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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23350208 - 06/16/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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But how will prohibition of guns make us safer?

When every instance of prohibition has proven to compound the problem and create larger unregulated markets that don't do background checks for Criminals or terrorists? Or has all logic been lost over false patriotism that has been stripping us of liberties




The US is already full of too much criminal culture, prohibition would never work.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: qman]
    #23350215 - 06/16/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well someone gets it finally.

But why time and time again do we hear about prohibitions and how successful NZ and a few countries have been.

Whisky fully knowing prohibition expands black markets which don't do background checks or anything


When American statistics prove the lowest crime in recent times. I just don't see why these arguments aren't shut down immediately with these truths


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: qman]
    #23350220 - 06/16/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm really happy that New Zealand got rid of its guns a long time ago.

You can still get one to hunt, but the microdick reasons like "home defence" (lol) are not sufficient to get a gun here.

I can walk around without fear of getting shot by a microdick. I'm generally pretty happy about that and would vote against any party that wanted to liberalise access to guns.




"I can walk around without the fear of getting shot"

That's good for sure, but here in the US we have many criminal cultures that are violent without guns.

We have poor cultures that are jealous of others in the US, they are angry because of this fact. US citizens need protection from this criminal reality.

NZ isn't the US, not even close.




Exactly, it's pretty easy to enforce gun laws in an island country that is as small as NZ,

America is large and has a vitally unprotected border, way too easy to get coke and illegal guns, ban them here and our streets would become more violent than you can imagine


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23350230 - 06/16/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Well someone gets it finally.

But why time and time again do we hear about prohibitions and how successful NZ and a few countries have been.

Whisky fully knowing prohibition expands black markets which don't do background checks or anything


When American statistics prove the lowest crime in recent times. I just don't see why these arguments aren't shut down immediately with these truths




I'll tell you what, we will send 5 million of some of our "finest" US citizens to NZ and see what happens, NZ citizens will be begging for some form of protection in short order. :lol:


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: qman]
    #23350243 - 06/16/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

So we can agree on consensus that prohibition tends to compound the issues and create more unregulated markets that don't do checks and such?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23350545 - 06/16/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I would say gun prohibition does work . There are allot of guns built that aren't sold to the public  that are not being used in mass shootings or any shootings really .
  Such as a modern lightweight belt fed machine gun or an auto cannon . If we allowed weapons with more killing power than the ar15 to be mass produced and sold we would probably see many people being killed during shooting rampages . 
 
    Comparing drug prohibition to gun prohibition is pretty ridiculous . Any fool can grow and make drugs in their backyard ,  takes a real smart mother fucker to build an effective gun in their garage . Especially a semi auto . Most criminals and mentally ill people I've known don't have the brains , skills or tools to build a muzzle loader that won't be more dangerous to the user than the person it's pointed at.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut]
    #23350596 - 06/16/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Drugs/Alcohol vs Guns is apple/oranges.

Guns aren't an addiction, like drugs, and guns aren't consumable products like drugs, in fact guns usually sit somewhere unused in most people's homes. Also, modern guns require far more equipment and resources to create than most drugs. These two things aren't even comparable.

Here in America, you could never get rid of all of the guns. The only thing you could do is halt manufacturing and arrest people for having them. I do think most people would give up their guns if the government made them. People have given up many freedoms quietly in this country.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23350609 - 06/16/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't give up any of my hunting rifles or handguns . They could have have my ar though , it's only good for 1 thing really  .


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut]
    #23350631 - 06/16/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Of course people have given up many freedoms quietly that doesn't make it just

Also we have some basic legal foundations that pave the way for these freedoms and some are for a defense against tyrannical governments that try and limit and over tax its citizens


How's everyone's financial situation been the last ten years? Getting better? Yeah I'm sure......



The erosion of or liberties over safety couldn't be any more illegitimate. And things won't get better until we stick up for ourselves.


No one has a vested interest in ones own safety then yourself. Yet we have given up rights trusting this bureaucratic slow moving system to really be better then our selves? It's a joke

Throw in the corporate capitalistic consolidated media and you have two of the largest entities that knowingly have power and greed over our interests. True investigative journalism is deader thin that realm and it explains the large disconnect.

