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We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition?
    #23349944 - 06/16/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

If there is anything to be learned from history it is the cyclical nature of things.

Many on here are well versed on the specific of why prohibition from a law  and actual enforcement standpoint can never succeed. These are well tested facts that the world has paid for with alcohol prohibition and still pays for with current failing prohibition enforcements.

Now I totally get knee jerk reactions and emotional appeal with very misleading scary word like "assault weapon"

But can someone tell me why we have so many proven instances that prohibition only compounds the issues around the prohibited item.

And we have millions of examples that prove this.


What is the validity to gun prohibition? To compound gun problems? As every other instance of prohibition brings markets deeper underground and  more unregulated. How is this safer?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23349961 - 06/16/16 06:59 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

It would be extremely difficult if not impossible with the millions of guns in America. Other countries have done, what I would call good with limiting guns. Do I think America can do it, no I do not.

Do I think we can do a better job? Yes there are things we can do to keep guns from people who shouldn't have them. That said is it a "cure" absolutely not there will still be people who get them without a doubt.

The US isn't ready for any of that IMO


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Citizen X]
    #23349964 - 06/16/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.


Ben Franklin


These words are true. By Powell have been conditioned the government can solve all problems with more money and armorments.


This is false in actuality we have been limiting our freedoms and relishing power to them and they have tricked us into begging for it


Simply pathetic


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23350024 - 06/16/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm really happy that New Zealand got rid of its guns a long time ago.

You can still get one to hunt, but the microdick reasons like "home defence" (lol) are not sufficient to get a gun here.

I can walk around without fear of getting shot by a microdick. I'm generally pretty happy about that and would vote against any party that wanted to liberalise access to guns.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: viktor] * 1
    #23350037 - 06/16/16 07:30 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sorry you have been tricked to believe that home defense is laughable. It's a freedom we take very seriously in America.

We also know the real reason of our second amendment was to keep arms against a tyrannical government in check.

In these days they have conditioned people to falsely think that government can protect themselves better than one can protect themselves. This is false and one who limits freedoms for hypothetical safety deserve neither freedom or safety. One steals the from the other

LET ME BE CLEAR NO ONE HAS A MORE VESTED INTEREST IN YOUR WELL BEING THAN YOURSELF. But you have been tricked it sounds into thinking your government can and does.... Lol

They do this for power and to further limit our freedoms this only grants them more power.

This is the true defense of guns in our nation but no consolidated media company would ever cover that.

It is well known how well our 99% is armed and that ain't changing and seems they are really trying hard to limit this freedom


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: viktor]
    #23350049 - 06/16/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I've also lived in countries besides the US that have restricted gun laws and I can tell you honestly that I feel much safer where there are no guns like the U.S.

That is my own personal experience


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23350053 - 06/16/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Hey man nobody is trying to change your mind. We're just talking about our own experiences.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Citizen X]
    #23350059 - 06/16/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Luckily your personal experience doesn't reflect reality. We have the lowest amount of violence In recent history here.

And I beg many people to objectively question and analyze what they see reported on the media.


We know the capitalistic and egotistical nature of corporations.

We know 90% of all media is corporate consolidated and owned.

Do we really think they have our best interest in minds? Ever notice how homogenous the stories are? How the major events never stray no matter what network or show? Is that good for business and profits? What would the truth about plant medicines do to pharmaceutical industry?


Why do they lie to us about psychedelics and healing plants like cannabis.


You people are really laughable


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UNDENIABLE PROOF A MODERATOR (Enlil) USES FRAUDULENT POSTS TO SUPOORT HIS OPINIONS.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23596771#23596771 ; anyone can verify my original post in its unedited format. This proves the length the disinfo whores will go to defend pseudo theories. What quack jobs. Time to get out of moms basement.

One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

Edited by Maroon (06/16/16 07:47 AM)

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23350063 - 06/16/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

And we know prohibition drives items further into de regulations and in the black markets.

This will only make managing guns even harder and compound issues as proven by any other substance recently prohibited

I know and I'm only trying to openly debate this


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UNDENIABLE PROOF A MODERATOR (Enlil) USES FRAUDULENT POSTS TO SUPOORT HIS OPINIONS.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23596771#23596771 ; anyone can verify my original post in its unedited format. This proves the length the disinfo whores will go to defend pseudo theories. What quack jobs. Time to get out of moms basement.

One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23350083 - 06/16/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

So my reality isn't my reality? You know better than me of my own experiences? I get your passionate but I'm done here. Have a good one


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Citizen X]
    #23350085 - 06/16/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Of course it is but is was perception. In reality it is the safest time in recent America. Those are just facts man nothing more was meant. Peace and love your way


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23350090 - 06/16/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with the crime stats. I get what your sayin and I agree with some of it.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Citizen X]
    #23350105 - 06/16/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks man and truly this is a serious debate but I never mean anything personal on here ever.

I don't want to see us repeat failed history and something many shroomery members are well versed in, like prohibition.

I would hate to see knee jerk reactions limit freedoms over potentials risks.

For those who can't handle those risks don't deserve absolute freedom

I also would hate to see us create a larger unregulated arms market and adding incentive to criminals to deal more arms.


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23350125 - 06/16/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

No I like discussing different things and it's not personal whatsoever :grin: at the end of the day every body wants the country to be better, safer and all that good shit, we just have slightly different opinions on how to achieve it.

I agree that we shouldn't give up our right to own guns, I agree that our rights are being eroded. I think a lot of the times we agree on a lot of different things, but we get hung up on something and it fucks up the conversation

I wish I had the answers but I don't


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23350139 - 06/16/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Maroon said:
We also know the real reason of our second amendment was to keep arms against a tyrannical government in check.




Bro -

you've had tyrannical governments. George W Bush invaded Iraq against the interests of the American people, and sacrificed many young Americans for oil profits.

What did the gun owners in America do about it? Did they take down the tyrant Bush? Have they taken down a tyrant ever? No. They just take it up the arse.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: viktor]
    #23350150 - 06/16/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Of course but consciousness has not been made of these acts to the general population.

As conditions get worse and the average American finds the images on tv don't match reality there will be a shift.

But often times the bankers have a knack for large events right before these changes occur.

Prepare yourselves


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: viktor]
    #23350158 - 06/16/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

What Vik is saying is what the world at large thinks about Americans. We don't have to like it, we can insult him, we can deny it but what he says is true for many people around the world.

You might not care and I don't blame you if you don't but the world doesn't understand America's gun culture, especially with what happened recently.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Citizen X]
    #23350168 - 06/16/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yea but how will creating incentives and making the black market for arms larger going to assist the gun issues these people profess? Especially when we have millions of examples
Of prohibition only compounding problems and making it harder to control

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: viktor] * 1
    #23350179 - 06/16/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm really happy that New Zealand got rid of its guns a long time ago.

You can still get one to hunt, but the microdick reasons like "home defence" (lol) are not sufficient to get a gun here.

I can walk around without fear of getting shot by a microdick. I'm generally pretty happy about that and would vote against any party that wanted to liberalise access to guns.




"I can walk around without the fear of getting shot"

That's good for sure, but here in the US we have many criminal cultures that are violent without guns.

We have poor cultures that are jealous of others in the US, they are angry because of this fact. US citizens need protection from this criminal reality.

NZ isn't the US, not even close.

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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: qman]
    #23350189 - 06/16/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

But how will prohibition of guns make us safer?

When every instance of prohibition has proven to compound the problem and create larger unregulated markets that don't do background checks for Criminals or terrorists? Or has all logic been lost over false patriotism that has been stripping us of liberties


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