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Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery 2
#23349863 - 06/16/16 05:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think a collective effort to cultivate new users would be promoting The Noob forum, Getting Started, TPE and such. A 30 day 100 post count Pub would solve a lot of puppet problems and other unnecessary work. Introduction threads may become more than 4 posts and getting buried.
I don't think community forums should come up on the main site under recent posts (or global stickies if they even do). There are also so many melts and trolls who clog up an important thread. Pull them out by the collar, yank their shitpost and remove thread access. They can go melt somewhere else while the adults are talking.
I think by spreading out workload and leading users to site functionality & help foster the growth of the micro-communities. It's really fun to come on here while tripping some times for friends and music, but then there is so much animosity that bleeds over. I think more threads should be moved. That's where those extra forums started at when the site expanded. More threads can be moved to those forums.
With it being election year, a lot could go to Political Discussion. I see a lot moved but not very many. A gender discussion forum would be interesting. The Pub may benefit, too, by having the threads moved to User Created forums that are the most visited. I thought that was the impetus behind implementing them was to lighten the workload by spreading it all out, among other things.
It kind of looks like a really sad state of affairs. If threads are excessively long, I'm sure it "tl;dr" of issues and infractions that have already happened. People can be on the same page. A News & Media forum or Current Events Discussion. The younger crowd should be able to walk into the Pub tripping on the first mushrooms he grew and feel comfortable. More positive people attract other positive people. If you can find a way to get new registers to get a feel for the poace, functionality, ratings, and all of that done in the beginner forums. They've taken off and I'm impressed, especially TPE, and the people who help everyone. It may help foster an environment that it could become part of a perpetual effort to make the site more chill.
I'm a little high still and it's late, but it sounds like you're all stretched thin and could use more volunteer staff.. it seems to me like all your resources are being pulled away from other things that can be worked on.
Just some thoughts maybe it'll help in some fashion. It really sucks to see what these people have done to Asante. I think being more liberal with the hate magnet clause wouldn't be a bad idea, either.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: Adden] 2
#23349967 - 06/16/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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it's definitely kind of lame venturing out side my Site comfort zone. Lots of your an idiot i am better than you attitudes. Lots of people turned of by this and think the site is snobbish.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: NothingsChanged] 4
#23350080 - 06/16/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some really good points here, Adden. I am mostly concerned about noobs still going straight to old outdated teks. I think there should just be pointers to current teks in the forums.
We should really clean out all the old teks from that old style of threads, and move all of it to cultivation archives. This would help get new users into starting with the forums, where we can help them.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: dankington]
#23350144 - 06/16/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you for your succinct post, we are actively brainstorming on how to improve The Pub, so if any more thoughts come your way please feel free to share them.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: Adden] 1
#23350748 - 06/16/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Adden said: The younger crowd should be able to walk into the Pub tripping on the first mushrooms he grew and feel comfortable.
A lot of the younger crowd have that thing where they think they know everything, but they don't at all, so they resort to getting butt hurt and offensively unshroomy. I agree that anyone should feel comfortable there, but the younger crowd does this amongst themselves to some extent, and that certainly does not make it any easier to fix it.
Edited by California (06/16/16 04:31 PM)
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: CosmicJoke] 1
#23350788 - 06/16/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great thread agree 100%.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23351342 - 06/16/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Omg yes old outdated TEKS up the arse here on this site, it could use a remodel.. I'm like NC, I don't like to stomp outside of my comfort circle cause of all the ego trips and trolls. Hope everyone is having a good day out there.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: liloldme]
#23351546 - 06/16/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I believe a lot of good, skilled people are doing CMS and archive stuff. You still see people with geolite, air stones, fish tanks, incubators and all the things from 1997 to like 2008ish. It would be nice if we could even have an addendum at the beginning of those old posts with a link how to use the TC tag checkbox and search engine.
I'd venture a guess that there may be a fear of loss of traffic, but I could see "groomed" beginners as the next generation of people willing to give back to the community. Once a few month cycle goes by, you'd likely see the site retaining more users who would then, in turn, have already used sponsors and want/need the features. A sticky thread in getting started on how to improve the Shroomery experience could outline the benefits of being a supporter.
I don't think that any informational access for harm reduction should be removed or disallowed. I wouldn't want someone getting the wrong impression here.
