff cause it very much fucking helps,I did once again g2g transfer on agar and didnt used the peroxide wash and guess what bacteria,the ones I did use it on guess what???pure mycelium and a clean colony so fuck that shit as far sa I am concerned the best thing I ever tried for agar preparation,a quick rinse over your agar and no contaminations once you let it dry out a little and go g2g so please do not talk to me about H2O2 never ever again...you proved your point it sucks probably because you dont know how to use it but for me it very much fucking helps,So I hope that cloese that discussion Peace to you all and good luck
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23408863 - 07/03/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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And here is the proof that it is wise to rinse your agar surface with H202 and let it uspide dry out a bit then do your transfers without fearing that you will transfer bacteria from a contaminated source or fear contaminations
here is the picture of the ones I transfered with pre-rinsing the agar surface clean and not contaminated

And here is pure transfer from a possibly contaminated source without rinsing the surface of agar...this is 2 or 3 days after the transfer notice the bacteria on the surface,I have some more pictures but I dont feel like taking a picture of every one of them,now its just extra work cooking up some new agar and rinsing it and then transfering from these contaminated plates to the new protected agar plates so I can get pure colonies with a 5 to 6 days more waiting included cause the peroxide needs to be broken apart by the mycelium so it can start spreading on the agar surface!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23409011 - 07/04/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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And now when we got all of that shit out of the way,can someone please tell me how much does this pinning lasts,I see more and more pins growing out this is day 2 from the first pins and they are still poking out the surface and on the sides,as you see I pulled out the casing layers and put them on some aluminum foil and made a little wall to protect them from water and touching the bottom of the tub but I revealed more surface for more pins and the pins are poking even on the sides,they are just growing out everywhere,there is a shitload of that little lumps that are pure white and dont have caps and then they turn into pins pretty soon... I know that not all of them will survive and grow out but I m just curious on aproximatelly how long does the formation of pinheads lasts before they start growing out into mushrooms cause one of my cakes is a little late compared to the other 2 that have a decent ammount of pinheads already?I think its 1 day behind the faster cakes
P.S. "that yellowish liquid on the surface is not contamination its just the antibacterial solution that still comes out of the cakes cause they have been soaked for good amount of time and the color of the antibiotic solution is yellow so when I take a paper towel and gently put it on the yellow liquid it just sucks it out and underneath is white mycelium so I am just saying that for the ones who will come and be like it looks contaminated bla bla bla,its not so please stop with that shit,even if it is I dont give a F... but Its not bacteria its the solution that is still coming out everytime I spray the cakes
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23409113 - 07/04/16 01:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: And here are the pictures with a better camera...oh I mean I had to google it so I can find some decent looking ones "Morron"
lmao that's some funny shit.
Morron - Urban Dictionary: "More commonly, an incorrect spelling of the word 'moron' Used exclusively by true morons in all forms of print as well as the internet. This misspelling is a clear indication that the user is not just a moron but also an illiterate ignoramus incapable of intelligent intercourse with the rest of humanity. I love that site
Just messing with you there OP....but why the fuck are you dipping your subs in peroxide? Maybe the agar...maybe. But substrates? Hmmm................
Fruiting lasts 7-14 days usually.
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I am not dipping my substrate in peroxide,you got something wrong,I just clean my agar surface with 3% peroxide and leave it of a while to dry out a little,it leaves a very clean smooth surface...I put regular grains not dipped in peroxide,I leave them until the new growth appears on agar and just watch them every day to see is there any contamination and for now it showed great,only mycelium spreaded and no bacterias or any type of that shit...and yea man I am illiterate cause I dont usually speak english,sorry you didnt understand my question fully so I dont find your answer appropriate to the question but thanks alot,I am glas you found something funny in everything
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Inocuole]
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Inocuole said: I save this thread to read on the shitter.
You know what dude, there is a saying in my country and it goes like this...svaka reklama je dobra reklama on english it would go something like this Any advertising is good advertising enjoy on the shitter,I guess you spend most of your time there...just kidding a little...I would say something to you now but its not worth it,live in your world and enjoy it...future is a motherfucker and karma is a bitch enjoy
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23409252 - 07/04/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good luck, I hope it is not a contam and it fruits for you. I've been following.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: drolman]
#23409317 - 07/04/16 04:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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drolman said: Good luck, I hope it is not a contam and it fruits for you. I've been following.
Ty!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23409360 - 07/04/16 05:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: And here is the proof that it is wise to rinse your agar surface with H202 and let it uspide dry out a bit then do your transfers without fearing that you will transfer bacteria from a contaminated source or fear contaminations

usually "proof" in this hobby means mushrooms, not blurry unzoomable pics uploaded to another site...
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23409524 - 07/04/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Spacechildo I am really sorry but this site will not upload my pictures I tried before posting on image upload and I dont feel like waiting for ressurecton of christ for a few pictures to upload so I can get codes
you can zoom and observe,but im already sick of your smart ass speaches if you dont like what you see please leave you are not helping in any way only spamming my thread,plz dont troll if you dont have nothing smart to say,you can clearly see its very much purer and cleaner than that opened already contaminated lame ass 2 day old normal agar g2g transfered jar,sorry jars are a little blurry,I will gladly open my culture and give you a high resolution image of the mycelium culture once I perform isolation to another agar jar until then can you please stop with your being a dick routine...
I get that you are just mad cause you are wrong about the peroxide and trying to turn out as the smart one by sneak dissing when someone is proving you wrong in front people
I promise if anyone else starts shitting about the f...ing peroxide I will make a detailed video with 10 agar + peroxide and 10 pure agar dishes and perform g2g transfer on all of them and literally quote you and others and make a frickin tek for making contamination free agar plates and prove you are wrong...please just stop I m not here to discuss or to argue with anybody about anything I just dont like narrow sighted persons who dont have real knowledge but nearly just spread informations they collected from other people and really dont know shit about what are they talking about,because they cannot even explain why are they saying what are they saying and prove that they are right
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23409530 - 07/04/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: but im already sick of your smart ass speaches if you dont like what you see please leave you are not helping in any way only spamming my thread,plz dont troll if you dont have nothing smart to say,
please stop with your being a dick routine,you are just mad cause you are wrong and someone is proving that
no, its the other way around, you're being a dick spreading bad info like gospel, not knowing what you're doing yet but still thinking hey I should share these fucked up thoughts on cultivation.
I'm helping big time, I'm helping others not fall for your BS.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23409549 - 07/04/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Then my friend I dare you to prove that more diluted or even 3% H202 solution mixed with water hurts mycelium in any way,scinetifically it cannot be proven that is to small concetration to do anything to mycelium
http://www.fanaticus.com/antibiot.htm
here is some reading on antibiotics and peroxide if you havent read,I would like to see your proof that h202 will hurt mycelium,make a test yourself and prove to everybody you are right
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23409554 - 07/04/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You posted pics earlier in this thread so full of shit it went wrong and you don't wanna admit you were wrong Probably waiting for a batch you did right to fruit then post pics on that Either post pics or it didn't happen
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23409558 - 07/04/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hydrogen Peroxide is a powerful antiseptic. The solution of Hydrogen Peroxide bought in a drug store is 3% Hydrogen Peroxide and 97% water. Even at this low concentration, and with further dilution's, the germ killing is potent. But that germ killing power only works for micro fungi spores and bacteria endospores. A micro-organism that has germinated into its secondary form (mycelium), is safe from the antiseptic power of diluted Hydrogen Peroxide. But the ungerminated spores, bacteria endospores, and microbes are all susceptible. If there is bacteria that is growing (germinated), it will not succumb to the peroxidated water (just as the fungi mycelium is not succumbing). Also, any mold that is growing will survive. A clean fragment of shroom flesh or mycelium from a mold contaminated culture has germs all over it, but only in the spore or endospore form. They won't germinate in the peroxidated medium and water or on the recovering mycelia.
The tek is like a tightrope act. The mycelium that is cultured in the peroxide enriched medium can survive and grow, but it is not clean. Any spores or bacteria that are "piggy-backing" on the mycelium and not in contact with the peroxidated medium can come to life if given the opportunity.
After the culture of mycelium grows, it can be rehydrated with more peroxidated water. The spores and bacteria endospores that are "piggy-backing" on the mycelium will die. The mycelium in its fully secondary form, will survive the new peroxidated solution, "cleaned".
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23409560 - 07/04/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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mrmazdarx9 said: You posted pics earlier in this thread so full of shit it went wrong and you don't wanna admit you were wrong Probably waiting for a batch you did right to fruit then post pics on that Either post pics or it didn't happen
Post pics of what exactly???
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey] 2
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ClintMassey said: Then my friend I dare you to prove that more diluted or even 3% H202 solution mixed with water hurts mycelium in any way,scinetifically it cannot be proven that is to small concetration to do anything to mycelium
http://www.fanaticus.com/antibiot.htm
here is some reading on antibiotics and peroxide if you havent read,I would like to see your proof that h202 will hurt mycelium,make a test yourself and prove to everybody you are right
h2o2 is used to treat cob web for newbs who get cobweb and bother trying to fix it. nothing else. been proven over and over again. Not sure what you think that link says  You're the one making wild claims, so You're the one who has to prove it.
example; God exists my proof is; You try to disprove him then...
just doesnt work that way...
