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bodhisatta 
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#23363418 - 06/20/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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We should ban the people who are afraid of guns in society and encourage gun banning.
Everyone talks about their right to live like its not easier to die in a controlled country
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23365812 - 06/21/16 05:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not about any of that.
It's about never giving up any freedoms what so ever for any safety.
Any false guarntee of safety the dumb ones find from laws only limit freedoms.
We know the governments have lied to us from lying about weapons of mass destruction for wars over oil fields, or lying about healing herbs and medicines.
How can we trust their laws for our best protection with that track record and when they are limiting our free world?
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
#23365830 - 06/21/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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america fails.
why? Cause we're too busy eating and telling everyone else how to live. We're too busy focusing on competing with our neighbors over resources and things we dont need. Material gain is more important than spending time with our families and treating one another with kindness and mutual respect. the leaders of this economic fuck hole need killing, but thats a whole other issue. It is maddening living here and i want to leave and go to Norway or something. EArth is a cumbersome experience for anyone with a brain.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: sprinkles]
#23366246 - 06/21/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What exactly is more freeing about owning a gun in society that alot of people own one...vs not owning a gun, in society where most people don't? Condidering there's less violent crime in most first world countries than the US.
I am less likely to raped, harassed, assualted or murdered here... I'll choose that freedom over a gun (that is generally used against the gun owner) any day. Oh FYI.. you dont have a right to arms.. You only have a right to arms in a "well regulated militia"...so planning to join some kind of civilian army against the government soon? You know. .being THAT is your right and all
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Glameow]
#23366457 - 06/21/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No one gives a flying fuck about the well regulated part . Our militias are a joke , we saw it play out with those losers in Oregon . They are really just a boyscout camp for old soft conspiracy theorists .
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut]
#23366810 - 06/21/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Many people have doubts upon the whole Oregon thing being genuine....
But one thing is true no matter what spin is attempted upon it.
Any prohibition of items will only increase unregulated markets that do it do any background checks. Is this what we want?
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon] 1
#23366867 - 06/21/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You don't think anything is real , You say I should fear the govt and then you say no one is being killed it's all crisis actors .... Are the Feds going to come to my house and fake my death?
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Any prohibition of items will only increase unregulated markets that do it do any background checks. Is this what we want?
Is that why I can buy a belt fed machine gun on any street corner ? If what you are saying has any basis in reality then I should find one no problem . Because that's what the NFA did , create a huge unregulated machine gun market ? Right ? Rocket launchers are illegal , never seen one of them floating around the black market , should be a plethora though according to you .
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon] 1
#23367063 - 06/21/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maroon said: It's not about any of that.
It's about never giving up any freedoms what so ever for any safety.
Any false guarntee of safety the dumb ones find from laws only limit freedoms.
i don't know if i would call people who look to policies to make them safer 'dumb'. we all benefit from policies that make us safer in exchange for some freedom. take speed limits for example. in order to make the roads safer for everyone - pedestrians, other drivers etc. - we relinquish the freedom to drive as fast as we want, whenever and wherever we want. the very nature of the agreements that societies are founded on seem to revolve around the exchange of safety for freedom. to me, the question of freedom in society is more about how much we are willing to give up and what the return on that investment is.
and when it comes to guns, it doesn't need to be a zero sum game. if other types of prohibitions have taught us anything, it seems that banning all guns for all citizens would be a disaster. we're just too big and our gun culture is far too entrenched for that to be a realistic option. i think what a vast majority wants is a few reasonable policies that make it harder for our most vicious criminals to legally get guns and a lot more public education about gun safety.
every time something like orlando occurs we always hear this rhetoric about the government taking our guns. it's just not going to happen. if anything, it's a sales pitch to the masses of people who go out and buy guns in response to the shootings, a demographic that i'm sure the NRA is aware of. and that's fine if people want to go buy guns. but what's worrisome is that the NRA and all of the policy makers it has in its pockets constantly work against sensible reforms that would keep everyone safer and perhaps even prevent future tragedies from occurring. that's the issue, not legal gun ownership itself.
-------------------- I'm up to my ears in unwritten words. - J.D. Salinger
Edited by millzy (06/21/16 02:57 PM)
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: millzy]
#23367072 - 06/21/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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-------------------- I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them. I also attack my side if I think they're wrong. People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut]
#23367398 - 06/21/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
psilynut said: You don't think anything is real , You say I should fear the govt and then you say no one is being killed it's all crisis actors .... Are the Feds going to come to my house and fake my death?
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Any prohibition of items will only increase unregulated markets that do it do any background checks. Is this what we want?
Is that why I can buy a belt fed machine gun on any street corner ? If what you are saying has any basis in reality then I should find one no problem . Because that's what the NFA did , create a huge unregulated machine gun market ? Right ? Rocket launchers are illegal , never seen one of them floating around the black market , should be a plethora though according to you .
Machine guns and rocket launchers as an example makes as much sense as black market tunas, you don't find a whole tuna black market you find fillets black market or fake fillets sold as real too.
A rocket launcher is too well rocket launcherish
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23367963 - 06/21/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Let me be clear I only doubt things that have objective observations to back it up.
It has been proven they have used people with makeup injuries.
I have never suggested the control is real. In fact we have the real power which is why such lengths are gone to take away these freedoms which tip the scales towards the people
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon] 1
#23367974 - 06/21/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So far I've heard it's because some fallical hunting obsession. Whence clearly that is a distraction from the real issue at hand
Banning assault rifles tip the scales towards these proven lying governments who have interest in docile more easily controlled populations.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
#23368682 - 06/21/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, so... huh?
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: millzy]
#23369123 - 06/22/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would like them to explain.
Opponents here have only stated something about phalic regions and hunting.
When the real issue is that these rifles tip the power scales from Govt towards the people very strongly. This is why government is truly seeking gun reform.
For if they truly cared about background checks they wouldnt introduce legislation that increases unregulated markets that do zero background checks
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
#23369147 - 06/22/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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When Japan was contemplating invasion during WWII, the military advisors were very wary of invading a country with such a heavily armed populace.
Relying on govt to defend you is a mistake
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
*obscure irrelevant saying*
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bodhisatta 
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23369153 - 06/22/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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When America went to Vietnam. We did really well with superior weapons
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
#23369163 - 06/22/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Guns dont just fire themselves, killers will find a way to kill
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Astrofan]
#23369168 - 06/22/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No way guns have a mind of their own
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23369235 - 06/22/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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And prohibition is proven to increase u regulated markets no matter what.
So they say they want prohibit and do background checks but they are increasing unregulated markets with no checks
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Astrofan]
#23369784 - 06/22/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Astrofan said: Guns dont just fire themselves, killers will find a way to kill
Well true, but then they wouldn't be able to kill as many, ya see, it's okay to kill less than ten, but anything over that and we MUST DO SOMETHING!
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