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ClintMassey
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: LocN9ne]
#23413661 - 07/05/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said:
 Just when I'm like "this dude is coming around" , you go talking about putting perlite in your sub, and following your gut instead of the actual tried and true process... Smgdh... Some people's kids.
Dont worry it will turn out fine...I can always add some coco as a casing if it doesnt turn out as good as I think it will,enjoy the show maybe you stay surprised in the end I making another one with 2 more trays just like this one only adding some more vermiculte and a little perlite in the mix its pausterizing right now and soon it will be fine,I just want to try an idea about the caing,If I cased with only vermiculite it would be fine right,perlite and vermiculite are not so different actually...the point of the casing is to introduce the mycelium to a substrate that it cannot inoculate so it tries to burst trough it and create mushrooms cause it gets the sinal that there is no more food source right??? So what if I put some perlite it is still a non organic substrate same as vermiculite only it retains water a little less and gives some aeration to the mix,pure vermiculite doesnt pin as good as I would want it to so that is the main reason I am putting some perlite in the mix to aerate,It will produce pins for sure only it will have to be taken care of little more what suits me,it still has the vermiculite,its not like I am putting vermiculite out of the game,so I dont see the reason to get so cranky over some perlite sorry for the longer text I wanted to give you the idea of what I am planing to do and why
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Edited by ClintMassey (07/05/16 12:46 PM)
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413707 - 07/05/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: perlite and vermiculite are not so different actually...
actually,they are complete opposite. verm can absorb tons of water while perlite is a rock that doesnt absorb anything. perlite has a huge surface because of the irregular shape and can allow lots of water to evaporate from it. perlite has been used in casing layers, not bulk subs.
you might as well add gravel to your subs
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ClintMassey
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413750 - 07/05/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am digging alot of info from mycotopia and other forums,people actually used perlite instead of vermiculite and got great results they even posted pictures of the procedure,idk I will give it a try,in this one I simply put spawn on the bottom and did a perlite vermiculite casing on top of that,just to initiate pining easier and get more pins,that is all I want the casing to be more aerated so it will give a little more room for the mycelium net and vermiculite to keep it humid enough trough the process If it doesnt work out I will simply scrape the goddamn thing and put coco,at the time I only had perlite and vermiculite,Thinked about it for some time,did some reading and figured out that it wont cause any problems cause of its structure,its just volcanic glass compressed...I will ask you nicely please dont judge it before you see if it works out,dont talk about it or share your thoughts,I know that people here arent using it but it can be used and I am always for experimenting and trying out different stuff so let it be an experiment,If it fails than you can bash the shit out me verbaly...ok??? thank you in advance
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ClintMassey
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23413761 - 07/05/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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ClintMassey said: perlite and vermiculite are not so different actually...
actually,they are complete opposite. verm can absorb tons of water while perlite is a rock that doesnt absorb anything. perlite has a huge surface because of the irregular shape and can allow lots of water to evaporate from it. perlite has been used in casing layers, not bulk subs.
you might as well add gravel to your subs 
Yes spacechildo you are right,its not a rock its volcanic glass actually and it holds air better but still it can absorb some moisture and I didnt put it in the mix,i did a last layer over the substrate,the layer which is supposed to activate the pinning mode better,if mycelium bumps into anything non organic it forms a net trough it,perlite wont stop the mycelium or get in its way it will just aerate the humid vermiculite a little,and with a little more care it will retain moisture all the time,it is already planned,I did it on malabar,I added a little to the coco cir with some vermiculite,but I added finer graded perlite not the big lumps of it,I have it in differeent sizes and shapes from fine dust to little rocks that crack into smaller rocks if you press them
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ClintMassey
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413770 - 07/05/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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look at this one
Let me find a pic in the old mycotopia archives. Its so old its a webcam pic. I cased w/ perlite and got about 200 fruits from a little round tray... When I worked on a farm one summer the grower used perlite in his casing. Made for some monster-meaty fruits. Sucked to bite into though!!  heres the harvest off a 10" round tray (a clear plastic flower pot saucer.)
Edited by ClintMassey (07/05/16 01:17 PM)
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413775 - 07/05/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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perlite doesnt absorb ANY water.
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ClintMassey said: I am digging alot of info from mycotopia and other forums
there's your problem right there. topia is known as a joke forum, you're not even allowed to tell people about better ways to grow there its all thumbs up and you can do it baby! 
but seriously, stop reading offsite info you're getting a lot of bad info.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23413782 - 07/05/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: look at this one
When I worked on a farm one summer the grower used perlite in his casing.
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spacechildo said: perlite has been used in casing layers, not bulk subs.
exactly... but dont go swapping perlite for verm.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413800 - 07/05/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vermiculite is a hydrous phyllosilicate mineral. It undergoes significant expansion when heated. Exfoliation occurs when the mineral is heated sufficiently, and the effect is routinely produced in commercial furnaces. Vermiculite is formed by weathering or hydrothermal alteration of biotite or phlogopite
Perlite is an amorphous volcanic glass that has a relatively high water content, typically formed by the hydration of obsidian. It occurs naturally and has the unusual property of greatly expanding when heated sufficiently. It is an industrial mineral and a commercial product useful for its light weight after processing.
Dont worry I am just doing it to see will it increase or help in any way with the pinning process or number of pins that form on top of the pure spawn...its not like I am planning to do it all the time,maybe if it shows good results as a casing for pure spawn,I m not doint anything extraordinary just experimenting a little,it doesnt hurt to try and maybe it will help to form shitload of pins we will see
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413824 - 07/05/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Would adding perlite on top actually increase the evaporation off the substrate?