Mush Hunting & Identification is an OK example for this: We get people who don't know how to use images and such, and we help the best we can, or how to properly print something, locations in which people can hunt. You see what koods does for these kids and the ovoid thread is a great example of retaining a userbase. He and I may not see eye to eye, but that alone makes a good case. Having people with the experience of a positive community in subforums would better serve the boards in the long run.
If people are lead in the right direction right out the gate, they'd be more likely to stay. Ad revenue would still come in during their visits, and if they decide to hang around, bigger avatars and unlimited image uploads would become important once they join the community crowds.
I've taken a 10 week break from Pub/OTD, and viewing it as an outsider (from the main page) paints a sort of grim view if threads get out of control. I've been browsing the micro communities of multiple forums the past ten weeks, and if we could have them joined together in a positive environment, I believe you'd notice a decrease in workload, an increase in "shroomy" posting styles, and generations of new users who know better entering the community forums. An agreement similar to a EULA to help people read the rules before posting would possibly help stymie a lot of "sorry I didn't know".
This doesn't have anything to do with anyone or certain events. However, I do see a publicly accessible and highly trafficked forum at its worst would be a step backwards in promoting positive users to post positive things. We are all aware there have been issues for quite some time that have made it increasingly difficult for staff with notifications and babysitting people. I do still think that the nuke button should be used more, especially the hate magnet clause. A user-created gender forum would benefit the LGBTQ crowd and keep positive vibes instead of some of the train wrecks. Some people just ain't worth it, and I'll be the first to admit I personally should've been nuked six years ago. A user here who's not well liked because of past transgressions spoke with me the other day worried of people's perspective of him or her; the best I could say is the best way to change people's perspective of you is to change behavior. I do still see hate magnets that don't deserve that sixth or seventh or eighth "pass". Some people never learn, and it'd be nice to squash that bug before users like that ruin things for everyone else.
I know one of the first responses would be to ignore people, but I don't want to ignore someone in case they accidentally post a bag of unidentified mushrooms or fentanyl laced Xanax bars. You've seen users help others before in these situations, and you still see threads like the one Sheekle made in ODD just to ensure harm reduction. We need more people like that, and I believe starting users out in a comfortable and safe environment would lead to comfortable and safe environments as they progress through the site.
I hope this helps in some fashion, or maybe get some gears turning. We aren't getting younger and there will be increasing amounts of users as time goes on. We should be looking out for these next generations who will one day possibly take the reins when staff retires. Take care folks and thanks again for your time.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: California]
#23351615 - 06/16/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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NothingsChanged said: The younger crowd should be able to walk into the Pub tripping on the first mushrooms he grew and feel comfortable.
A lot of the younger crowd have that thing where they think they know everything, but they don't at all, so they resort to getting butt hurt and offensively unshroomy. I agree that anyone should feel comfortable there, but the younger crowd does this amongst themselves to some extent, and that certainly does not make it any easier to fix it.
trippy-not my quote.
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NothingsChanged said: The younger crowd should be able to walk into the Pub tripping on the first mushrooms he grew and feel comfortable.
A lot of the younger crowd have that thing where they think they know everything, but they don't at all, so they resort to getting butt hurt and offensively unshroomy. I agree that anyone should feel comfortable there, but the younger crowd does this amongst themselves to some extent, and that certainly does not make it any easier to fix it.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: Adden]
#23351618 - 06/16/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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During my searches I found this thread which mentioned a lot of the same issues touched upon here. One post is 6 months old and addressed the issue of people ganging up on one of your admins. Asante has taken a lot of flack for quite some time and it looks like recent events came close to (or are) the straws that broke the camel's back. How dare people like Psychonautica or sVs/Shiversblood come in here like they own the place and kick an emotionally hurt man while he's down. We need a lot fewer people like that. Making a "new face of the Shroomery" would be starting at step one. Also to be clear I'm not knocking TNF, TPE, or Getting Started. I think they're three of the best forums to get beginners' toes wet before jumping into the pool. They can make a great springboard for helping foster a positive community in which all members of the micro-communities can join together and be civil.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: NothingsChanged]
#23351675 - 06/16/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you. Good eye. My bad.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: Adden] 2
#23351718 - 06/16/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Adden said: A 30 day 100 post count Pub would solve a lot of puppet problems and other unnecessary work.