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23409576 - 07/04/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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god damn what an idiot you are mrmazdarx9 do you think I have time to post pictures of 3 identical 2 liter trays of my only left spawn of syzygy that I had and even said they were my last colonies and i wont let them get ruined,and somene started with that looks contaminated talk cause the mycelium looked different than on his perlite vermiculite casing or whatever and then I magically used my powers of materialising and summoned another 3 identical cakes of syzygy with pins and came here claiming that I did something that U personaly consider bullshit cause look now there are pins growing out on the cakes and everyone thought and said it would be fucked up,stop being a retard please,I dont got time for your trolling and shit cause you are stubborn and never tried anything else that makes common sense in a situation and you only know how to follow teks and dont know how to think for yourself?fine than it didnt happen take a walk dude and stop coming to this thread
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23409600 - 07/04/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok its not like you said,it is used in medicine and agriculture and I had this kind of fights with idiots on cannabis growing forums for another purpose it is used by some of smart people in fungiculture even but ok,I accept your challenge, I will make a video in which i will cook the agar ammount for 20 jars and pour it into same jars in sab all recording non stop I will let the agar cool down I will treat 10 agar plates and mark them so it cannot be erased or swaped,and I will leave 10 other jars untreated After I treat the 10 jars with H202 and drain them out I will inoculate all 20 from the same jar of grains with a single grain of colonized spawn After that I will take pictures every single day of the both batches of agar for 2 weeks so you can see that it takes 6 days for mycelium to starts growing inside the H202 treated jars,and we shall see how many of them will be clean once the test ends in about 14 days from the start
If my theory proves its point and creates better results and be 100% clear you will make a new thread and appologize publicly and admit you are an idiot If your theory proves its point I will leave this forum forever and never return? Are you ready to take on the challenge?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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ClintMassey said: Ok its not like you said,it is used in medicine and agriculture and I had this kind of fights with idiots on cannabis growing forums for another purpose it is used by some of smart people in fungiculture even but ok
this is mush cult. h2o2 has no place in sterile tech. Please show me which "smart people" use peroxide for mush cult! should be good  you're not the first one to find bad info or read what you want into the stuff you find. if you think h2o2 kills endospores go ahead and "sterilize" your grains with h2o2. I'll be here 
sanitizing stuff is not sterile tech. heat kills, cleaners sanitizes. removing 99,999% of 100 bn mold spores is far from good enough.
stop using meth and start using the enter button, try to think out what you wanna say before typing and use periods, dont double post and try to focus.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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ClintMassey said: Ok its not like you said,it is used in medicine and agriculture and I had this kind of fights with idiots on cannabis growing forums for another purpose it is used by some of smart people in fungiculture even but ok
this is mush cult. h2o2 has no place in sterile tech. Please show me which "smart people" use peroxide for mush cult! should be good  you're not the first one to find bad info or read what you want into the stuff you find. if you think h2o2 kills endospores go ahead and "sterilize" your grains with h2o2. I'll be here 
sanitizing stuff is not sterile tech. heat kills, cleaners sanitizes. removing 99,999% of 100 bn mold spores is far from good enough.
stop using meth and start using the enter button, try to think out what you wanna say before typing and use periods, dont double post and try to focus.
What are U my fucking momma,I dont do meth,I dont do drugs actually,I dont even drink. Stop acting a fool and just take the challenge publicly,and do I have to spell it I am not a fucking U.S.A. resident and I am not british...English is not my native language If you want to start this beef than just say the words and I will make a youtube channel and cook the fucking agar tonight,I accidentally have some malabar and redboy grains colonized so I will gladly shoot that shitty half hour video of the procedure and then we will see how much effective is my peroxide against your words
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23409669 - 07/04/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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peroxide. it works by causing cell walls to collapse and the weight of the cell can't hold itself any longer. Mycelium can withstand it at 3% concentrations, but it will still weaken the cell walls significantly. we all told you you would most likely get some fruits. But there're reasons we told you to put the H2O2 away.
I realize you think we're all potheads and shroomheads and probably always fucked up. But some of us are fairly intelligent--we learn from the legends that came before us.
you don't think any of us have heard of Fanaticus? Think we just tell people to do PF tek without knowing who PF was?
You're right, PF did a lot of work with antibiotics and H2O2. Did you know his specimens, all his work, all his genetics are deteriorating due to a degenerative virus that started attacking his weakened cultures?
Here's a quote from Workman, one of the truly great mycologists here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7504640#7504640
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Workman said: The bent stems could be genetic or it might be a viral infection. I have long suspected that the PF strains harbor a virus that causes deformity. I am currently trying to inactive any potential virus though a heat therapy protocol to see if that improves the form. If the problem is only genetic it should be improved by crossing with healthier strains. Sorry, I didn't save any for a cross section but they do blue intensely at the slightest touch.
here's an interview too: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6720321#6720321
If you'll notice, Workman had to do a lot of work to try and save these cultures. Because of repeated uses of antibiotics, peroxide washes, and perhaps as theorized by some, the over use of blacklights for growing.
in the future, save the H2O2 for the only thing we'll ever use it for: Dactylium infections.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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also, peroxide turns into something crazy when exposed to air for a period of time! water and oxygen!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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Hey Clint... Serious question, I don't feel like reading the whole shit storm... So you PC your agar, then put peroxide on them? Then let them sit upside down to dry, THEN inoculate the plates? If I am reading that correctly, then you are accomplishing absolutely nothing except adding more water to your plates... Peroxide is H202 (water with an extra oxygen) it breaks down quickly... And if you are expecting it to accomplish anything after a couple minutes, you are going to be let down... If you are having less contams after doing this, it's most likely because your sterile procedures are improving with practice... But I promise you the peroxide isn't combatting a God Damn thing unless it is being directly applied to whatever you are trying to "clean up"
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Actually,you are a f...ing bitch nd you wont take the challenge cause you will loose and you know it but thats not even the point,stop trolling on my thread if you got some problems and just stay the f... away from here it is not for your kind it is for people who have an open mind for experimenting and are willing to see something unusual and not bash and sneak diss on everything acting all smart ass. You are not a factor in my life,nothing you say can,will or makes any difference in any way I actually take pictures of the shit I do and post them I dont say shit that I cannot prove,please leave my stupid ass alone and dont come back here and we are cool I dont like to argue with people over stupid shit,you dont use peroxide I do and it works for me cause I probably know how to use it,if you dont than that s your problem let s please stop this disscusion and you go on believe and do whatever you want to do and I will continue to do what I believe and want to do...its easy dude,just go away,you are like a fly on a piece of shit if I am the shit in this case,dont you get it,you have no purpose and you will not prove anything,I will continue to do things my way forever cause I tried it and it works,forever!!!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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I dont think even he knows anymore, he's all over the place.
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ClintMassey said: Hydrogen Peroxide is a powerful antiseptic. The solution of Hydrogen Peroxide bought in a drug store is 3% Hydrogen Peroxide and 97% water. Even at this low concentration, and with further dilution's, the germ killing is potent. But that germ killing power only works for micro fungi spores and bacteria endospores.
After the culture of mycelium grows, it can be rehydrated with more peroxidated water. The spores and bacteria endospores that are "piggy-backing" on the mycelium will die. The mycelium in its fully secondary form, will survive the new peroxidated solution, "cleaned".
Professor Fanaticus
Complete bullshit.
as I said, if you think h2o2 kills endospores go ahead and use it to "sterilize" your grains. Many people have found this kinda BS before you and failed. its nothing new, its old bad info.
Its your thread, go ahead and spout all the bad info you want in it, I've said what I have to say. You will have to learn from experience I guess..
And I'm not picking a word fight, english isnt my first language either but at least try to calm down and make more sense in your posts, if you type too fast its hard to understand all the ramblings.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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I'm telling you this isnt something new, fanaticus has been dead a long time already and you're not the first, rather the 1000th I've seen here quoting bad info regarding h2o2. it simply doesnt work. try it, you'll find out.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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yeah, clint. you know why i dug all that up about the degeneration of fanaticus' cultures? because I tried that peroxide agar shit too. you know we've all been n00bs before, right?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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dankington said: peroxide. it works by causing cell walls to collapse and the weight of the cell can't hold itself any longer. Mycelium can withstand it at 3% concentrations, but it will still weaken the cell walls significantly. we all told you you would most likely get some fruits. But there're reasons we told you to put the H2O2 away.
I realize you think we're all potheads and shroomheads and probably always fucked up. But some of us are fairly intelligent--we learn from the legends that came before us.
you don't think any of us have heard of Fanaticus? Think we just tell people to do PF tek without knowing who PF was?
You're right, PF did a lot of work with antibiotics and H2O2. Did you know his specimens, all his work, all his genetics are deteriorating due to a degenerative virus that started attacking his weakened cultures?
Here's a quote from Workman, one of the truly great mycologists here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7504640#7504640
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Workman said: The bent stems could be genetic or it might be a viral infection. I have long suspected that the PF strains harbor a virus that causes deformity. I am currently trying to inactive any potential virus though a heat therapy protocol to see if that improves the form. If the problem is only genetic it should be improved by crossing with healthier strains. Sorry, I didn't save any for a cross section but they do blue intensely at the slightest touch.
here's an interview too: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6720321#6720321
If you'll notice, Workman had to do a lot of work to try and save these cultures. Because of repeated uses of antibiotics, peroxide washes, and perhaps as theorized by some, the over use of blacklights for growing.
in the future, save the H2O2 for the only thing we'll ever use it for: Dactylium infections.
Hey man thanks for being normal,I used to smoke alot of pot and trip dont think I think bad of people who use drugs,I just stopped cause I ve been doing it for too long and it started to become a problem for me to function normally,I used to smoke up to a pound in a week or two,I just smoked and smoked,I get that some of you are very smart,its just one little problem some people here dont get,I dont dip my jars into peroxide nor do I spray it constantly on my mycelium or stuff like that,I only used it to bassicaly treat the surface of my agar plates so it doesnt get contaminated,that is all,does it weakens agar in some way???I dont get it why are everyone so obsessed with peroxide,I didnt dipped my grains into peroxide nor in any way do nothing else,can someone here understand what treating or cleaning the surface of cooled thicked agar,for preventative measures???Its all I did and all I am saying is that It has not contaminated on my and the mycelium hasnt grasp onto the surface for about 6 days and then it started to grow out normally,its not weakened mycelium it was colonized grain and it didnt even started the growth until the peroxide hasnt probably dissinegrated and evaporated into water and oxygen...that is all....nothing more,nothing about peroxide more please people stop with this discussion,you are smart I get that,people are very smart here but some are very intolerant and rude and deserve some decent slap in the face...trolling someone and being idiots on purpose to look smart,its like omg...will it ever stop i.d.g.a. f..k! Thanks for the info I will read it for sure
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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I havent even cooked the agar than poured the hydrogen peroxide so it is a part of the agar i just cleared the surface of the agar for a brief moment,there is a difference in the two,when you cook agar and add hydrogen in it it stays in the core of the agar and stays there for a longer time than just soaking it on the surface for a few seconds shaking the jar in a circular motion to swipe of the potential contaminations I personally dropped on the agar...correct me if I am wrong
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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maybe you just dont read the quotes you're posting then? Maybe you didnt say YOU specifically did a thing, but you keep posting about how it would work. now stop it. no one is trolling you, you are simply being corrected. when you make posts like this
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you're gonna have to get used to being corrected a LOT, unless you maybe stop giving advice and start asking questions and listen to the answers instead of filling all your posts with simple minded foul language
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23409747 - 07/04/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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not just the H2O2, it's the use of antibiotics that's got us all concerned. Your agar should've been clean already. There shouldn't even be a reason to treat it with anything. It's sterile. it's simply best to try and take samples away from the contam and clean it up. using antibiotics and peroxide is simply not optimal. that's what we're all trying to say. you'd have much better results just cleaning the culture up with transfers.
if your contam is enmeshed with your mycelium, you can try putting an agar round over the sample, clean myc will grow through it. you just have to be very careful to take the myc that grew through the agar sandwich only.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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this is just too funny... jesus, dude..
