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Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ * 1
    #23350082 - 06/16/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Brian Wilson wishes he had never experimented with drugs.

The 73-year-old musician, most famous for his pioneering work with the Beach Boys, spent much of his younger life as a recluse after developing schizophrenia in the 1960s. The condition means he hears voices, but it only began after he started taking LSD, also known as acid.

“LSD made me more creative,” he admitted to Esquire magazine. “It helped me write (Beach Boys’ iconic 1966 album) Pet Sounds. But the voices started after LSD, too.”

These voices still haunt Brian, but not all the time. However he admits he often struggles with the things they say to him.

“They say different things,” he added. “Like ‘we’re going to hurt you’. It’s crazy! But not all the time, yeah. Like every other day.”

Brian was treated for drug addiction and mental health issues by Dr Eugene Landy in the 1970s and ’80s in a desperate bid to put a stop to his reclusive existence.

Dr Landy eventually helped Brian to start functioning again, but he later lost his professional license and was banned from treating the musician following accusations he had brainwashed the star with his extreme method of therapy which involved round-the-clock supervision and total isolation from family and friends.

Now Brian counts routine as an important part of his life, and added to the publication: “I have my breakfast. I comb my hair. And I go to the park and I take walks. And then I come home and watch television. Like the news or Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune.”

He also plays the piano to stay content, revealing the secret to his happiness is “that I don’t use drugs and I play the piano.”

The tale of Landy’s therapy sessions with Brian were told in last year’s movie Love & Mercy, with Paul Giamatti playing the psychologist. Brian previously said that he was blown away by the actor’s realistic portrayal of Landy.

http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2016/06/15/brian-wilson-the-voices-started-after-lsd/


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #23350455 - 06/16/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I think this is a no brainer case! The guy was genetically predisposed to Schizophrenia. I haven't heard voices even after numerous trips and I think many others can agree with that. Any problems I have are not contributed to psychedelics.


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: Psychogenic] * 2
    #23350505 - 06/16/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I used to hear the chanting bikini voices on mushrooms but only my first eight or nine trips had the chanting and music.  I never heard the voices when I wasn't tripping.


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: sunshine]
    #23350793 - 06/16/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Speaking of bikinis, I think these woman walking around in swimsuits is more of an issue. It is like legal underwear. What is the difference?


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: Psychogenic]
    #23350817 - 06/16/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Speaking of bikinis, I think these woman walking around in swimsuits is more of an issue. It is like legal underwear. What is the difference?




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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: thirtygoats]
    #23350840 - 06/16/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

LSD is harmless he probably stayed up too long and exhausted himself


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: Konyap]
    #23351010 - 06/16/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

.Now that I think  about it if he was using some sort of drug for stability the LSD would loosen the lithium in his brain and he could have a stroke..


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: Konyap]
    #23351278 - 06/16/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Or he was just one disposed to mental illness and shouldn't of been doing drugs....


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #23351306 - 06/16/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #23351383 - 06/16/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If people didn't use LSD so indiscriminately in the 60s Bill probably would have been fine. However we had to learn from our mistakes and everything happens for a reason.


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: sunshine]
    #23351387 - 06/16/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I used to hear the chanting bikini voices on mushrooms




Same here. To me they sounded very zany and glossolalic.


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23351392 - 06/16/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Or he was just one disposed to mental illness and shouldn't of been doing drugs....




Ok but if he was taking lots of  lithium before he tried LSD...


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #23351401 - 06/16/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It's not that people who are predisposed to mental illness shouldn't use psychedelics, they can use psychedelics and be just fine most of the time if they don't abuse it. With psychedelics it all depends on how you use it.
Psychedelics can either make you sane or insane.


Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (06/16/16 03:02 PM)


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23351584 - 06/16/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

We can only imagine the amounts of pure clean L he was privy too though, that is a factor as well.:grin:


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23351609 - 06/16/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Or what other drugs he may have been taking with the L, most rockstars are not one trick ponies when it comes to drugs :wink:


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: musiclover420]
    #23352354 - 06/16/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Or what other drugs he may have been taking with the L, most rockstars are not one trick ponies when it comes to drugs :wink:




That is definitely something to consider, could've been using stimulants as well (speed was also quite popular in the 60's I believe)


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23352433 - 06/16/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I heard audible voices after being awake 9 days straight on meth, and I have heard audible voices on high doses of shrooms, happens when I take 4 to 7 grams.  Now I only take a humble 1.5 grams to trip,,, perfect dose for the love.  :wink:


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: RobZombie68]
    #23352520 - 06/16/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

meth psychosis...too many voices in your head, its time to go to bed!! hahaha


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: funkymonk22]
    #23352522 - 06/16/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

ive dealt with all kinds of mental illness..but i will trip till the day i die..especially da fungus!! the way i see mental illness now is that it is just hypersensitivity and an expanded view of reality..sometimes too expanded to fit into society...but mental illness used to be called shamanism and considered a gift


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #23352772 - 06/16/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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LSD is harmless he probably stayed up too long and exhausted himself




Nothing is harmless.