This is a really good idea and could work for many of the community forums. Especially the Pub and OTD which may become slightly readable...
New users should mostly see the on-topic forums unless they manage to stick around.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: Byrain]
#23351766 - 06/16/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, and Byrain, when I began to hunt you really helped a lot. Even just a few sentences here and there on the importance of photographing specimens, helping people with uploads, or the importance of keeping specimens seperated. Even the tacklebox I've now transformed into my own kit. I still see you posting these things, and that has rubbed off on me. Sometimes I feel like I'm repeating things over and over but I've been thoroughly impressed with the people who do stick around and will, in turn, return the favor to the community as they were treated kindly when they joined. Communal growth of helpful people in a small forum gives people a feel of functionality and also the differences in personalities between the cacti folk, pickers, cultivators, and every niche community inbetween. Or stumbling across a user-created forum and finding a similar group of like-minded people.
I know these posts are "coming from Dystopia of all people", but it's not going to deter me from helping in the core forums. I don't want CMS or mod and have nothing to gain from this except hopefully seeing more positive crowds grow as the years pass.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: Adden]
#23352888 - 06/16/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the user created forums are a good start but are overlooked easily. There are also a huge number of them and for any new person looking at them, it is a pretty long list filled with user created forums that went nowhere. I think that there needs to be a thinning of the failed ones and possibly a promotion of the successful ones. RR2 for instance could be promoted and at the same time might deserve a little more moderation (not sure who would want that thankless job).
I guess my point is that there are some good user created but they often are lost at the bottom of the list in a sea of boards.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: Byrain]
#23352937 - 06/16/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Adden said: A 30 day 100 post count Pub would solve a lot of puppet problems and other unnecessary work.
This is a really good idea and could work for many of the community forums. Especially the Pub and OTD which may become slightly readable...
New users should mostly see the on-topic forums unless they manage to stick around.
Well I mean I think they should be blocked from OTD and User Created forums as well if it was to possibly work.. New users (not talking puppets here) don't need to get their feet wet with shitposting only to then gain access to the pub. It's like negative conditioning from the start.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23353081 - 06/16/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can see where you're coming from. 
If Getting Started, The Noob Forum, The Psychedelic Experience and maybe an Introductions forum were more widely used - there's a lot of helpful stuff in there - then that may foster the positive growth as users integrate into the community forums and UC's. Perhaps TNF could be changed to the Beginner's Forum, it might attract more attention and feel more welcoming to these crowds. Still the same forum but doesn't seem off-putting as people don't like to be referred to as n00bs.
The laundry list of UC's could perhaps hit a select few that people have access to until things like the Romp and other smaller communities become available. Like A.M.U., for example. If people come here to cultivate it can help guide them into newer and more available communities as they progress into site integration.
I do truly hope I'm helping toss ideas around and not coming off as a rambling madman.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: Adden]
#23353367 - 06/17/16 01:46 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Na man, I am 100% with you. When multiple users that signed up over a decade+ ago are saying their's issues they want looked into it's obvious it needs to be figured out.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: liloldme]
#23353511 - 06/17/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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NothingsChanged said: it's definitely kind of lame venturing out side my Site comfort zone. Lots of your an idiot i am better than you attitudes. Lots of people turned of by this and think the site is snobbish.
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liloldme said: I'm like NC, I don't like to stomp outside of my comfort circle cause of all the ego trips and trolls. Hope everyone is having a good day out there. 
So, is this referring to people like me, or is there a different type of character in mind when you use these descriptors? All I can think is that tons of people I've had run ins with have accused me of all those things, but all of them seemed like true idiots, the type that come in, ask questions that show their ignorance, and then complain at the advice they're given like they knew better all along, stuff like that. So then if it's not me and people like me being snarky that gets shroomery the snobby reputation, where are these elitist types I'm hearing about?
I mean, I don't want to be part of the reason this place is avoided. I'm only a dick in response to the types of people that I feel make this place shitty to begin with. If that ironically makes me one of those shitty people then that sucks I guess, but if at all possible I think there could be ways, by slightly changing up the resources and the signup process, like Adden mentioned, to somewhat reduce the number of uppity negativity-drawing characters that manage to wriggle through the system unhindered for quite a while before they catch a hammer. At low enough concentrations of trolling, otherwise reasonable people might not all feel so hostile in what should otherwise be a comfort zone.