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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ClintMassey said: just stay the f... away from here it is not for your kind it is for people who have an open mind for experimenting and are willing to see something unusual and not bash and sneak diss on everything acting all smart ass.
I'm telling you this isnt something new, fanaticus has been dead a long time already and you're not the first, rather the 1000th I've seen here quoting bad info regarding h2o2. it simply doesnt work. try it, you'll find out.
Ok I am sorry its just people are so obsessed about the peroxide thing it gets on my nerves,i dont spray or soak anything with peroxide,I dont dipp my grains into peroxide and to be clear these was simply first thought thing to do,I dropped something I need to rinse it with something that kills bacteria,peroxide is near,pour some onto agar and stir for a few secs and turn the jar upside down so peroxide drips away,its ok I get your point,with time peroxide weakens mycelium,when you work with it constantly it will destroy your genetics,its not the point I am trying to prove,and I am not planing to use it all the time on everything so its okay,I got your point,for my purpose It did the trick,I got my agar culture pure and thats all,now I can take cuts of of that and put it onto other plates,it will not kill or weaken my mycelium everything is fine
Thanks for your consideration on the matter but you can stop being rude and criticising non stop,it does nothing except cause agitation inbetween us,its like everybody was aaaaaa you got contamination on you trays,trow them away aaa,I didnt I discussed with a medical expert that s a friend of mine and he told me that the antibiotic will be present as long it needs to do its job,to kill the bacteria and then dissolve,I asked him is it safe to eat the mushrooms after I treat them with that type of antibiotic he said for sure and I trust my friend,He is a surgeon and smokes pot and knows alot about biology and chemistry and everything so I listened to him and did what I thought I need to do If there is somekind of infection,and look I got more and more pins everything is fine,no harm done to anybody
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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I appologize to everybody who got offended in this argument,please if you want to make a sense of somekind or help in my growing please take a little time and write your initial thoughts and reasons why are you saying something,I am hear to learn but I am not good at following orders and I dont like rules and constrictions,for me everything is possible and that is my religion that I follow!
Now abuot that pins what do you all think how are they coming on,does it looks better now that it has pins and growing out as it should,bigger pins are now about 1 to maybe 1,5cm long,I was wondering how long will the pins themsleves develop for the first flush,will just the bigger ones grow this first time or will the smaller ones grow out too with a little delay???
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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does your medical expert friend grow any fungus? I dont see how a medical degree means he can grow mush? You can do whatever you want just dont expect to be able to spread any info you like without starting a debate on the subject. we're nerds here, nitpicking's what we do you'll learn to love it eventually!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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dude, thats just it though... they ARE trying to help. the problem is that you cant stand being corrected. you think youre right, even when you clearly arent. and, just so you know, your "medical friend" doesnt know shit about growing mushrooms, ok?

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let me REPEAT, everyone here WAS/IS trying to help you. so let them. i know for 100% certainty that they know how mush cultivation works, a hell of a lot more than you. so let them help, and stop arguing nonsense, when you dont know what youre talking about. then, just maybe, you will learn something.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23409799 - 07/04/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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dankington said: not just the H2O2, it's the use of antibiotics that's got us all concerned. Your agar should've been clean already. There shouldn't even be a reason to treat it with anything. It's sterile. it's simply best to try and take samples away from the contam and clean it up. using antibiotics and peroxide is simply not optimal. that's what we're all trying to say. you'd have much better results just cleaning the culture up with transfers.
if your contam is enmeshed with your mycelium, you can try putting an agar round over the sample, clean myc will grow through it. you just have to be very careful to take the myc that grew through the agar sandwich only.
It is not like I wanted to use antibiotics,I just responded on the you got a contamination with a little fear,it is my last colony and I poured it all onto those trays dude,I dont want to lose my strain I need only one print that is all,and when you first said that it looks contaminated I shat my pants and did what I considered necessary,tried to find out will it hurt fungi,even asked my friend like I said he said no way it wont hurt mycelium or anytype of fungus I dont use it on agar and I didnt wanted to practice it,I probably shouldnt even had cause probably the jars werent contaminated in the first place,they just stayed colonized for a little to long and werent put in the fridge,I know it grew somekind weirdish and it was your reflex response to say contamination like everybody else but every action has a reaction,mine was antibiotics
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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the simple fact is, you just need to do a LOT more research on these things.
especially before spreading nonsense like this.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mupetmower]
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let me REPEAT, everyone here WAS/IS trying to help you. so let them. i know for 100% certainty that they know how mush cultivation works, a hell of a lot more than you. so let them help, and stop arguing nonsense, when you dont know what youre talking about. then, just maybe, you will learn something.
Thank you for your explanation I like when people learn me why and explain things with a normaln response and not dont do that, or do this type of answer...I like when someone learns me something but learning is understanding and if nobody explains than its not really learning shit,its just doing what someone says without any type of knowledge about why are u doing what you are doing...I hope you understand that.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mupetmower]
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honestly clint. we're not just bustin' balls here. we're trying to knock some sense into you. it can be hard, and i see you took some personal offense. but we don't mean to offend you, just correct all the disinformation you've read. a lot has happened in mycology, even just since PF died in 2011.
i have a tub with some slightly bacterial spawn right now. spawned it yesterday. I needed the jars, had some coir prepped from a couple of weeks ago, and figured it was clean enough to get something from. i would never put antibiotics on it.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mupetmower]
#23409822 - 07/04/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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mupetmower said: the simple fact is, you just need to do a LOT more research on these things.
especially before spreading nonsense like this.
I dont follow what nonesense I spread over here,I said I poured some hydrogen on my agar plates to clean some dirt that I accidentaly dropped in there and that is all,everything started with that,it was like I was posting a make a peroxide agar tek,I stated the facts,I did this and this,and it worked sweet for me...for me is the point,I was not encouraging anybody to do what I did I stated my own experince and everyone freaked out an started to attack me literally and verbally abusing the shit out of me and this thread,no one sayed shit about the fucking grow itself only the fucking hydrogen,I lerned i got it it is embeded in my brain forever,I will have nightmare about peroxide after this shit here
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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dankington said: honestly clint. we're not just bustin' balls here. we're trying to knock some sense into you. it can be hard, and i see you took some personal offense. but we don't mean to offend you, just correct all the disinformation you've read. a lot has happened in mycology, even just since PF died in 2011.
i have a tub with some slightly bacterial spawn right now. spawned it yesterday. I needed the jars, had some coir prepped from a couple of weeks ago, and figured it was clean enough to get something from. i would never put antibiotics on it. 
Please post some pictures so I can learn your methods of growing and see how it works out for you,I put antibiotics out of desperation,it was only reflex reaction,I have a overprotective personality and when something is mine i tend to nourish it and the thoght about losing my culture was like nooooo...every strain I have is special to me,its like everything is somekind of legendary item that I posses and I want it more and all hahaha,idk once I started reading and trying to grow some shrooms after a few years since my first basic attempts I got stuck on this shit,I got 48 pounds of inoculated grains right now and 48 more to cook and inoculate hahaha
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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that's just it, clint. my methods are not my own. I've just read, and read and follow what others before me have tried. it's as easy as spores>agar>agar>grains>CVG.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: LocN9ne]
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LocN9ne said: Hey Clint... Serious question, I don't feel like reading the whole shit storm... So you PC your agar, then put peroxide on them? Then let them sit upside down to dry, THEN inoculate the plates? If I am reading that correctly, then you are accomplishing absolutely nothing except adding more water to your plates... Peroxide is H202 (water with an extra oxygen) it breaks down quickly... And if you are expecting it to accomplish anything after a couple minutes, you are going to be let down... If you are having less contams after doing this, it's most likely because your sterile procedures are improving with practice... But I promise you the peroxide isn't combatting a God Damn thing unless it is being directly applied to whatever you are trying to "clean up"
Let me correct you,I dropped something on my agar get that,I thought oh shit it will contaminaet probably I need to remove it real quick...after that the first thing I saw was antiseptic and I poured a little on my agar dish,and let it do its thing for a few seconds after that I took the peroxide bottle to rinse out that little antiseptic liquid I spilled onto my agar plate and i rinsed it and then put the plate upside down on a dry towel inside ma SAB Then I though why the hell I dont try to rinse the rest of my agar plates with peroxide I get alot of bacterial contaminations and I dont know why maybe this will help,so I did the same only with pure peroxide 3% and when it dried out a little I put a grain from a jar onto every plate and close the lid Nothing grew from the grin for about 6 days and then it started to grow and there was no bacterial or any other type of contamination,what is for now the purest rate of clean agar plates I got ever.I dont know why does it always get contaminated and always bacterial contamination never mold or anything else its always the same 2 types of bacteria by the looks of it I hope this answers your question and you get a picture of what I did and what it did with the agar I really dont know I just know it helped to prevent any type of contamination that would ussualy burst out on some of the plates It always does so I know how much of my plates get contaminated aproximately in percentage hahaha,Idk if it helped really or not I just see the results
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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dude, what dont you understand, though?? you will only cause more bacteria and contam from doing that, though.. you would have been much better off just leaving them as is, and transferring away from the bacteria. now, more than likely, you have bacteria meshed in with your myc. i can almost guarantee that you do. it might LOOK clean to you, but it probably isnt.
