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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Skellies]
    #23351635 - 06/16/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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every single country that has banned guns... its worked.





Australia's gun homicides dropped slightly but the rate of armed robbery increased and the overall homicide rate just fluctuated. Weather or not it works depends on what the goal is. If your only goal is to reduce gun related death/injury than gun control is great. In Australia you are more likely to be assaulted, burgled, and raped than in the US. Here a potential home invader has to consider if the victim has a firearm in the house which is a huge deterrent. Unsurprisingly, the states with the lowest violent crime rates, including homicide, here are the ones with the most lax gun control.

I'll take a slightly higher chance of being shot (which, statistically speaking, is extremely low anyways) over a more violent society.




pff... stop making up bullshit. show me your source on those horrible "facts" of you made up. Australia is so much more safer than murica its not funny.

correlation doesnt imply causation anyway.

Having a gun doesnt make your house safe. It makes it less safe. It often means you will confront a burgler rather than just letting him escape with property. Instead you risk your life for some worthless stuff. Not to mention the risk of family gun deaths. Home defence is the biggest fucking excuse.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23351716 - 06/16/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Lmao these arguments are great


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Skellies]
    #23351723 - 06/16/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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every single country that has banned guns... its worked.





Australia's gun homicides dropped slightly but the rate of armed robbery increased and the overall homicide rate just fluctuated. Weather or not it works depends on what the goal is. If your only goal is to reduce gun related death/injury than gun control is great. In Australia you are more likely to be assaulted, burgled, and raped than in the US. Here a potential home invader has to consider if the victim has a firearm in the house which is a huge deterrent. Unsurprisingly, the states with the lowest violent crime rates, including homicide, here are the ones with the most lax gun control.

I'll take a slightly higher chance of being shot (which, statistically speaking, is extremely low anyways) over a more violent society.




Thank you!!!  He gets it


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23351733 - 06/16/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Australia armed robbery:
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/robbery.html

International crime comparison:
http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf

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kakashi68 said:It often means you will confront a burgler rather than just letting him escape with property.




That's the point. Burglers will try to avoid confrontation in the first place. If a location is known for gun ownership then a potential burgler is less likely to do it.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Skellies]
    #23351808 - 06/16/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

at the end of the day even though I can buy a gun at a store I buy them from the same place my felon friends buy their guns. from people, usually chicago. stolen handguns or guns laundered through so many people usually registered to old or dead vets.

no one knows you own it, the tougher the regulations get the more the market expands for even less oversight. no law has ever thwarted the ingenuity of the people and the markets.

eventually people will just start making them in their garage with mills and 3d printers.

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23352333 - 06/16/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I think there's a shitload to be worked on within the culture of americans before mass shootings could be decreased.

However, limiting the sales of semi-auto weapons and huge magazines from here on out I think is a no brainer. Folks w/ hunting licenses, clear backgrounds, long standing firearm license holders should have access to these things for protection or enjoyment, I'm absolutely in agreement with that. But I don't think they should be so available as anyone being able to internet up an FFL and have mass murder tools delivered to withing 10 miles for pick up. I don't think taking a closer look and tinkering with the gun buying process is an infringement of rights.

in simpler terms; think about the bullshit you put up with to drive a vehicle (licensing, insurance, tickets, cops, etc) all in the name of public safety. It should def be easier to drive a car legally than to buy a high powered semi-auto rifle or high capacity magazines.

Maybe I'm just biased cause I'd love to see the value on my springfield 308 jump up.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
    #23352439 - 06/16/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I think there's a shitload to be worked on within the culture of americans before mass shootings could be decreased.

However, limiting the sales of semi-auto weapons and huge magazines from here on out I think is a no brainer. Folks w/ hunting licenses, clear backgrounds, long standing firearm license holders should have access to these things for protection or enjoyment, I'm absolutely in agreement with that. But I don't think they should be so available as anyone being able to internet up an FFL and have mass murder tools delivered to withing 10 miles for pick up. I don't think taking a closer look and tinkering with the gun buying process is an infringement of rights.

in simpler terms; think about the bullshit you put up with to drive a vehicle (licensing, insurance, tickets, cops, etc) all in the name of public safety. It should def be easier to drive a car legally than to buy a high powered semi-auto rifle or high capacity magazines.

Maybe I'm just biased cause I'd love to see the value on my springfield 308 jump up.




"It should def be easier to drive a car legally than to buy a high powered semi-auto rifle or high capacity magazines"

Because I can't drive my big truck 50 mph through a big crowd of people killing hundreds in a matter of seconds?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: qman]
    #23352477 - 06/16/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

uh-huh, classic qman, contrarian commentary to all things logical served up in the lowest fashion


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
    #23352528 - 06/16/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/08/who-killed-five-cyclists-in-kalamazoo.html

This asshole decided he wanted to kill a group of people riding their bikes one day, he also had plenty of anti-social rants online.

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: qman] * 1
    #23352955 - 06/16/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

So, any of you brave patriots going to overthrow a tyranny anytime soon?