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wowimflabbergasted said: Would adding perlite on top actually increase the evaporation off the substrate?
yes. if you want something to dry faster, pour perlite on it. like your laundry for example.
 
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23413875 - 07/05/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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wowimflabbergasted said: Would adding perlite on top actually increase the evaporation off the substrate?
yes. if you want something to dry faster, pour perlite on it. like your laundry for example.
  
And what is the main thing that triggers pinning,misting and evaporation,that is the natural biorhytm that activates mushroom fruiting or I am wrong...I seem to read about it on the shroomery quite a few time from the trusted cultivators themselves...If you do enough misting and fanning a day it should not be a problem at all or am I wrong somebody please correct me...
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413881 - 07/05/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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build your fc properly and you wont have to mist. fanning has no point in a properly built fc. fc's dialed in for max FAE can get misted once every other day or so to keep from drying out. FC's with holes are automated.
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ClintMassey
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413888 - 07/05/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes I know temperature drop too,but hydration and evaporation of the substrate,in which case I just thought well if I am misting and fanning like 8 times a day sometimes even more,that is acctually a good thing,I can put more moisture to avoid aborts and they wont be affected cause perlite contributes to easier evaporation of the substrate and one thing led to another I decided to try the damn layer and we will see...I personally think it will be interesting
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413901 - 07/05/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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if you mist too often that will cause aborts. You dont need to worry about getting to good pinsets for the sub to have enough water just yet 
the mushrooms and myc wants to have all their air exchanged 4-6 times pr hr, not 8 times a day. so instead of fanning we drill holes. let it happen automatically.
mushrooms really do best if you leave them alone, they dont like too much messing around IME.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413913 - 07/05/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can hurt myc from fanning. It turns yellow; it's like a wind burn.
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ClintMassey
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23413938 - 07/05/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: build your fc properly and you wont have to mist. fanning has no point in a properly built fc. fc's dialed in for max FAE can get misted once every other day or so to keep from drying out. FC's with holes are automated.
Thanks for letting me know,so can you please explain why do people build shotgun fruiting chambers for cakes that have more fae an monotubs for bulk substrates that has lesser fae so they put fans to get some better fae in monotubs,In colonization mycelium needs GE am I right,i am not sure about pinning cause I give it alot of fresh air,it is to help evaporate the moisture from all the fanning but i dont know is it really nedded,some grow kits out there dont alow fae while pining,maybe once a day while you open the grow bag and mist then close it up again...yet they still pin fine and give some good fruits,I m not saying anything but that is what bugs me,when colonization of casing takes place people advise that you stuff you bottom holes tighter with polyfill but higher holes with lesser polyfill or I got something mixed up here,what is the purpose actually,I want to do it all by hand,I like to go and open my monotub,see how it is acting and then fan If I have to,give it some fresh air and then close it and I do it minimum 6 times a day,more when the lights are turned off then when they are on...There is very much theory involved in all that,I try to catch a clue in what is the best thing but pastywhite sais one thing,another dude says something different,I mean...what the fuck you do what is best suited for you,and gives you best results with time and you can only find out that by really experimenting... I think that s the point I was trying to make
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ClintMassey
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23413949 - 07/05/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: if you mist too often that will cause aborts. You dont need to worry about getting to good pinsets for the sub to have enough water just yet 
the mushrooms and myc wants to have all their air exchanged 4-6 times pr hr, not 8 times a day. so instead of fanning we drill holes. let it happen automatically.
mushrooms really do best if you leave them alone, they dont like too much messing around IME.
Fuck my life yesterday I looked at a thread and I think it was supalemonhaze that said that aborts are caused by not misting to much,it was something about why the most pins grow near the soaked perlite down on the cakes,I think it was that pins wont abort if you give them enough moisture,only if they dry out to much then they abort...hmm see what I mean,there is a lot of theory around everything so that s why I like to look at them as much as I can and adjust the environment when I see that something is not as it should be,I mean I know mushrooms create C02 but they cannot file the entire monotub in few minutes or an hour,If you give them totaly fresh air a couple times a day plus the gas exchange they get from polyfill in a monotub isnt that enough? I didnt know that you can hurt mycelium with faning,that is why I mist before I fan everytime...
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ClintMassey
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23413969 - 07/05/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will post a video of exactly what I do when I go to look at the mushies,I am just exporting it and then I will upload a video here on the page,I found a site where you dont need to give your e mail and shit,something anonymous so I will make videos with that,you can see everything best cause I have a pretty good camera,it has amazing macro and stuff so once the movie exports I will paste the url link to it so you can see and listen to my bad english a little more and get some great hd video of the cakes from all the angles possible
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
#23414116 - 07/05/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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we use sgfc for cakes because they are so small they need the perlite in the chamber to help them from drying out too fast.
bulk subs are too big to put in a sgfc, imagine how big the sgfc must be to put a 66qt monotub worth of sub in it.
sgfc has so much fresh air you gonna have to mist your cakes. monotub you control with amount of poly in the holes. its a big myc cake and doesnt need a perlite chamber to support it. it has 4-5qts of water in it already.
2 very different teks, dont get them mixed up.
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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
#23415902 - 07/06/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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here are the babies today,they are growing up
https://vid.me/z9YH
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