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Enlil
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23386753 - 06/27/16 06:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Regardless, what is your basis for claiming "The likelihood of my freedom being curtailed by gun regulation is close enough to 100%"? That makes no sense if only criminals and the mentally ill are restricted from buying guns (unless of course, you're a convicted criminal or mentally ill).
Because those two restrictions are already in place. Any new restrictions will almost certainly curtail my freedom as do many of the current restrictions.
As it is, I had to spend thousands of dollars to modify a firearm of mine because California outlawed the specific chambering of it. Of course, I can have it rechambered to a more powerful round and walk down the street with it, though.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
#23386768 - 06/27/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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airclay said: So reading in more about heller and miller decisions:
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District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) "Miller stands only for the proposition that the Second Amendment right, whatever its nature, extends only to certain types of weapons. It is particularly wrongheaded to read Miller for more than what it said, because the case did not even purport to be a thorough examination of the Second Amendment."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller
which would put doubt in the way you used it above.
there are more cases here tho, this is an interesting rabbit hole, I'll have to get back to after work.
Miller revolved around short-barreled (or sawed-off) shotguns. They were deemed to have no military function and thus... not protected.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23386963 - 06/27/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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We have so many examples of this government purposefully lying to us and hurting our economy to our health and safety over its greedy agendas.
From starting privately funded wars over flasified weapons of mass destruction that have bankrupt our country.
To lying about natural healing herbs and fungi whilst we over prescribe amphetamines and opiates.
Why do we trust this strong and passionate push to limit more of our basic freedoms? Why are they so passionate about this whilst having such a horrible track record of passing laws for our well being?
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon]
#23396439 - 06/30/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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^^^ has that one settled in?
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Maroon] 1
#23398987 - 06/30/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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no it hasn't.
please enlighten us more, I need to catch up on my alex jones style rhetoric.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: airclay]
#23413834 - 07/05/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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14 pages I couldn't read through, so perhaps this was already said.
I'm from Australia, which has extremely tight gun restrictions. We haven't had a mass shooting in over 20 years. Tell me again that it doesn't work?
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: scragins]
#23413845 - 07/05/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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scragins said: We haven't had a mass shooting in over 20 years.
Tell that to the Hunt Family.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Enlil]
#23413849 - 07/05/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Keyword: mass
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: scragins]
#23413850 - 07/05/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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5 people shot in a day by the same person sounds like a mass shooting to me.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: scragins]
#23413931 - 07/05/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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scragins said: 14 pages I couldn't read through, so perhaps this was already said.
I'm from Australia, which has extremely tight gun restrictions. We haven't had a mass shooting in over 20 years. Tell me again that it doesn't work?
Why would mass shootings be the metric for a sensible gun policy?
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: qman]
#23413985 - 07/05/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't understand what you mean. Why wouldn't it be? You don't put in place gun policies without a reason.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: scragins]
#23413997 - 07/05/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mass shootings are very rare. To make a law that restricts the freedom of millions in an attempt to prevent something that is already a rare occurrence is misguided.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: scragins]
#23414052 - 07/05/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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A mass shooting is one aspect of it. In 2013 alone there were over 33,000 deaths from firearms (USA)
Let's ignore the word mass then. And just look at the pure statistics.
Australian deaths per 100,000 people in the year 2013 were 0.93 American deaths per 100,000 people in the year 2014 were 10.64

Maybe it's the culture over there, I don't know, but something is very fucked up.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: scragins]
#23414087 - 07/05/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Meh, .01% chance of death by firearm isn't worth taking freedoms away IMO
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Enlil] 1
#23414546 - 07/05/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ten times the gun death rate of a normal country isn't something to worry about? Holy fuck.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: viktor]
#23414584 - 07/05/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Normal" country?
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: Enlil]
#23414817 - 07/05/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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When it comes to gun control, any country not named America is a normal country.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: scragins] 1
#23414858 - 07/05/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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scragins said: A mass shooting is one aspect of it. In 2013 alone there were over 33,000 deaths from firearms (USA)
Including suicides in the gun death count when arguing for yet more gun control... is quite disingenuous.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: viktor]
#23414884 - 07/05/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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viktor said: When it comes to gun control, any country not named America is a normal country.
I see. So Somalia is normal. Got it.
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Re: We know alcohol prohibition fails, drug prohibition fails, so what about gun prohibition? [Re: scragins]
#23415335 - 07/05/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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scragins said: I don't understand what you mean. Why wouldn't it be? You don't put in place gun policies without a reason.
So if occurrences of rape, sexual assault, robbery, home invasions, physical assault, and murder by stabbing went higher, you could be OK with that if gun deaths went lower?
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