the first thing you should be doing, is assessing your sterile technique. make some blank plates, and do some test transfers, and see if anything grows. if it does, then you need to fix your sterile technique.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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Look here,I ve noticed somethings here,almost everybody uses a giant SAB or a flow hood when they do their stuff,I know it is spores,to agar,than clean part of mycelium,than the best part of mycelium,than you inoculate that with that isolated mycelium and get very unique and rapid growth and stabile appearance and looks,more unique fruits and better yields...or cloning the one fruit you like by apearrance and get just that type of growth I get that isolating part but first thing,I cannot get any petri dishes in my country,it doesnt sells everywhere,you cannot find a store that sells that laboratory equipment,I looked on ebay and the shipment is more than the dishes itself,I use medical cups for piss,they are sterile and small so I figured ok that will do,problem is in this they are so tall and have a large cap that is very difficult to move and drop what you need to drop cause the cups are pretty deep comared to the width so I have some problems with that,I get much contaminations even when I work in sab,I clean my whole room before I work I turn on the air purifier that has a hepa filter and other type of filters to clean out shit that s floating in the air as much as possible! I turn that shit off and then slowly I start prepairing when the air becomes still in the room,No windows open,doors closed,I put my facemask,I sterilize my hands to the elbows,I put on glowes and sanitize them afterwards,I clean my sab from within with the same medical shit,Then i clean the doors and ouside of the box,I clean the table Im working on,I put the sab on the table,I put everything in my sab and close the hand holes Then I start working,at first I tryied everything as fast as I can now I got the point that the slower moves you make the air stays more still so I do it slowly,I try not to fuck up and do it with first try,i dont open lids then work,and that kind of stuff I prepare everything and just open lid put grain close lid,But it still gets contaminated,I improved a little from the point I started but its still not good enough its simple as that! Sorry for the long post but Im trying to explain that I understand the theory and I read alot but I still need to practice alot and do alot of transfers and try out alot of different stuff until I perfect that stuff I know that with time I will perfect everything cause I got addicted to this stuff and learning about this is very amusing and I like it and understand it pretty easily,Its just a matter of time and til then I will post shitty grows
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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there're always ways, my man. I use pre-pour still (pastyplates), and I manage.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mupetmower]
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mupetmower said: dude, what dont you understand, though?? you will only cause more bacteria and contam from doing that, though.. you would have been much better off just leaving them as is, and transferring away from the bacteria. now, more than likely, you have bacteria meshed in with your myc. i can almost guarantee that you do. it might LOOK clean to you, but it probably isnt.
the first thing you should be doing, is assessing your sterile technique. make some blank plates, and do some test transfers, and see if anything grows. if it does, then you need to fix your sterile technique.
I will work on that,I am trying to work on that its just I dont have petri dishes,and any more plates,I gotta go buy that piss containers until I have a chance to order a bunch of petri dishes,I dont know and had never seen a bacterial growth that you cannot see on agar though...I usualy get white milky growth or slightly yellowish spots and that kind of stuff,I we also noticed that you can spot when mycelium grows on the edge it spreads little visible threads that doesnt like to get into the area that is contaminated with bacteria or mold,I think I can spot bacteria on agar plates,I ve seen enough contaminations but never saw no ghost type of bacteria that you cannot spot on agar,it would spread and make some type of growth for sure so I think its not,I mean I dont know cause i cant see anything except mycelium,If its safe to open a fully colonized jar of mycelium without fear of contamination I will open and take a hq picture of my culture with some underneath light so you can observe the threads and the growth patterns
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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dankington said: how about this:? https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23218339#23218339
those are good sized containers you can most likely find if you're in the EU...
you can also add food coloring to the agar to help make bacteria more visible.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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dankington said: there're always ways, my man. I use pre-pour still (pastyplates), and I manage.
Yea I know about pastywhite s no pour tek I looked it up,amazing stuff only I cant seem to find that type and brand of plastic containters that are small,I tried that pp5 and they melted in my pressure cooker so I guess it was some chinese shit of plastic or something
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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and it is balcan dude,it is eu only in theory,its a little different in practice hahahahaha
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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those are good sized containers you can most likely find if you're in the EU...
you can also add food coloring to the agar to help make bacteria more visible.
I got those only a little bigger size,there werent any smaller,mine are like 15cm or something
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23409979 - 07/04/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got an idea,How about this What if I make a youtube channel and post videos of my equpiment and things I do so I can post every procedure and you guys can tell me where I do things wrong,and If I am missing something you can correct me I think it would be the best and the easiest way to learn and correct my procedures!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey] 1
#23410009 - 07/04/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because you're a lot safer here on the shroomery, why not just take pics of your stuff if you want us to see it?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey] 1
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Hey dude, you might wanna take a look at www.ampulla.eu for pp5's. They have good quart jars as well, and quite cheap. You would do well to squeeze in a few pp5s if you were ever to buy jars from them. Shipping isn't cheap but it was well worth it for me. I have about 80 quart jars from them and like 350 agar pp5s cause I just fell in love with them. I have a tek in my sig on how to go about using them.
As for pp5s melting, they were probably a mix of plastic. Proper pp5 shouldn't do that, regardless of where it's made of. Most plastics are made in china anyway. They should really be recycle code 7 if they were a mix but IDK if it's a marketing ploy or something.
Anyway, you should still be able to find something in supermarkets, we get loads of them here and I live in a country were supplies really hard to come by. Everything is expensive locally though so for jars and pp5s, I just stick to ampulla.
If you ever decide to buy from them and the shipping goes up to much, pm me because I found a neat little loophole in their site where you can buy more for less shipping costs.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Supalemonhaze]
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Supalemonhaze said: Hey dude, you might wanna take a look at www.ampulla.eu for pp5's. They have good quart jars as well, and quite cheap. You would do well to squeeze in a few pp5s if you were ever to buy jars from them. Shipping isn't cheap but it was well worth it for me. I have about 80 quart jars from them and like 350 agar pp5s cause I just fell in love with them. I have a tek in my sig on how to go about using them.
As for pp5s melting, they were probably a mix of plastic. Proper pp5 shouldn't do that, regardless of where it's made of. Most plastics are made in china anyway. They should really be recycle code 7 if they were a mix but IDK if it's a marketing ploy or something.
Anyway, you should still be able to find something in supermarkets, we get loads of them here and I live in a country were supplies really hard to come by. Everything is expensive locally though so for jars and pp5s, I just stick to ampulla.
If you ever decide to buy from them and the shipping goes up to much, pm me because I found a neat little loophole in their site where you can buy more for less shipping costs.
Thank you, I just browsed the site and shipping costs to my country are 3100 €.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Say what?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23410107 - 07/04/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Did you actually try to put something in the shopping cart and checkout? It will tell you the final shipping price before you have to pay.
They charge me like 30euro for 30kilos, I can buy somewhere around 50-60 jars for 30 euro shipping so it's not too bad considering that a quart jar locally costs 3.50euro each. I just saw that they removed the quart jar from inventory though, I hope they get it back.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Supalemonhaze]
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Supalemonhaze said: Say what? 
Yes, I did.
Standard Delivery - Despatched within 7 days € 3125.00
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23410130 - 07/04/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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HOLY SHIT. Send them an email and very kindly ask which type of drugs they are taking and where we can get some. I wanna be on whatever it is they are on.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23410143 - 07/04/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should still be able to find some good PP5s locally though so don't fret. You got unlucky with the ones that melted, it is not very common for that to happen. Big ass supermarkets is where you wanna check. Normally here, the ones that are pp5 will be advertised as "microwaveable". Just don't buy non pp5 if it says it's microwavable, it will probably melt anyway. 100% pp5 should not melt,regardless of how thin they are.
The ones I buy from ampulla have really thin lids, they warp a little if you don't space the lids out with a papertowel but if you do that, they handle it like champs.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Supalemonhaze]
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Supalemonhaze said: You should still be able to find some good PP5s locally though so don't fret. You got unlucky with the ones that melted, it is not very common for that to happen. Big ass supermarkets is where you wanna check. Normally here, the ones that are pp5 will be advertised as "microwaveable". Just don't buy non pp5 if it says it's microwavable, it will probably melt anyway. 100% pp5 should not melt,regardless of how thin they are.
The ones I buy from ampulla have really thin lids, they warp a little if you don't space the lids out with a papertowel but if you do that, they handle it like champs.
I know about PP5 plastics, I checked it all before.. Can you please stick around, I'll post a pic of my pins soon and I need some info.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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If it was pp5 it shouldn't have melted in the PC, if it did it may have been caused by a few things like overheating the pc heating the pc up too quickly having the plastic touching the sides of the pc
I've only ever had my pp5s warp when I go way too hard on the warming of the PC.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: the_r3dz]
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I have a grow question...My trays that are converted into cakes for more pinheads are pinning for maybe 3 days maximum...now I have some bigger pins some medium size pins and same smaller but obvious pins and my question is this Will all of those pins that are obviously pins form into mushrooms in this first flush? Or the ones that are growing out fastest will be in this first flush and the smaller ones in the second
Here are a few pictures for you to see I think you will recognize the ones that I am talking about
 
 
Shit I just realized that even with a camera you cant see all the pins,some of them have brown caps that kind of camouflage them,you can see alot more of them when standing normally and looking on top,it looks like they are so little of them and actually there are alot of them poking out everywhere,only on one cake they are staling a day or two idk,but that one doesnt have little ones only bigger ones
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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pins can take a few days to start growing faster and doubling in size quickly.
all of the pins will be your first flush, if they dont abort. when it stops producing pins, and your fruits all mature, the nthe flush is considered over.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mupetmower]
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Clint, i see some nice ones coming, man. lookin' good
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23410636 - 07/04/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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upload pictures to the shroomery already jesus christ dude im not clicking on anything offsite ever
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/upload.php?action=upload
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Munchauzen]
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upload pictures to the shroomery already jesus christ dude im not clicking on anything offsite ever
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/upload.php?action=upload
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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ClintMassey said: I am not dipping my substrate in peroxide,you got something wrong,I just clean my agar surface with 3% peroxide and leave it of a while to dry out a little,it leaves a very clean smooth surface...I put regular grains not dipped in peroxide,I leave them until the new growth appears on agar and just watch them every day to see is there any contamination and for now it showed great,only mycelium spreaded and no bacterias or any type of that shit...and yea man I am illiterate cause I dont usually speak english,sorry you didnt understand my question fully so I dont find your answer appropriate to the question but thanks alot,I am glas you found something funny in everything 
Ah okay, I thought I read that you were. And yes, I try to find humor is as many things as I can. Without it life would be fucking miserable. Good luck!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: LocN9ne]
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upload pictures to the shroomery already jesus christ dude im not clicking on anything offsite ever
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/upload.php?action=upload
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yeah, man. we don't like that offsite nonsense.
wow. thread really blew up.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington] 1
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that's what happens when you call upon..