There are lots of cases of people who were totally fine and went nuts after LSD. Like they were fine, took LSD, and weren't fine. It was clearly the LSD that did it. I doubt they were all predisposed to mental illness, I find that hard to believe. What about the flip side, would have they have stayed fine if they never did it? The guy who the CIA dosed who later jumped out a window was 40, that's pretty late for schizophrenia to set in. I am gussing if he was never dosed he would have been fine. Some people just go nuts on the shit. Maybe it's only 1 in a 100 or 1 in 500, but it happens.
But this place is big on denial on this issue, even though there are lots of crazy people here. I am convinced I won't go crazy but I don't have that same faith in anyone who hasn't done it lots of times.


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23353576 - 06/17/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Am I the only one that gets reminded of that South Park episode.
Now repeat after me, drugs are bad!
Drugs are bad, M-kay.

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Now Brian counts routine as an important part of his life, and added to the publication: “I have my breakfast. I comb my hair. And I go to the park and I take walks. And then I come home and watch television. Like the news or Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune.”



That right there sounds like a broken psyche, not a repaired one, to me.

I have read numerous times that psychedelics don't cause, but only trigger mental illness.
From my experience I agree with that. I even wanted to be perma-fried in the middle of my best trip, but I couldn't make it possible.
Until I see for myself that someone goes nuts from responsible use of psychedelics, I won't believe in it, though I am somewhat open for that option.

On the other hand, I believe trip induced trauma, depression, and mild cases of HPPD to be a real thing. Altering your consciousness too often, too strongly, will surely disorient you. I have that with weed binges too.


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: Capt. Stern]
    #23354137 - 06/17/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Am I the only one that gets reminded of that South Park episode





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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23356268 - 06/17/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

the only time ive heard voices was when I was sure it was paranormal. Like this one time I was taking out the trash and someone calls me a motherfucker.

:gooby:



but then again ive never tried l though


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: foodsgoodtoo]
    #23356659 - 06/18/16 02:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

A lot of people in rehab always use Syb Barrett as a prime musician example of LSD induced psychosis.

However, if you do some research into good ol Syd, he was on a cocktail of fucking everything, and partying for days on end.  He developed DID, Dissociative Identity Disorder, and most think he had up to 48 personalities going on in his life. 

I read he went pretty much silent for the end of his career and life, from what I read on him, they don't even know how the guy truly died. Some say diabetes, some say cancer.


The media is a load of trash is all I'm really saying here.


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: vandago]
    #23363942 - 06/20/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

"Brian Wilson wishes he had never experimented with drugs."
"...revealing the secret to his happiness is “that I don’t use drugs and I play the piano.”"
Drugs plural.

"Brian was treated for drug addiction and mental health issues..."

Since you don't really get addicted to psychedelics, this implies more that there was addiction and abuse of other substances.

Not that psychedelics can't stir up predisposed psychosis, but when it's coupled with -- like someone else suggested -- amphetamines, sleep deprivation, the several hour long temporary psychosis experienced in a trip is almost sure to be extended to become more permanent.


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: vandago]
    #23364205 - 06/20/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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A lot of people in rehab always use Syb Barrett as a prime musician example of LSD induced psychosis.

However, if you do some research into good ol Syd, he was on a cocktail of fucking everything, and partying for days on end.  He developed DID, Dissociative Identity Disorder, and most think he had up to 48 personalities going on in his life. 

I read he went pretty much silent for the end of his career and life, from what I read on him, they don't even know how the guy truly died. Some say diabetes, some say cancer.


The media is a load of trash is all I'm really saying here.



From Nick Mason's account, if I recall correctly, people basically would constantly feed Syd psychedelics, especially LSD, to see what kind of bizarre shit he could come up with because they considered him some kind of guru. Of course he was a very creative person already and a damn fine guitar player and singer to boot, but people wanted more and Syd seemed to enjoy the company...for a while. He was also using a lot of Mandrax to come down from the trip. The common theory seems to be that the prolonged cycle of acid and downers caused a glitch in his mind that led to his breakdown. It's tough to say, in retrospect, what the actual disorder was. Some say psychosis, some say schizophrenia, some say DID, some say MPD, others just say the acid simply fried him. What has been stated and restated, though, is that his band mates took him to a shrink of sorts to see what was wrong and the doctor simply said "There's nothing I can do. I've never seen this before."


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #23364225 - 06/20/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I remember reading a biography about Syd and Floyd that said he would get really high on acid then start wigging out and would end up locked in a bathroom or pantry or some shit. I remember reading about his downer use too, I think a girlfriend of his was prescribed em or something and he ended up using them a ton. He probably was smoking a lot of cannabis too.


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Re: Brian Wilson: ‘The voices started after LSD’ [Re: musiclover420]
    #23364583 - 06/20/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This line of discussion is difficult, for me, because I believe that many schizoids are giving an atheistic rationale for a religious experience.

If you need a materialistic explanation, here, I have nothing helpful to say. :shrug:


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