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Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation
    #23351568 - 06/16/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This a continuation from B+ Blob City, kinda...  Half of this thread is because I have some questions and would like some advice and/or reassurance for what i have decided to do. The other half is because i am just wanting people to see this craziness! haha..

I have never seen pins form on the bottom of a cake this bad. much less, every single cake in my SGFC! So now I am needing some advice and/or reassurance. Check this shit out:

So, i went to mist my cakes and noticed one had fell over. I had expected this, since it was leaning at about a 60 degree angle from all the pins forming on the bottom. I had no idea it was as bad as it was..

I have now put all the cakes on pencil holder bin things:








See, how many formed on the bottom???? Its crazy! I put them on these little plastic sink drain catchers, which have lots of holes in them, for water to strain out to go down the drain, still. i thought this would be a great idea, since it would let the moisture and FAE get to the surface on the bottom of the cake, instead of it sitting on something solid, and being cut off completely. I guess, since these are tall cakes, and since water inevitably runs down to the bottom, it created excellent conditions for pins to form down there.. The drain things have a bigger hole in their center, look what one of the cakes, which has fruits which are furthest to maturity:


I cant even get the damn thing off! hahah.. I guess ill let that mushroom grow as much as it can, before i have to rip it off.. unless you think it would be better to harvest that one, so others wont be as affected by the drain catcher? MEEEHHHHH....

and this one, which is about to do the same thing, but luckily hadnt grown into it that much, yet:


So, i decided to put them all like this:







So, now my concern is that I had just read someone saying how they heard that if you lay the cake on it's side, or flip it, or something, that the fruits will abort.. Which i dont really see why they would, so i would like that confirmed, if it is true.. If anything, doing this should help the cakes A LOT, compared to if they were just left to try to grow under it.. right? logically this makes more sense.

So, does anyone think this is going to be detrimental to the fruits? Or have I made the right move? Or does anyone have any further suggestions or comments about all this?

Please and thanks, everyone! :grin:


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: mupetmower]
    #23351631 - 06/16/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

MM.. Revert to standard pftek setup. Laying them right side up on foil. Those mushrooms are gonna grow however they want based on the microclimate they enjoy... You suspending them in the air will probably dry your cakes out. I'd say 50/50 chance they all abort.

It's not a bad thing a lot of people's shrooms grow from the bottom. And the blobs are making things weird so just run with it I'm sure you'll have good results, just... Don't do whatever you are about to do :lol:

Harvest that one shroom so you can pull it off the drain cover


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23351639 - 06/16/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

haah, ok.. i thought it might have been a good idea, but guess not. so youre saying just go back to standing them normally, and use foil? sounds good.

i was just worried that the bottom ones would abort with them being completely under the cake like that. but if you say so, i trust you.


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: mupetmower]
    #23351690 - 06/16/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I mean, they shouldn't have been bottom pinning in the first place, but that's what it is from fruiting on something with holes in it. Maybe, flip the cakes so the bottom pins are on top, and use the foil on lids on perlite. Other option is fuck all those bottom pins.. Rip them off until the cake can stand normally how it should and fix your conditions, the other pons will mature and you can start fresh with your second flush.


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23351738 - 06/16/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I went ahead and just sat them, as is, on foil. didnt flip them. thought about it, but said fuck it, and will just let these do what they want. only thing now, is im worried about pooling water on the foil, under the cake, since the cake is raised up. but we will see how it goes. the only reason i didnt flip them to begin with, is because i saw someone mention that it makes fruits abort. I dont know if this is true, and i dont see why it would ever happen. so i may do that, if you think its fine. considering how many pins/fruits there are on the bottom of each cake, i would rather save them if possible. i mean.. its a LOT..


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: mupetmower]
    #23351764 - 06/16/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah dude, flip them. I just think raising them on all sides a few inches about the ground would mess with the design, especially with all that extra shit in there. Flip the worst ones, leave the others :shrug:


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23351784 - 06/16/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

they are all the wrost ones... =p

but yeah, i dont see why flipping them would ever do anything to fuck them up... not sure why the person said that. cant even remember who it was, but they said they read that it would cause them to abort, but gave no reason. so... yeah..

im gonna flip em. logically, it shouldnt change anything, except giving those bottom pins better survival because they will have no pooling water and wont be crushed haha..

thanks sloppy. I literally have some more B+ jars that just finished, and am using at LEAST one to make some Gulps =]

hoping i have time to make the sub tomorrow. i should.

also have some AA+, which took fucking forever, that are almost done. but those are probably going to go into a new SGFC(that i still need to buy) since the culture seems to be pretty weak. dont wanna chance anything with breaking them up, and having to come back from all that.


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: mupetmower]
    #23351812 - 06/16/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I personally wouldn't flip, bottom/side pins on cakes and even bulk substrates often end up being the largest shrooms of the flush


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23351852 - 06/16/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i just dont see how they would survive though, since the would be getting drowned. But also, why would flipping cause them to be any different, other than the water that was dripping down to them, wont be anymore. they are still getting misted, though.

Before i even read that, though, i had already flipped them. This is what i meant by they are all the worst ones =p





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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: mupetmower]
    #23351866 - 06/16/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

the ones in my avatar were on the side of the liner pretty wet conditions considering I dumped water in between the substrate and liner


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23351875 - 06/16/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i mean... water will still be sorta pooling a little on the top, now that there are tons of fruits blocking the path to the sides. i think this will help more than hinder. and i think it will save some pins from abort, too. Just makes sense to me, this way.


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: mupetmower]
    #23351880 - 06/16/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23353985 - 06/17/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well, here is an update from the flip: 6/17/2016

So far, so good! they seem to be growing fine, and knots/blobs are continuing to form caps, and grow into normal-looking fruits. There are only a few actual blobs left, now. So, im very happy with how these are maturing. The one i had to harvest early, yesterday, because it was growing through the strainer thing, was really dense. So, im expecting these to put out a good weight, even if they dont grow super giant.

Here is how they look this morning:


The one on the bottom right will probably have to be harvested earlier than the rest. Seems its veil is already starting to separate for whatever reason.


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: mupetmower]
    #23354051 - 06/17/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

some veils tear early bud, just how it works i suppose. you probably dont need to pluck em but it cant hurt. i still think this looks fantastic though (:

the first post/pics were goofy looking haha. it gave me a laugh anyway.


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23354082 - 06/17/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

heh yeah, some just do what they want, when they want. i wont be getting ti until i need to though. leaving it til it opens its cap a little at least, since i wont be able to tell by normal veil break, it seems.


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: mupetmower]
    #23354100 - 06/17/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah dude those are looking pretty nice. keep up with misting, and make sure your conditions are perfect. Those are going to be some gnarly B+. My experience with B+ that blob are they are a little more potent, as well. so :super:


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Re: Need Advice on Changing a Cake's Orientation [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23354117 - 06/17/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

haha, well that would be a pleasant surprise! =]

yeah, ill keep up with the misting and all. Conditions in the room, for whatever reason, always seem to have the cakes drying out pretty quick after misting, even with a generous mist. Which is strange, because high humidity is a huge problem here.. even inside it is usually around 60% rh. but im around enough to care for them, so its all good. maybe the quick evap is why so many pins formed this time.


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