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Munchauzen]
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upload pictures to the shroomery already jesus christ dude im not clicking on anything offsite ever
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/upload.php?action=upload
Sorry munchauzen some higher force is preventing the pictures to upload to the shroomery site,it takes forever to upload and it never uploads,I left it for like forever and nothing happened... I like image upload it is easy and fast,dont worry the DEA wont hunt you down if you click on a link...or will they hahaha just kidding I will post privnote in pm just for you if you want,soon as you open the link the note is deleted I really tried,I will give it another shot though...wait
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Yea no way my pictures take about 30 mb of space...I will post you a gallery on privnote in pm that s the only thing I can do...or just click on the links its https just like shroomery so you dont have to worry so much its evenly secure
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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I have just been to the shroom room,I ve been misting and faning,the pins are really getting thick and big,they are around 2,5 to 3cm the biggest ones and they are growing you can almost see them grow by the hour They are increasing in numbers too,on one casing layered cake I counted around 200 pins not counting the ones that are still without the little coloured cap
I ve seen everybody here mist and fan 1 to 3 times a day...I mist and fan minimally 6 to 8 times a day,especially during the night time,then I give them more misting and cover the monotub with a blanket it helps with drawing out the moisture so the cakes dry out faster inside,I am really satisfied with 2 of 3 cakes one is a little late and only giving larger pins and there arent as many pin clusters as on the other 2,those 2 are packed with pins and some good clusters,I really think that constant misting and fanning really helps to induce pins in number
they are never really dry but they never get too wet and they almost always have fresh air,now Im gonna get some rest and I will get up around 7 or 8 in the morning and now its 2:36 in the morning local time so that is the longest they dont recieve fanning,I will take some better pictures tommorow,the pins are now really visible especially when you look from the side of the monotub so it is a pretty wonderful sight to se so many of them
good night to everybody and see you in the morning with some fresh pictures
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Sorry I didnt take the pictures,my mobile went completely dead and Im recharching it right now,its brand new so its the procedure I guess,drain out the battery then fully recharge it,it has something to do with battery life afterwards,I made a new diary for you guys though,completely different method this time I will post some pin porn today dont worry
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23412998 - 07/05/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here is the pin porn from today...enjoy
                
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: LocN9ne]
#23413159 - 07/05/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm impressed to say the least!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
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I'm impressed to say the least!
I am honored by your impression sir...
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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I dont know how much will this ones yield but they just keep on slowly shitting pins,growth is not very fast but there is more and more pins every day,I think it is gonna be a slow fruiting but with shitloads of mushies,I think it is because the temperatures are around 73 to 75 fahrenheit constantly,I think if I raise it a little that will speed up the fruiting but stop the pinning process idk...that s just the way I feel but I am really satisfied with 2 of 3 trays,one is a little late and pins are showing up more at the sides and only a few bigs on the top and most of them on top but near the egde of the coco cake
I also made a new diary with malabar that is cased with vermiculite/perlite
and today I am making one with redboy strain it will be 2 more cakes similar to this but only with some more vermiculite and a little perlite in the mix and I will case that one and then pull it out probably just like these ones...I will see in the process what my gut tells me to do just like with these ones
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413571 - 07/05/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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 Just when I'm like "this dude is coming around" , you go talking about putting perlite in your sub, and following your gut instead of the actual tried and true process... Smgdh... Some people's kids.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: LocN9ne]
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 Just when I'm like "this dude is coming around" , you go talking about putting perlite in your sub, and following your gut instead of the actual tried and true process... Smgdh... Some people's kids.
Dont worry it will turn out fine...I can always add some coco as a casing if it doesnt turn out as good as I think it will,enjoy the show maybe you stay surprised in the end I making another one with 2 more trays just like this one only adding some more vermiculte and a little perlite in the mix its pausterizing right now and soon it will be fine,I just want to try an idea about the caing,If I cased with only vermiculite it would be fine right,perlite and vermiculite are not so different actually...the point of the casing is to introduce the mycelium to a substrate that it cannot inoculate so it tries to burst trough it and create mushrooms cause it gets the sinal that there is no more food source right??? So what if I put some perlite it is still a non organic substrate same as vermiculite only it retains water a little less and gives some aeration to the mix,pure vermiculite doesnt pin as good as I would want it to so that is the main reason I am putting some perlite in the mix to aerate,It will produce pins for sure only it will have to be taken care of little more what suits me,it still has the vermiculite,its not like I am putting vermiculite out of the game,so I dont see the reason to get so cranky over some perlite sorry for the longer text I wanted to give you the idea of what I am planing to do and why
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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ClintMassey said: perlite and vermiculite are not so different actually...
actually,they are complete opposite. verm can absorb tons of water while perlite is a rock that doesnt absorb anything. perlite has a huge surface because of the irregular shape and can allow lots of water to evaporate from it. perlite has been used in casing layers, not bulk subs.
you might as well add gravel to your subs
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413750 - 07/05/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am digging alot of info from mycotopia and other forums,people actually used perlite instead of vermiculite and got great results they even posted pictures of the procedure,idk I will give it a try,in this one I simply put spawn on the bottom and did a perlite vermiculite casing on top of that,just to initiate pining easier and get more pins,that is all I want the casing to be more aerated so it will give a little more room for the mycelium net and vermiculite to keep it humid enough trough the process If it doesnt work out I will simply scrape the goddamn thing and put coco,at the time I only had perlite and vermiculite,Thinked about it for some time,did some reading and figured out that it wont cause any problems cause of its structure,its just volcanic glass compressed...I will ask you nicely please dont judge it before you see if it works out,dont talk about it or share your thoughts,I know that people here arent using it but it can be used and I am always for experimenting and trying out different stuff so let it be an experiment,If it fails than you can bash the shit out me verbaly...ok??? thank you in advance
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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ClintMassey said: perlite and vermiculite are not so different actually...
actually,they are complete opposite. verm can absorb tons of water while perlite is a rock that doesnt absorb anything. perlite has a huge surface because of the irregular shape and can allow lots of water to evaporate from it. perlite has been used in casing layers, not bulk subs.
you might as well add gravel to your subs 
Yes spacechildo you are right,its not a rock its volcanic glass actually and it holds air better but still it can absorb some moisture and I didnt put it in the mix,i did a last layer over the substrate,the layer which is supposed to activate the pinning mode better,if mycelium bumps into anything non organic it forms a net trough it,perlite wont stop the mycelium or get in its way it will just aerate the humid vermiculite a little,and with a little more care it will retain moisture all the time,it is already planned,I did it on malabar,I added a little to the coco cir with some vermiculite,but I added finer graded perlite not the big lumps of it,I have it in differeent sizes and shapes from fine dust to little rocks that crack into smaller rocks if you press them
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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look at this one
Let me find a pic in the old mycotopia archives. Its so old its a webcam pic. I cased w/ perlite and got about 200 fruits from a little round tray... When I worked on a farm one summer the grower used perlite in his casing. Made for some monster-meaty fruits. Sucked to bite into though!!  heres the harvest off a 10" round tray (a clear plastic flower pot saucer.)
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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perlite doesnt absorb ANY water.
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ClintMassey said: I am digging alot of info from mycotopia and other forums
there's your problem right there. topia is known as a joke forum, you're not even allowed to tell people about better ways to grow there its all thumbs up and you can do it baby! 
but seriously, stop reading offsite info you're getting a lot of bad info.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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ClintMassey said: look at this one
When I worked on a farm one summer the grower used perlite in his casing.
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exactly... but dont go swapping perlite for verm.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413800 - 07/05/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vermiculite is a hydrous phyllosilicate mineral. It undergoes significant expansion when heated. Exfoliation occurs when the mineral is heated sufficiently, and the effect is routinely produced in commercial furnaces. Vermiculite is formed by weathering or hydrothermal alteration of biotite or phlogopite
Perlite is an amorphous volcanic glass that has a relatively high water content, typically formed by the hydration of obsidian. It occurs naturally and has the unusual property of greatly expanding when heated sufficiently. It is an industrial mineral and a commercial product useful for its light weight after processing.
Dont worry I am just doing it to see will it increase or help in any way with the pinning process or number of pins that form on top of the pure spawn...its not like I am planning to do it all the time,maybe if it shows good results as a casing for pure spawn,I m not doint anything extraordinary just experimenting a little,it doesnt hurt to try and maybe it will help to form shitload of pins we will see
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Would adding perlite on top actually increase the evaporation off the substrate?
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yes. if you want something to dry faster, pour perlite on it. like your laundry for example.
 
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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yes. if you want something to dry faster, pour perlite on it. like your laundry for example.
  
And what is the main thing that triggers pinning,misting and evaporation,that is the natural biorhytm that activates mushroom fruiting or I am wrong...I seem to read about it on the shroomery quite a few time from the trusted cultivators themselves...If you do enough misting and fanning a day it should not be a problem at all or am I wrong somebody please correct me...
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413881 - 07/05/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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build your fc properly and you wont have to mist. fanning has no point in a properly built fc. fc's dialed in for max FAE can get misted once every other day or so to keep from drying out. FC's with holes are automated.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Yes I know temperature drop too,but hydration and evaporation of the substrate,in which case I just thought well if I am misting and fanning like 8 times a day sometimes even more,that is acctually a good thing,I can put more moisture to avoid aborts and they wont be affected cause perlite contributes to easier evaporation of the substrate and one thing led to another I decided to try the damn layer and we will see...I personally think it will be interesting
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413901 - 07/05/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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if you mist too often that will cause aborts. You dont need to worry about getting to good pinsets for the sub to have enough water just yet 
the mushrooms and myc wants to have all their air exchanged 4-6 times pr hr, not 8 times a day. so instead of fanning we drill holes. let it happen automatically.
mushrooms really do best if you leave them alone, they dont like too much messing around IME.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413913 - 07/05/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can hurt myc from fanning. It turns yellow; it's like a wind burn.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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spacechildo said: build your fc properly and you wont have to mist. fanning has no point in a properly built fc. fc's dialed in for max FAE can get misted once every other day or so to keep from drying out. FC's with holes are automated.
Thanks for letting me know,so can you please explain why do people build shotgun fruiting chambers for cakes that have more fae an monotubs for bulk substrates that has lesser fae so they put fans to get some better fae in monotubs,In colonization mycelium needs GE am I right,i am not sure about pinning cause I give it alot of fresh air,it is to help evaporate the moisture from all the fanning but i dont know is it really nedded,some grow kits out there dont alow fae while pining,maybe once a day while you open the grow bag and mist then close it up again...yet they still pin fine and give some good fruits,I m not saying anything but that is what bugs me,when colonization of casing takes place people advise that you stuff you bottom holes tighter with polyfill but higher holes with lesser polyfill or I got something mixed up here,what is the purpose actually,I want to do it all by hand,I like to go and open my monotub,see how it is acting and then fan If I have to,give it some fresh air and then close it and I do it minimum 6 times a day,more when the lights are turned off then when they are on...There is very much theory involved in all that,I try to catch a clue in what is the best thing but pastywhite sais one thing,another dude says something different,I mean...what the fuck you do what is best suited for you,and gives you best results with time and you can only find out that by really experimenting... I think that s the point I was trying to make
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23413949 - 07/05/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: if you mist too often that will cause aborts. You dont need to worry about getting to good pinsets for the sub to have enough water just yet 
the mushrooms and myc wants to have all their air exchanged 4-6 times pr hr, not 8 times a day. so instead of fanning we drill holes. let it happen automatically.
mushrooms really do best if you leave them alone, they dont like too much messing around IME.
