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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23391234 - 06/28/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

but you dont use pesticides for fish on humans or mushrooms. it's just common sense.

I did search the active ingredient and the product name and couldn't find anything myco related,
if you did it could be an interesting read.


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
    #23391240 - 06/28/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

its the walls of text i cant get past. i cant even read it unfortunately. my eyes are too shit.


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23391244 - 06/28/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It LOOKS bacterial. What you see as normal and healthy mycelium is what WE see as bacterial spawn. The mycelium you are producing is acting strangely, and is becoming aerial, thick and white. Indicative of a bacteria problem.

There isn't a way to cure a bacterial contamination if it's deeply embedded in the mycelium and has already stuck with it since the start. It's done the damage already. Don't dunk anything else in antibiotics. If you are lucky, you'll still get a few mushrooms from this. If you just try and fruit it as normal.



Can this be due to improper environment maybe,to dry air,to warm temperatures,and stuff like that and maybe doesnt need to be a contamination at all,I havent seen such contaminations that bruise when you press them and that doesnt have a distinct smell of somekind,I ve seen it on agar and in jars but Idk i havent seen one bruising blue when you press it,I ve seen some pretty weird stuff do to impromer environment that looks like contamination to me and its not its just different,you all use teks that are tried over and over again I did this simply from my head,I used some colonized spawn,it wasnt bacterial by smell or looks and I shaked it for the third time,It colonized pretty fast and agressive id didnt have any spots that didnt colonized so I would assume there is some problems or hidden contams they were the purest colonies I have,for every tray of 2 liters I used 700 ml of spawn and the rest was twice pasteurized coco coir with a few grabs of vermiculite that is barely noticeable like few handfulls on 9 liters of coco and yes it did look weird to me too but I havent ever got that spider web like mycelium that you het on your casings and that looks strange to me,I only saw pf cakes and bulks in soil and stuff like that so that wasnt looking to weird to me,I just didnt grew mushies for a long time so I wanted to be sure if it is growing ok cause it was growing pretty fast and dense like it is just eating the coco coir insted of using it as a casing layer


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23391256 - 06/28/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

you're making an awful lot of assumptions clint,on how we do things, even where I live :lol:
and bacteria isnt a contam mold its just a bacteria that's making your mycelium sick.

dont be so defensive, no one's attacking you we're trying to get you on the right path :super: just doing random stuff because you think it might work really isnt a good way to cultivate.


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
    #23391273 - 06/28/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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but you dont use pesticides for fish on humans or mushrooms. it's just common sense.

I did search the active ingredient and the product name and couldn't find anything myco related,
if you did it could be an interesting read.



I havent used the specific name of the ingredient I just digged around on google with stuff like can you kill bacteria and not fungi,and can you klll bacterial contaminations in mushroom growing,I even tryied it in my language cause there are many edible mushroom producers here so there are some texts on my native lagnuage about that,on other forums I read some different stuff about H2O2 that you guys are talking about here,everywhere people say different stuff and experiences so a person can get a little confused,and yea I thought I said already the mushrooms are not for eating but for spore production nothing more,and the safe waiting period is about a week for this dosage and it is used only for fish and organisms that have organs so it doesnt apply on mushrooms cause mushrooms doesnt have any of that stuff in them...I dont think that it will do any real damage if you even eat the mushroom,now I probably prolonged the whole process so I think it will be some time even if it sucesfully removed all bacteria and colonises full,I will put a vermiculite casing layer on top just to see how will mycelium react to non organic layer and will it be more like your casings that colonizes in a spider web type


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
    #23391282 - 06/28/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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you're making an awful lot of assumptions clint,on how we do things, even where I live :lol:
and bacteria isnt a contam mold its just a bacteria that's making your mycelium sick.

dont be so defensive, no one's attacking you we're trying to get you on the right path :super: just doing random stuff because you think it might work really isnt a good way to cultivate.



Thank you for that,I understand but it is noticeable that people here are pretty focused on something and they force it,I ve seen people that have mold contams and grow their mushrooms and they are edible but here its like throw it away throw it away its shit,do it again,it makes me aggitated and I have psychotic disorders so I can get upset sometimes I am sorry if I get all cocky I just want to save my strain and I will try anything I can get my hands and mind on before I toss it away...plain as that I hope you can understand that,its the last of my strain


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23391320 - 06/28/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Just trying to help, man. No one is forcing you to do anything.


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington] * 1
    #23391389 - 06/28/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You don't save a bacterial substrate man, if you could save them,  we wouldn't even bother trying to get clean specimens to begin with.  There are nearly unlimited kinds of bacteria and the kind that like grains and manure and stuff like that are totally different from the kinds that infect living creatures.  We didn't tell you it was bacterial so you would run out and try to fix it, it was just a heads up.  It would have had a lot better chances if you had done nothing to it is what we're saying.  You only see mycelium but the bacteria is microscopic, it's woven in with the mycelium and it causes it to change shape, which is how we can tell.  It'll all still bruise and that might seem like a good sign, but there's still bacteria in there, and now that the mycelium is bruised and weak, it's going to really take over.

I'd have really just left it alone...


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23391453 - 06/28/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It LOOKS bacterial. What you see as normal and healthy mycelium is what WE see as bacterial spawn. The mycelium you are producing is acting strangely, and is becoming aerial, thick and white. Indicative of a bacteria problem.