So, is it certain specific people, something about the site, something about this generation in general? I'm thinking all of the above. I believe to an extent, that babying people to protect their feelings has ironically created exactly the kind of people whose feelings are out of control enough to need babying against.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: PreparationH] 1
#23353532 - 06/17/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good suggestions, just don't delete my UC forums Quote:
we are actively brainstorming on how to improve The Pub
How about stepping up enforcement of Pub rules, specifically
1) No Flaming, Baiting, Trolling, or Spamming... Basically, don't be a dick. 2) Respect your fellow posters at all times while posting in the Pub...
and Rule 4.
I know this gives mods a lot of leeway as far as whats not shroomy, but when people start getting warnings and temp bans, maybe they'll wise up. I know I learned my lesson after one 15 day ban for "trolling a mod".
Curious how often the "Report Post" button is being used by others, I mainly just used it to report puppets in the past.
Do mods get a lot of frivolous they have to deal with every day? 
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: Adden] 3
#23353571 - 06/17/16 04:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The vet's forum should be it's own separate forum rather than a pub subforum.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: Pastywhyte] 5
#23354752 - 06/17/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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RR2 for instance could be promoted and at the same time might deserve a little more moderation.
No one wants for this to happen.
In regards to the other ideas offered up in this thread, some are good and some are less than good. For instance, I'm not sure that access restrictions on The Pub is the way to do it. Like it or not, The Pub is a big draw here, in terms of acquiring new members and keeping them. So many intro threads mention "I've lurked the pub for ages, finally decided to join..." I think the 30 day/100 post restriction would dissuade a portion of people from joining. There were once similar restrictions on OTD, but they were scrapped before too long.
Also, I don't think the community forums should be hidden unless registered. These forums display the radiant diversity of the Shroomery, and are the main reason so many posters join. I notice that most of the users in this thread so far are cult guys (I'm guessing someone linked this thread in a place that's high-visibility to culters), so they may not be aware of this, but TONS of members here have no interest whatsoever in mushrooms. Zip. These people come to just chat about life, art, events, etc. Not showing unregistered people that this site has so much to offer would be a big mistake.
I agree that in The Pub, loads of threads would be better served in their proper forums. The Pub is a place for laid back, chill discussion, per the description. So why keep a high tensity, emotional rage debate about gun control in there when we've got forums that would better suit that topic? Put the hot-button transsexual debates in the Sexuality & Relationships forum, etc. Prisoner #1 does a fine job moving all conspiracy threads into their respective forum, I don't see why more of that isn't happening.
I agree with Vinsue's main points that the rules are in place, they might be enforced more, if it's truly negativity and disrespect that are bothering people. And yes, rule 4. I think if these rules were utilized more, there would be a rash of bannings at first, but folks would quickly learn to either conform or they would find a more suitable forum to post in, such as Romper Room V2 (which has been fairly successful in providing the lax rules environment while keeping it contained). RR v2 is also not accessible to the public, so like OTD, it's not going to scare off potential registrants.
It may also be worth noting that people have been complaining about the downfall of The Shroomery for at least 12 years now, yet the site continues to grow. People remember the good stuff and forget that there were ALWAYS shitbirds, ornery noobs, and shitposts. There have always been troublemakers. In some ways, I don't think the site has really changed all that much, except that everything is magnified and more abundant. Both the good and the bad. So I know it's an unpopular opinion so far in this thread, but maybe Shroomery doesn't need a drastic overhaul, but rather just a slight sprucing up in a few detailed areas.
I suspect I had other points to address, but I'm not thinking of them now.
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Re: Suggestions for improvement to the Shroomery [Re: Inocuole] 1
#23356258 - 06/17/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I guess it is just a feeling i would get? Just reading post and exploring the difrent areas of the site. Definetly can't put names with posts that were contributing to theses negative vibes. It's been awhile and in hind sight(?) it most likely was my noob,lost in a foreign enviornment defensive mechanism. I can remember being overwelmd buy the amount of info i was receiving just by following threads. I mainly just read along with the difren't topics so it was just a feeling i was getting as nothing was ever directed towards me. No matter what i think, i know thiere is a wealth of information that a person can't get anywere else in one package like they do here. Ive dug this site since day one. Thank you all. I Mean that.
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