Fuck my life yesterday I looked at a thread and I think it was supalemonhaze that said that aborts are caused by not misting to much,it was something about why the most pins grow near the soaked perlite down on the cakes,I think it was that pins wont abort if you give them enough moisture,only if they dry out to much then they abort...hmm see what I mean,there is a lot of theory around everything so that s why I like to look at them as much as I can and adjust the environment when I see that something is not as it should be,I mean I know mushrooms create C02 but they cannot file the entire monotub in few minutes or an hour,If you give them totaly fresh air a couple times a day plus the gas exchange they get from polyfill in a monotub isnt that enough? I didnt know that you can hurt mycelium with faning,that is why I mist before I fan everytime...
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413969 - 07/05/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will post a video of exactly what I do when I go to look at the mushies,I am just exporting it and then I will upload a video here on the page,I found a site where you dont need to give your e mail and shit,something anonymous so I will make videos with that,you can see everything best cause I have a pretty good camera,it has amazing macro and stuff so once the movie exports I will paste the url link to it so you can see and listen to my bad english a little more and get some great hd video of the cakes from all the angles possible
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23414116 - 07/05/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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we use sgfc for cakes because they are so small they need the perlite in the chamber to help them from drying out too fast.
bulk subs are too big to put in a sgfc, imagine how big the sgfc must be to put a 66qt monotub worth of sub in it.
sgfc has so much fresh air you gonna have to mist your cakes. monotub you control with amount of poly in the holes. its a big myc cake and doesnt need a perlite chamber to support it. it has 4-5qts of water in it already.
2 very different teks, dont get them mixed up.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23415902 - 07/06/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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here are the babies today,they are growing up
https://vid.me/z9YH
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23416298 - 07/06/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also, about the pins being too wet and will abort and too dry will abort, both of those things are correct. There is a lot of outdated and incorrect info out there, but those two things are not. They don't conflict with each other either. They are both correct. You just need to do a LOT more research dude. A LOT.
And monotubs do also get enough FAE.
As for the videos and pics and whatever, I guarantee you can upload pics to this site. You must just be doing something wrong. Literally everyone else can do it. So I know you can to. Just take a little more time to figure it out. No one wants to go offsite to watch a video or look at enlarged pics.
As for the rest, honestly a lot of your posts are tl:dr, but I'm sure there are some more things that need correcting.
I'm not trying to be. A dick. Just trying to set you on the right path. And doing a LOOOOOT MORE research will help.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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ClintMassey said: I think it was supalemonhaze that said that aborts are caused by not misting to much
You're getting your info confused. The only thing I said lately to that effect was when there was a mono with pins on the sides only. It was too dry so the mycelium prefered to pin around the sides rather than in the middle where it's dry.
At any rate, both over and under misting is not good for your fruits/mycelium. Misting and dialing in needs practice, it's not something you learn how to do in a tek. Once you learn what the pins/sub are telling you, you start to improve.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Supalemonhaze]
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i really never can read through clints posts since he STILL cant figure out how to space his posts out to make them readable................
but just based on how long every post you make is; YOURE OVERTHINKING THE SHIT OUT OF THIS! growing mushrooms is a VERY basic process when you break it all down. it just comes down to... can you guess? FOLLOWING THE STEPS TO A 'T'.
and ultimately using information that has been PROVEN works time and time again will help tremendously in the long term.
im ALL for experimentation. but when i grow, and spend my time on a hobby like this. i expect results. and if im going to expect results, i better do it right. how am i going to do it right? im going to learn from all the mistakes people made before me, and use those lessons to improve my OWN odds.
after reading your grow log(parts of it anyway), and the new one, im seeing an overwhelming pattern. you're using outdated information, and trying experimental techniques constantly while you dont have ANY of the knowledge to be able to pull it off properly.
im not dissing on you. just trying to help. youd be better off listening to people here, following directions, and using NEW updated teks and information in order to grow properly and get good yields consistently.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: MycoLoopology]
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I read all of your posts and thanks this was a lot more detailed...I like explanations that is how I learn stuff
I will space my every sentence from now on so you can read it normally,here is my view od everything,I know that its not a big deal to grow out mushrooms once you get pure colonized spawn,it has been done over and over for so many times it is pretty easy,as far as I can see I am doing everything ok cause the mushrooms themselves are growing just fine,there are no aborts or anything wrong with them 
Yes I definitevly think much about everything,and I am trying to make it so that my personal growing becomes better with time and I get better results...although I like experimenting on stuff,I have 3 strains growin at the moment,I made another grow almost identical to this one only this time I will try casing it once it colonizes the coco coir...
I have a lot of spawn going at this moment and a few new strains so I will be here constantly and have a chance to do bigger and more detailed grows,this small grows are just for testing,I would be satisfied If I only got a few mushies to take prints,I am not a shroom eater so I dont need them to eat them I just like growing shrooms cause they are not as easy as growing cannabis and plants that has been my first occupation in life
This is something new and interesting to me and I always succed in being good at what I like,so with a little time and testing out and a little more learning I think I will succed in becoming a good mushroom grower,but I want more than just that,I am interested in mycology and the more challenging stuff
When I perfect my growing skills I will definitively invest some money and buy proper equipment and try having some fun in isolating strains and collecting them and even more,you dont have to worry I am here to stay,maybe I did get a little to excited over the whole growing theme but that is just cause it makes me occupied and happy
Sorry if I bothered you in any way or did something wrong to someone personally,I came here cause I think this is the best forum there is,like with marijuana 420 forums and icmag forums
It is pretty hard to get to most updated information on everything cause there is a bunch of stuff going on everywhere and I am trying to catch up an learn but a normal person cannot remember that much information and do it right all the time,I think I am starting of really good and that I am on the right path even though some of you consider me to be a little weird for trying out stuff that you think is outdated and incorrect, but that is a part of my personality.
like it sais on the mood I am a little crazy and I will always try out new crazy stuff,I have a lot of stuff planned out for the future so it is not a big deal to me,I only do unproven stuff with the extra spawn or strains that I have isolated and stored
This one and redboy are my only strains that I dont have in spore,syringe,or mycelium type so soon I will have my own prints and clone the best shroomies on to agar to get some pure colonies and that is that,redboy is made on a proven way trays with casing layers with pasteurized coco substrate and in a week or so I will start a thread on them to
For my first grow I think I am doing pretty well considering the stuff I saw in the mushroom cultivation part of the forum,people are fucking up badly and I am near some good shrooms to harvest
now the only thing that is bothering and confusing me is this pinning part of the whole thing,I have mushies that are pretty big and the smaller ones have startng to look more like the bigger ones and they have started to grow out rapidly but...I stil have new pins forming at the sides of the cake and on the top of the cake so is there something wrong with that or is it perfectly normal for shrooms to do that,I havent seen alot of those type of growth on the forum
and about the pictures,I could possibly upload one or two pictures cause it sais on the forum that I have daily ammount of kb that I can upload and it is a verry little ammount,maybe someone can guide me trough the process cause I tried to upload some pictures and it sais that I have too much and that it cannot upload,I always have minimaly 4 pictures and sometimes even more so if someone knows how to upload my gallery or something that I can post fell free to help cause I have gone trough the shroomery search function and read trough treads and didnt find anything but some links to upload and tried it and it didnt do nothing!
thanks and sorry for the long post
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: MycoLoopology]
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Holy shit this thread has my head twisted ...lol.
I really don't know what to think or say...
PS - and I do happened to know what I am doing for the most part, and H202 has little to no practical use in mycology.
The only possible exception would to be ... trying to combat cobweb mold.
And even at that, it will weaken the mycelium to some degree...
At any rate.... glad to see you at least got some fruits for your efforts...
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Your pinsets are uneven because you are growing from multispore, you can end up harvesting your first flush while your second flush is already pinning. Clones and isolates are your go-to if you want even pinsets. Isolates would be the best honestly but clones are pretty stable anyway, considering how much strains there is in them still.
If you don't have enough space in your gallery, just delete the pics you do not use. Or pay for subscriber account which will get you unlimited uploads. I'm afraid even I won't press on any offsite links, that can invite nothing but trouble. The shroomery has an SSL connection which protects us from anyone finding out about who we are, other sites offer no such protection. Most of them anyway.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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ClintMassey said: I read all of your posts and thanks this was a lot more detailed...I like explanations that is how I learn stuff
I will space my every sentence from now on so you can read it normally,here is my view od everything,I know that its not a big deal to grow out mushrooms once you get pure colonized spawn,it has been done over and over for so many times it is pretty easy,as far as I can see I am doing everything ok cause the mushrooms themselves are growing just fine,there are no aborts or anything wrong with them 
Yes I definitevly think much about everything,and I am trying to make it so that my personal growing becomes better with time and I get better results...although I like experimenting on stuff,I have 3 strains growin at the moment,I made another grow almost identical to this one only this time I will try casing it once it colonizes the coco coir...