There isn't a way to cure a bacterial contamination if it's deeply embedded in the mycelium and has already stuck with it since the start. It's done the damage already. Don't dunk anything else in antibiotics. If you are lucky, you'll still get a few mushrooms from this. If you just try and fruit it as normal.



Can this be due to improper environment maybe,to dry air,to warm temperatures,and stuff like that and maybe doesnt need to be a contamination at all,I havent seen such contaminations that bruise when you press them and that doesnt have a distinct smell of somekind,I ve seen it on agar and in jars but Idk i havent seen one bruising blue when you press it,I ve seen some pretty weird stuff do to impromer environment that looks like contamination to me and its not its just different,you all use teks that are tried over and over again I did this simply from my head,I used some colonized spawn,it wasnt bacterial by smell or looks and I shaked it for the third time,It colonized pretty fast and agressive id didnt have any spots that didnt colonized so I would assume there is some problems or hidden contams they were the purest colonies I have,for every tray of 2 liters I used 700 ml of spawn and the rest was twice pasteurized coco coir with a few grabs of vermiculite that is barely noticeable like few handfulls on 9 liters of coco and yes it did look weird to me too but I havent ever got that spider web like mycelium that you het on your casings and that looks strange to me,I only saw pf cakes and bulks in soil and stuff like that so that wasnt looking to weird to me,I just didnt grew mushies for a long time so I wanted to be sure if it is growing ok cause it was growing pretty fast and dense like it is just eating the coco coir insted of using it as a casing layer



Nope it's not due to environment unfortunately. It's due to dirty spawn. How did you inoculate your grains? Did you use and SAB? That's not contamination bruising and smelling like fresh mushrooms. That's your mycelium. What you see IS mycelium, but te underlying bacterial contamination is making it do weird shit. So what you see is mycelium, but it's mycelium intertwined with bacteria. Te bacteria and mycelium are battling for control of the show, the mycelium may put up a fight and push out some shrooms, but the bacteria will eventually triumph and those things are gonna turn green. Only time will tell.


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23391924 - 06/28/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The best course of action with bacteria is to just ignore it like its not there. You can get fruits more often than not.

severely bacterial bottle grow:


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23392736 - 06/29/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks alot for a little specific explanation,as I did what I did,dipped the whole cakes in a bactericid solution and let it sit for sometimes,I hope that God will be good and kill those little suckers if they are there,everything looks ok for now,only time will tell...its just fanning and waiting from now on,If it is a bacterial contamination its not a big one and that s a release maybe the mushrooms can overcome the little suckers especially after the soaking in the solution and rinsing,everything is sterilized and I am starting new spawns but this time I will do some precaution measures and sterilize a little better cause im using autoclavable bags with microfilters,and yes the air here is my biggest problem,I do everything very clean and sterilize myself a few times as I do it,I try to be quick and still shit happens,I would blame the pourly made filters on my jars for that but who knows,we shall see once the bags arrive,they should be here by tommorow


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23393257 - 06/29/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I do everything very clean and sterilize myself a few times as I do it




:bananadance:


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23393260 - 06/29/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks alot for a little specific explanation,as I did what I did,dipped the whole cakes in a bactericid solution and let it sit for sometimes,I hope that God will be good and kill those little suckers if they are there,everything looks ok for now,only time will tell...its just fanning and waiting from now on,If it is a bacterial contamination its not a big one and that s a release maybe the mushrooms can overcome the little suckers especially after the soaking in the solution and rinsing,everything is sterilized and I am starting new spawns but this time I will do some precaution measures and sterilize a little better cause im using autoclavable bags with microfilters,and yes the air here is my biggest problem,I do everything very clean and sterilize myself a few times as I do it,I try to be quick and still shit happens,I would blame the pourly made filters on my jars for that but who knows,we shall see once the bags arrive,they should be here by tommorow



Do you use an SAB? You aren't supposed to work quick, you are supposed to work deliberately with proper sterile technique, in a Still Air Box.


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
    #23393646 - 06/29/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I do everything very clean and sterilize myself a few times as I do it




:bananadance:




How can you neuter yourself more than once?
Human skin is never sterile.

If you want to get close, you can wear a painter's tyvek suit while you work, tape gloves to your hands and wear a facemask while working in a SAB.


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
    #23393675 - 06/29/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

come on in kids, dinner time, dont forget to sterilize your hands before eating!


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
    #23393693 - 06/29/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:noob: :fire:


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23393759 - 06/29/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

wait, you guys dont wipe your hands with ISO and then flame them before each transfer/inoc?

pft. newbs.


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mupetmower]
    #23394222 - 06/29/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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wait, you guys dont wipe your hands with ISO and then flame them before each transfer/inoc?

pft. newbs.



I accidentally did that one time... The hair grew back just fine.


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
    #23394957 - 06/29/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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come on in kids, dinner time, dont forget to sterilize your hands before eating!




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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: Inocuole]
    #23400028 - 07/01/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I would like to start another one but im not sure about the spawn,as you are all experts can a tray be made from one of these jars,they were transfered g2g and 2 of them took of very quick and had a good look to them,the corn was a little to hydrated so some drops of water was present











Which ones are clean and which ones are contaminated cause Im guessing its the same type of contamination as before,bacterial and dont want waste the good ones mixing it with bad ones,cause some have a little stalled growth from what I see they are 8 or 9 days old from pc and transfering and shaken once so im suspecting on ones that are not fully colonized by now


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