Or are you just going to cry about your surrogate penises online?

Do you know why we don't care about guns in Aussie and NZ? Because people here aren't pants-wetting chickenshits who live in constant terror of the blacks coming to steal our 60-inch TVs.

Having a gun in your house makes you and everyone in your house much less safe. Why? Because they are many times more likely to get shot with that gun than they are likely to get protected.

Don't believe me? Look it up. Put down the banjo, change into a clean pair of underwear and do some research. If you own a gun, 95% chance the only person you will get to kill with it will be you.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Skellies]
    #23353037 - 06/16/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Australia armed robbery:
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/robbery.html

International crime comparison:
http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf

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kakashi68 said:It often means you will confront a burgler rather than just letting him escape with property.




That's the point. Burglers will try to avoid confrontation in the first place. If a location is known for gun ownership then a potential burgler is less likely to do it.




Burglers dont memorise every single house that has a gun.

Those stats are still bullshit US is ontop for most of it,

There also old and the international one even says its unreliable. Armed robbery includes knives. Homicide also does not mean gun homicides.

Your just wrong accept it. Your corrupt toxic culture makes all the excuses it wants in order to keep your guns that you dont need for whatever reason. Soon youll have a literal fucking evil corporate devil as your president. Just another reason for the world to laugh at you.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23353663 - 06/17/16 05:34 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

He meant location as in America people have the freedom to carry guns and often times criminals will account for this armorment. It is likely a big reason why crime increased in Australia increased after the ban.


But please answer this very pertinent question. Do you truly believe the government has more of an interest in your health and well being then your very self?

Do they have a track record of lying about substances like psilocybin and cannabis?

And do you think the black market check for background checks? Because prohibition will increase the black market

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon] * 1
    #23353708 - 06/17/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

hey answer this question; what about the multiple claims on here that you're comparing apples and oranges?

You've created an above and beyond description (like the rest of gun nuts following NRA suit) of gun prohibition that never has an inkling of resemblance of what the options we're looking at are, just 100% guns or no guns.

you are not representing reality truthfully, maroon.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
    #23353722 - 06/17/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yes I am.

If you prohibit guns then black market demand for these items increase. These are facts man

These prohibited items are now incentivized and trading increases and they do not background check.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: qman] * 1
    #23353724 - 06/17/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/08/who-killed-five-cyclists-in-kalamazoo.html

This asshole decided he wanted to kill a group of people riding their bikes one day, he also had plenty of anti-social rants online.




are you really goin to argue, taking the side of "cars are more dangerous than guns"?

you've got to be kidding right?

some real mental acrobatics required there


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
    #23353726 - 06/17/16 06:14 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

You are very good at ignoring what I actually say and claiming statements I have never said.



It is known and proven that when you prohibit any item that you increase the trade of these prohibited items in unregulated black markets.

These markets do no do background checks. So do you really believe increasing unregulated arm sales is going to aid?

And since everyone is oddly dodging this question.


Given the governments track record of Lying  about our safety and well being ( falsified wmds to start wars or lying about natural healing plants)

Do you reall trust them for your well being over yourself?


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

Edited by Maroon (06/17/16 06:16 AM)

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23353732 - 06/17/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes I am.

If you prohibit guns then black market demand for these items increase. These are facts man

These prohibited items are now incentivized and trading increases and they do not background check.





you misunderstand or misrepresent intentionally again, I'm not sure now.


You simply label it  "prohibition" and assume how it might work out. Here in reality we're all still talking about what different methods would be successful and least infringing.

multiple folks have pointed out the inaccuracies in your description and instead of attending to that you've steam rolled on thru just reiterating yourself.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
    #23353739 - 06/17/16 06:22 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Again you can limit guns for  "insert group here" and after this you will increase demand for "insert group here"  since after this they will no longer be able to acquire said items.

We know the effectiveness and the wiliness to abide by laws is no where near 100% and with each restriction you are just growing unregulated markets that do not do background checks

But please answer my question as I've answered yours

Given the horrible track record of governments, from lying about weapons of mass destruction to start unjust wars or lying about natural healing plants, do you really trust them over yourself for your well being????


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

Edited by Maroon (06/17/16 06:23 AM)

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23353849 - 06/17/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Still want to show every liberal kid how easy it is to buy a gun with no paperwork or registration. Half the felons I know own guns and they can't buy one no matter what they do. You don't even need a straw buyer, there's just that many for sale black market already

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
    #23353869 - 06/17/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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qman said:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/08/who-killed-five-cyclists-in-kalamazoo.html

This asshole decided he wanted to kill a group of people riding their bikes one day, he also had plenty of anti-social rants online.




are you really goin to argue, taking the side of "cars are more dangerous than guns"?

you've got to be kidding right?

some real mental acrobatics required there




Mental acrobats only required for people who don't like facts...



I've even use the most liberal source I could find to prove cars kill more than cars, but I wonder, how many of these auto deaths are suicide?


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