I have a lot of spawn going at this moment and a few new strains so I will be here constantly and have a chance to do bigger and more detailed grows,this small grows are just for testing,I would be satisfied If I only got a few mushies to take prints,I am not a shroom eater so I dont need them to eat them I just like growing shrooms cause they are not as easy as growing cannabis and plants that has been my first occupation in life
This is something new and interesting to me and I always succed in being good at what I like,so with a little time and testing out and a little more learning I think I will succed in becoming a good mushroom grower,but I want more than just that,I am interested in mycology and the more challenging stuff
When I perfect my growing skills I will definitively invest some money and buy proper equipment and try having some fun in isolating strains and collecting them and even more,you dont have to worry I am here to stay,maybe I did get a little to excited over the whole growing theme but that is just cause it makes me occupied and happy
Sorry if I bothered you in any way or did something wrong to someone personally,I came here cause I think this is the best forum there is,like with marijuana 420 forums and icmag forums
It is pretty hard to get to most updated information on everything cause there is a bunch of stuff going on everywhere and I am trying to catch up an learn but a normal person cannot remember that much information and do it right all the time,I think I am starting of really good and that I am on the right path even though some of you consider me to be a little weird for trying out stuff that you think is outdated and incorrect, but that is a part of my personality.
like it sais on the mood I am a little crazy and I will always try out new crazy stuff,I have a lot of stuff planned out for the future so it is not a big deal to me,I only do unproven stuff with the extra spawn or strains that I have isolated and stored
This one and redboy are my only strains that I dont have in spore,syringe,or mycelium type so soon I will have my own prints and clone the best shroomies on to agar to get some pure colonies and that is that,redboy is made on a proven way trays with casing layers with pasteurized coco substrate and in a week or so I will start a thread on them to
For my first grow I think I am doing pretty well considering the stuff I saw in the mushroom cultivation part of the forum,people are fucking up badly and I am near some good shrooms to harvest
now the only thing that is bothering and confusing me is this pinning part of the whole thing,I have mushies that are pretty big and the smaller ones have startng to look more like the bigger ones and they have started to grow out rapidly but...I stil have new pins forming at the sides of the cake and on the top of the cake so is there something wrong with that or is it perfectly normal for shrooms to do that,I havent seen alot of those type of growth on the forum
and about the pictures,I could possibly upload one or two pictures cause it sais on the forum that I have daily ammount of kb that I can upload and it is a verry little ammount,maybe someone can guide me trough the process cause I tried to upload some pictures and it sais that I have too much and that it cannot upload,I always have minimaly 4 pictures and sometimes even more so if someone knows how to upload my gallery or something that I can post fell free to help cause I have gone trough the shroomery search function and read trough treads and didnt find anything but some links to upload and tried it and it didnt do nothing!
thanks and sorry for the long post
well this is the first long post ive read, so cheers for that haha. and it was written fairly intelligently as well.. you also dont seem as ignorant as i first perceived.
that being said, i completely understand where youre coming from, and why youre doing what youre doing. honestly, as long as you are enjoying your time with this hobby, thats what matters!
just one BIG tip. use a program like paint to make your pictures smaller. then they will upload here no problem. no one here wants to go off site. me included.
good luck with this and future grows bud (;
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Here is a link to a program I use to resize photos...
Has lots of options and even does conversions, some editing, etc.
Not sure if this is the totally free version or not, but the one I use is the same program:
http://download.cnet.com/FastStone-Photo-Resizer/3000-2192_4-10319476.html
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thanks I will try it definitively...I gotta tell you I stayed shocked,I was sleeping and didnt go to the shroom room so they were left in a little more darkness than the rest of days and as I opened the monotub...I was like what the f..k
The mushrooms literally doubled in size,they are falling all over and touching the sides of the monotub...idk is that ok I think can it cause harm cause there is most water droplets there,the stems are about 7 to 8cm long on the tallest mushrooms...I was like omg omg omg omg...in that southpark episode



and yea the veils still havent broke...how long will this things grow they will all tangle up the way they are growing but it looks kinda cool
p.s. I didnt upload to shrommery this is the best thing I can do for now,no need to zoom in cause you can see it all perfectly fine and it is directly on the site
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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damn those look good. should be ready to harvest in another day or so.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Munchauzen]
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Munchauzen said: damn those look good. should be ready to harvest in another day or so.
I don't think they will be ready, the veil is still pretty intact, they are not as big as they look. And shouldn't the caps open and look a little more like umbrella, take in consideration the fact that I am trying to take spore prints and maybe clone some mushroom tissue.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Yeah, some, if not all will be at that point in another day or so. They grow fast.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Munchauzen]
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Yeaaaa buddy!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Munchauzen]
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Munchauzen said: Yeah, some, if not all will be at that point in another day or so. They grow fast.
Cool
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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Ok so they opened and on 10 percent of them the veil is broken,they havent all opened maybe around 50% I am planing to leave them for another 12 hours and then they will mostly be ok for harvesting,I dont know how long till they start dropping spores,


If I harvest in 12 hours I think a bigger percentage will have their veil broken
Can some of the experienced growers suggest from which mushrooms do I take prints I need around 6 spore prints
And can someone choose one mushroom that I can tear open to use some tissue culture for agar plates
You can use paint and circle the ones for PRINTS IN GREEN CIRCLE and the best one for TISSUE CULTURE IN RED CIRCLE
Thanks everybody for your help and information it has been a nice experience to learn for you even you bugged me a little,I am not mad on anyone I know you just wanted the best for me...tnx alot
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23419222 - 07/07/16 05:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should take prints from any of your mushrooms, that doesn't matter much. Clones should be taken from the ones that you like best, no one can tell you what you will like best. Some good options are fastest growers, biggest clusters, tallest/thickest fruits etc. Just pick a couple of good ones and grow them out.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Supalemonhaze]
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Supalemonhaze said: You should take prints from any of your mushrooms, that doesn't matter much. Clones should be taken from the ones that you like best, no one can tell you what you will like best. Some good options are fastest growers, biggest clusters, tallest/thickest fruits etc. Just pick a couple of good ones and grow them out.

print anything. clone from clusters or large fruits.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Munchauzen]
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thanks,I will probably do it tonight or tommorow,I dont want to harvest to early while they still have a chance to grow out a little
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23419374 - 07/07/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those will be black tomorrow bro
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I think about harvesting tonight,The veil just broke on only few ones,I will take them for prints and harvest the rest,they are in dark the lights will go on in about 8 hours so that is probably when I will harvest most of them
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You're gonna wanna harvest those sooner than later. If you leave them too long they will look like this
 8 hours won't look that bad ^ but will definitely yield a spore dump from some of the bigger ones But good work on those regardless
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: SloppyJoseph]
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This is what I wanted pics of looks sweet mate
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mrmazdarx9]
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thanks,I saw a lot of people trying to get that maximum potency stuff and I saw a lot of people harvesting when it start to drop some spores,most of the cubies will be a little bigger and aproximately ready cause there are a lot of potential ones that are still small...I think they will come out just fine when I take them down...
Now...I was wondering what is a good and cheap way to dry them out without losing to much potency,will a box with some newspaper below the mushies and a fan blowing at them do the trick?
I dont have a dehydrator or any of that type of equipment I will have to dry them out in a natural way,I can help with some warmth and a fan blowing at them and that kind of stuff,I dont have silica gel or any type of stuff like that...I cant put them in an oven it will have to be something simple
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23419500 - 07/07/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got a dehydrator for £20 off eBay best guaranteed method and quickest alternatively if you have a fan assisted oven wack em in there with the door open slightly? The natural method of drying or slow methods cause oxidation and could reduce potency
Edit just seen you can't use oven
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mrmazdarx9]
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so heat and fresh air ecxchange is what are you basically saying to me
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23419540 - 07/07/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am already thinking about making a cardboard box and putting a little fan operated heater that doesnt blast off too much temperature and acoompany that with a fan to give it as much air as possible,it should work as a dehydrator,I googled how does a dehydrator works so I got bassicaly all of that elements...I will try that,I doent have a oven so that is not possible I will have to make it by hand,a little heater and a fan and we will see how it goes,they should be dry very fast with that method
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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It will still take much longer than with a proper food dehydrator, most likely. Just bite the bullet and buy one for about $30.. You won't regret it. But if any of your fruits rot or don't get completely cracker snap dry and then rot, you will assuredly regret not buying one.
But if you can make it work, then more power to you. But if you plan to continue with this hobby, then you are gonna want one anyways, so why not just get it now, and dry the ones you have now properly.
Anyways, good job on the grow, and congratulations
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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ClintMassey said: I am already thinking about making a cardboard box and putting a little fan operated heater that doesnt blast off too much temperature and acoompany that with a fan to give it as much air as possible,it should work as a dehydrator,I googled how does a dehydrator works so I got bassicaly all of that elements...I will try that,I doent have a oven so that is not possible I will have to make it by hand,a little heater and a fan and we will see how it goes,they should be dry very fast with that method
they definitely WONT get cracker dry that way(by cracker dry, i mean that by splitting the stem you literally powder it). but they will dry out enough. ive been forced to use similar methods in the past, so i know it can work.
good luck.
p.s. i definitely agree with everyone saying to get a cheap dehydrator. its way worth the investment if you have even just enough to get one.. when i was forced to dry my mushrooms using fan and screen, its because i was at a cabin out in the woods.. and all the mushies were eaten within days anyway.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: MycoLoopology]
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if they arent 100% cracker dry, they simply are not "dry enough". any little bit of moisture WILL cause problems during storing.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
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spacechildo said: if they arent 100% cracker dry, they simply are not "dry enough". any little bit of moisture WILL cause problems during storing.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: MycoLoopology]
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I would hate to see those beautiful mushrooms not dried properly
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: SloppyJoseph]
#23419675 - 07/07/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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they just started to get some bruising on the caps now they look like zebras I will take them down in a hour or two maximum,I will try to find a dehydrator to buy here somewhere but I dont think I will find one and I almost ran out of my budget...but boy you should see them now i will take some beautifull pictures when I take them down maybe even make a video in the process,immediately I will take a few caps off and make prints,and idk that s about all I need
when I am finished with taking of prints I was planing to take those caps and put them in the rest of the mushrooms to dry out,I dont care if they loose some potency it will only be a few caps so it s not a big deal,and I dont worry about storaging them they will be eaten by my friends probably immediately hahaha
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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I found a dehydrator that I can buy here its pretty cheap like 20 something dollars,it runs on a temperature of 35 degrees celzius up to 70 degrees celzius is that ok,doesnt heat destroys psilocyn and psilocybin?plz answer quick I need to go buy it and harvest the mushrooms
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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yes that is perfect. 70c is what, about 160ishF? That's perfect. It doesn't harm them until it's at like 300f or something.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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sounds good!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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and one more question I saw that people take prints on blank paper,I have that paper for printing photos with glossy surface,I was thinkink about taking prints on that paper it is easier for me to stack mushrooms in a sterile box and take the prints on that paper than to mess with tin foil.btw i dont like thin foil so will paper for printing photos be ok once i sterilize the glossy surface and everything?it is thick enough and I wil store that paper in tin foil just dont want prints on tin foil cause it tends to tear up when you scrape of spores??? Sorry for so much questions
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
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The mushrooms ain't sterile so you won't need to sterilize paper if its new I'd probably give it a wipe down just to be safe
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23420146 - 07/07/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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And I had tried using methods that weren't a dehydrator, even when I could swear they were dry, after using a dehydrator I realized I would never be able to get them that dry
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: the_r3dz]
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the_r3dz said: And I had tried using methods that weren't a dehydrator, even when I could swear they were dry, after using a dehydrator I realized I would never be able to get them that dry
maybe the truest shit you ever said. without heat, they never get really dry.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23420424 - 07/07/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Funny you say that because I was just reading it thinking "what a terrible sentence" Hopefully I've done better than that :P
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: the_r3dz]
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Its all done...mushrooms are harvested
Total weight wet = 27oz or 770grams
Now I left 6 shrooms and I will take prints I dont know how much yield will it be after they get dehydrated but its a good harvest considering I only used 1 liter of grain spawn for that 3 trays
I am exhausted do I need to dunk my cakes immediately and put them in the fridge for a day or two or what now exactly,I am really tired and I would just really rather go to sleep but I know I have a lot of work,I picked almost every pinhead that was on the cake
I plan to dunk them and put them in spawning mode for a few more days till it recovers and do another flush I heard that the second flush is always better but the cakes are bruised as fuck,they are really looking shitty
And please can someone explain what to do with the cakes,should I throw them away cause they are really looking fucked or should I dunk them and do another flush once it recovers a little and what is the best course of action now,do I seperate every mushroom before it goes into dehydrator or can I put the whole bulk that are sticked to each another
I will take prints now and put the shrooms in the dehydrator can someone plz estimate how much will 27oz yield once they are dried???