Am I the only one that see this


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23350806 - 06/16/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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How's everyone's financial situation been the last ten years? Getting better? Yeah I'm sure......



 
  Fucking outstanding . Right now I have more money than any other time in my life .

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a defense against tyrannical governments that try and limit and over tax its citizens



 
We saw some fools try to do this back in January ,  the fucking cowards didn't have the balls to give up their lives for what they believe in , they couldn't even overthrow 1 building building in the middle of nowhere in Oregon .
  When it comes to fending off a tyrannical govt , guns are second to bravery , onganization , planning and leadership . None of that can be found in modern militias . They have guns , and that's about it .


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut]
    #23350841 - 06/16/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Lmao the idealism in your post makes me chuckle.

Firstly glad your situation is well but a majority of the middle class been losing income to stag at wages and being outpaced by inflation and other things damaging currencies.


But please tell me what bravery does against Abrahams tanks to jets and laser guided blah blah blah


And if bravery is the top defense why does every military place such importance on armorments


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23350898 - 06/16/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

What good does an assault rifle do against tanks and jets? If none then what difference does it make if we ban their sale ?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut]
    #23350919 - 06/16/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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What good does an assault rifle do against tanks and jets? If none then what difference does it make if we ban their sale ?




This kinda sums up how I've felt for years... When the govt comes for you, they are bringing tanks, helicopters, fully auto machine guns and whatever else they deem necessary to put you down. When the terrorists strike, it's gonna be a bomb, or a sneak on a gun free zone, or possibly even a chemical or biological weapon, not shit you can really do.

But...

When the shit hits the fan and looters are running wild pillaging and burning down everything they can, defense of your home and family is gonna be vital. There's gonna be a LOT of victims in this country...


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23351056 - 06/16/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The logic of a moron.


You can't defend against one type of enemy so you know screw any other defense or associated freedoms that went along with that.....

Maybe I was born  American for a reason


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
    #23351251 - 06/16/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The logic of a moron.


You can't defend against one type of enemy so you know screw any other defense or associated freedoms that went along with that.....

Maybe I was born  American for a reason




    So I'm a moron is that what you are saying ?
    Let me sum up your logic , uhh ya I can't fight the govt you were right about that but what about the zombie appocolypse ?  Of course everyone who comes to steal my food will be unarmed and won't shoot back .
      If you ever find yourself in a situation where  you really need an assault rifle and you have no air support your probably a dead man anyway .
    I'm going backpacking if that happens and I'm not going to carry an ar and all the ammo it takes to make it effective.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut] * 2
    #23351404 - 06/16/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

every single country that has banned guns... its worked. Your just making excuses because your country has serious mental illness and has a corrupt evil culture. Your all brainwashed into thinking "freedom" is an excuse for everything. We in Australia have more freedoms than you do. Sometimes rules make sense... like limiting advertising for drugs or political campaigns unfairly.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN MACHINES SOLELY DESIGNED FOR MASS MURDER.

why not atleast try banning semi autos and fully automatics and even handguns.

No one is saying gun "prohibition" where saying be like every other country and get licensed


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut]
    #23351454 - 06/16/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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What good does an assault rifle do against tanks and jets? If none then what difference does it make if we ban their sale ?




The Afghani's seem to have done OK against the Soviets... and the Afghani's had some pretty shitty weapons.


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #23351525 - 06/16/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

They also had some pretty cool surface to air missiles ....


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: psilynut]
    #23351588 - 06/16/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone see the fbi statistics of newtown ct? The fbi homicide chart sad no one was killed there.

And thank god we are not Australia

Again do you really believe your government has a more vested interest in your health and safety than yourself?


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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23351590 - 06/16/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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every single country that has banned guns... its worked.





Australia's gun homicides dropped slightly but the rate of armed robbery increased and the overall homicide rate just fluctuated. Weather or not it works depends on what the goal is. If your only goal is to reduce gun related death/injury than gun control is great. In Australia you are more likely to be assaulted, burgled, and raped than in the US. Here a potential home invader has to consider if the victim has a firearm in the house which is a huge deterrent. Unsurprisingly, the states with the lowest violent crime rates, including homicide, here are the ones with the most lax gun control.

I'll take a slightly higher chance of being shot (which, statistically speaking, is extremely low anyways) over a more violent society.


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