Here are the pictures so you can take a better look and I want to say thanks to everybody for helping and bashing me so I dont fuck up something! Thank you alot from the bottom of my heart















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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23420491 - 07/07/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Really nice stuff man, I'm impressed.
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Yes like I said its a nice harvest for 1 liter of spawn grains...I didnt thought It would give so much shrooms
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23420569 - 07/07/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let the cakes sit for 2-3 days after harvest then dunk again for 24 hours for 2-3 more flushes.
Congrats on the haul. Some people work years to get pinsets like that.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Munchauzen]
#23420586 - 07/07/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yep, some people wish they could just dump a tray in antibiotics and get that...
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23420590 - 07/07/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23420615 - 07/07/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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dankington said: yep, some people wish they could just dump a tray in antibiotics and get that...
I told you guys antibiotics help mycellium development 
So, lets hear the experts.. How much grams should I expect after its dehydrated?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23420620 - 07/07/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you got real lucky, friend. but anyways. Good show!
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23420621 - 07/07/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said:
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dankington said: yep, some people wish they could just dump a tray in antibiotics and get that...
I told you guys antibiotics help mycellium development 
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23420643 - 07/07/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you got real lucky, friend. but anyways. Good show!
We'll see, I got 2 more grows going on, this time with a little bit more spawn As of Syzygy, I researched a lot about that strain and its history and it turns out that that strain particullary likes high RH% and low subtropical temperatures. So my constant misting and lower fruiting temperature was exactly what this strain gets in its natural enviroment, so it must have thrived in growth.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23420690 - 07/07/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice yeild good work
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23420729 - 07/07/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Better to harvest a bit early than a bit late. Your call though.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23420783 - 07/07/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said:
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I think you got real lucky, friend. but anyways. Good show!
We'll see, I got 2 more grows going on, this time with a little bit more spawn As of Syzygy, I researched a lot about that strain and its history and it turns out that that strain particullary likes high RH% and low subtropical temperatures. So my constant misting and lower fruiting temperature was exactly what this strain gets in its natural enviroment, so it must have thrived in growth.
Strains, or varieties, will all require the same fruiting conditions. As long as it's cubensis, you can grow them all the same.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Munchauzen]
#23420797 - 07/07/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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ClintMassey said:
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dankington said:
I think you got real lucky, friend. but anyways. Good show!
We'll see, I got 2 more grows going on, this time with a little bit more spawn As of Syzygy, I researched a lot about that strain and its history and it turns out that that strain particullary likes high RH% and low subtropical temperatures. So my constant misting and lower fruiting temperature was exactly what this strain gets in its natural enviroment, so it must have thrived in growth.
Strains, or varieties, will all require the same fruiting conditions. As long as it's cubensis, you can grow them all the same.
Yes but it is better to provide them with conditions they are naturally found in.
Once I put the Malabar strain into pinning, I will give it a little different approach trying to mimic more of the India climate and conditions because it originated from there. So, they will get warmer temps, and less RH%.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23420803 - 07/07/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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No it's really not. Mexican cubes still like 70F as much as APE and Malabar and Costa Rica, Thai Lipa whatever the fuck, etc.
There are no cubes that are like "Fuck this 75F shit, I need 100F temps like my native habitat"
I run into a lot less of a problems with people being wrong than I do with people being wrong but acting like they're definitely right because they said so and it must be true.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Inocuole]
#23420958 - 07/07/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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less of a problem with people being wrong than you do with people being wrong?
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23420966 - 07/07/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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.... Uh.
(People who are wrong) > (People who are wrong, but can't accept it)
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Inocuole]
#23420969 - 07/07/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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aaaah. :lightbulb: trueness.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23421133 - 07/07/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont feal like trying to explain basic principles of nature and biology but every living organism on this planet need specific conditions "in which they thrive" yes you can grow every cubensis in the same way but...there is a reason why they grow naturally where they grow and they have been growing there for a long time so they addapted to that kind of environment
I ve heard an expression a cube is a cube but that is not my philosophy and I consider people who have that kind of mind state a little limited in the head
If you are going to spill theories about nature I will not take part in this conversation anymore
Every living being has its own conciousness and mushrooms may have a collective consiousness but they have intelligence,it is not intelligence like we consider it to be but they know what they need to know
I will give you an example of what I am trying to tell you,I have a friend with who I started to grow Cannabis a long time ago,we started in the same time,we grew strains of cannabis and shared with each other and stuff and he was growing really excellent weed,way better than shit you can buy...few times I got fucked up from a blunt that I was litteraly close to a heart attack or passing out and shit,like I said way much better weed than you can buy,and I also grew amazing weed,I never ever bought weed that was good as the shit I grew on my own We were both a part of a community that was something like this only balcanian,I was in grow support and he was a moderator,I teached people to grow and he regulated the forums and stuff like that,as time passed he opened up a grow shop and he was given access to new technologies,nutrients,substrates and he started growing weed that looked insanely dank but he grew it without love that he had before,he started to follow certain rules and feeding schedules and though he had the best substrates and fertilizers and soil additives and all that shit,lights,ventilation and everything, his weed grew into a perfect looking stinkiest dankest most crystally bud I have ever seen in my entire life,I grew organic and made my own fertilizer literally from my own piss and stuff like that...I wont go into details but long story short he got the most insane looking weed and I got dank looking normal weed that wasnt as pretty and crystally as his,my buds was a lot smaller and all that but his weed lost something very important
you could smoke a whole bunch of that shit even though it looked amazing and you would fear at first to even smoke that shit,I literally thought man if I smoke this shit I will pass the fuck out or get hospitalized or some shit...and in the end it didnt worked shit,I took my weed like 0,3 grams and rool that shit and got blasted,and I could burn his shit whole day and I wouldnt even get high
If you get my point than you get it,there is a message in this story and its not stupid I just havent said it,there are things we cannot really understand in life,not yet maybe one day but for now we cannot,but there is something,in that way you gotta look with an open mind and stop creating your own prison with all of that imaginative rules that you inherited from others,people have amazing possibilities that they arent even aware of...idk I will not let myself to get constricted by rules and theories,my imagination is very strong,almost so strong that I can see things I imagine and my brain is an electromagnet that transmits and recieves electromagnetic waves,I ve been in shamanic states where I communicated with plants and weird shit like that,First time I got in contact with mushrooms I got such intense experiences and they teached me something about them that only they can teach a person,they showed me parts and bits of knowledge I cannot explain in words but since than I know there is something more about them that you can put into pure science and create rules and stuff...idk I lost my tgought pattern I am to tired
I m gonna go sleep it has been a long day you guys enjoy...peace
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Inocuole]
#23421145 - 07/07/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23421181 - 07/07/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said:
I ve heard an expression a cube is a cube but that is not my philosophy and I consider people who have that kind of mind state a little limited in the head
This is so wrong, I don't even know where to begin to correct it.
By your understanding, humans that live in europe will have different needs than people living in the US. Nope, the difference is in the way they look, much like mushrooms.
Cubes are definitely cubes, some will prefer certain conditions over others but that is only because of the genetic variety in the strains. A GT strain will behave totally different than another GT strain just because the strains that make both of them up are different, not because of where they were grown.
You will become "simple minded" soon enough if you ever decide to forget all about the nonesense and focus on what matters. If you don't, you will end up like the idiots of the shroomery who think that bacterial blotch is overlay or who swear that desiccant dehydration is the best way to preserve potency.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23421203 - 07/07/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: Every living being has its own conciousness and mushrooms may have a collective consiousness but they have intelligence,it is not intelligence like we consider it to be but they know what they need to know
Interesting but I have to disagree. Humans have a collective consiousness in almost exactly the same way as our shroomin counterparts yo... Our mycelium network just aint something thats physical, but we're all instances of the same one. And as for the rest of your post all I have to say is strains of weed and strains of cubes are apples and oranges. Cubes ARE cubes my friend
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23421209 - 07/07/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jesus Christ not this again. Why do you think you know more about growing cubes that the people who have been doing it for (sometimes) over 10, hell even 20 years. Like seriously. How narcissistic do you have to be?? It literally baffles me. I didn't even read past the first two sentences, and I know I didn't even need to, to come to that realization. It's literally crazy.
So just accept that you aren't always right, sometimes, ok? You just aren't. And that's ok. But pretending you are always right isn't gonna help you. You will never learn anything that way. Not to mention it bugs the shit out of almost everyone else.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ComebackKid]
#23421213 - 07/07/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can get as close as you can to your cube's natural habitat, while a more experienced grower will just do what he always does and blow your grow out of the water.
Focus on what's important, not theories which you can never confirm.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23421218 - 07/07/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also, I forgot who said, but how often do you see nature grow a full huge canopy? Huh? How often? We usually kick nature's ass, even on a bad day.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mupetmower]
#23421219 - 07/07/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23421295 - 07/07/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yep, can't read this dude's posts, can't take him seriously.
Tell us bro. Tell us about all the different cubes you've personally grown and eaten. Tell us about how some of them liked to be really dry, some only liked to grow on banana leaves and perlite, and some of them liked exactly 92F more than 91F or 93F. I'm dying to hear how different they all are in the mind of someone who doesn't even know when to harvest.
Bet I can't get a dignified response to that. Thread's over guys, let's go home.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Inocuole]
#23421323 - 07/07/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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But, but... it's from India dude. How can it be the same as one that grows in Brazil? It's not like they are both the same species or anything.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23421331 - 07/07/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are animals that eat foliage and go on to shit at some point in their lives on pretty much every major landmass that's worth a damn.
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