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Munchauzen


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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23352076 - 06/16/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Normally you pay payroll tax and unimployment insurance as the employer And than as your own employee you pay income, Medicare, SS, etc... Plus sales tax then
unemployment insurance varies by state to state. some require you pay it, some don't. you are not federally required to pay unemployment insurance. however, if you do, you can fire yourself and collect unemployment. you also don't pay a payroll tax, you pay a self-employment tax. I guess this would only apply if you are the sole worker, thou.
I've been self employed twice in my life.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Gr0wer]
#23352227 - 06/16/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Greenhouse might be nice someday. But a trailer you say? That reminds me of my rarely ever used RV. Shower might house a single log nicely
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Gr0wer
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23352615 - 06/16/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your a fool to be on the books when starting out small.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Gr0wer]
#23352625 - 06/16/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Will you be doing a thread about this trailer op? 
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23352952 - 06/16/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Once upon a time I knew a guy who bought a used shipping container for around 2k and used it up real nice
-------------------- In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. All mushrooms are edible, but some only once..... Easier than cakes I do science and shit.
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Gr0wer
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: maddchef]
#23352953 - 06/16/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23353000 - 06/16/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Fees and regulations yearly. Permits to start.
What kind of permits are needed for starting a gourmet grow op? Regulations?
If you're only selling fresh mushrooms, you need no permit or anything else from the feds. -RR
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Gr0wer]
#23353039 - 06/16/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Or you might want to build a double set of grow rooms. But spawn making is always the highest cost. If speed is what you after. You progressive should be spores to agar to tranfer twice cleanly. To li to five lc jars to 750 plates and 200 qts of grain jars To 100 grain bags and fruit the other to straw or others. Repeat with each month with making li with two agar dishes. Then grain to grain twice but no more. With a year you can make 500lbs a month. You will need about need about 5000 plates and big fridge
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Munchauzen


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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: invitro]
#23353718 - 06/17/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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invitro said:
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Trusted Cultivator said: Fees and regulations yearly. Permits to start.
What kind of permits are needed for starting a gourmet grow op? Regulations?
If you're only selling fresh mushrooms, you need no permit or anything else from the feds. -RR
Correct. I believe it may vary by state, but last I checked in my previous state, there was no permitting requirements. They basically don't want to discourage whole food producers from conducting business. As long as the product isn't processed in any way there is no permit required to sell whole foods. E.g. Roadside corn and fruit. Ever see permits hanging there? Nope.
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Gr0wer]
#23353803 - 06/17/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: I'm also setting up another grow, a trailer shiitake grow. Were looking at around $10-15k startup and should produce around 100 lbs a week, hopefully more.
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Gr0wer]
#23353813 - 06/17/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: I'm also setting up another grow, a trailer shiitake grow. Were looking at around $10-15k startup and should produce around 100 lbs a week, hopefully more.
If you have an outdoor location that's preferably shaded depending on your climate you can either build a shaded greenhouse or a insulated structure. Building a structure can be expensive, you might want to consider clearing out your garage and build a much simpler structure in there. When your outside you need to consider 80 mph winds, rain, bugs, rodents. Also you might run into permits for the structure. What goes on inside your garage is just for you to know.
ive done a trailer grow which worked out great. shouldnt cost you THAT much unless you need the trailer still though lol. i ended up selling the trailer to a friend who STILL uses it for his mushroom grows. he runs about 5-10 monotubs at a time and surprisingly does all his sterile work in it as well. (small space, no air movement, nice flowhood = good workspace.) also outdoor GH's i think are less practical for a lot of reasons, but mostly because the plastic lining will rip and need to be replaced. indoor is always better imo.
i am thinking about investing another 2-3grand on a ton of shelving for my 'half' a guest house. line it in plastic and use that for my shiitakes and oysters. 2-3grand might be under thinking it a bit, but at most im only putting 5 grand into it. 6-8 tier shelving is EXPENSIVE when you think about filling entire rooms from one side to the next lol. i have 3 solid rooms in my guest house completely un-used. about 500sqft. would be PERFECT for a solid GH setup. (and since its indoors you can buy cheap 2mil plastic lining instead of shielded 6-8mil outdoor GH plastic lining which costs an arm and leg!
my latest investment has been a new mister/humidifier, my 3rd PC(23qt presto), 20 new 66qt monotubs, 4 35 gallon totes for TiT, new dehydrator(soon), 2 40lb bags of WBS, 2 big bags of verm, 1 big bag of gypsum, bought an upgraded vacuum sealer as trade in for my old one, a ton of 2mil plastic lining, 2 6-tier stainless steel shelves(for diy GH), a bunch of trays for GH, 4x 12 packs of quart jars(these were pointless as i have boxes full of jars. im talking hundreds of jars. not all quart of course but 100's none the less. just cant find the damn things in storage), oh and 10x 12 packs of lids for the jars as i dont like reusing old ones. and they are super cheap...
and finally, i would still like to invest in a flowhood or agar materials. but ill leave that for AFTER this next project im about to take on.
anyway i forget what all that added up to, but it definitely wasnt cheap.. include future expansion and i can EASILY see myself pushing 100grand into this 'business', as it will become at that point rather than just a hobby.
-------------------- Current Grow Log ^^My first grow log <3^^ Wish me luck.
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23354552 - 06/17/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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thats one thing I dont understand, higher end impulse sealers. A seal is a seal no? Got a cheap value village one on a whim the other day, seems to work fine.
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23354570 - 06/17/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm considering cutting a new SAB, one designed to stand up vertically so that you never hit the roof with bags or G2G. at least until I get working on a hood.
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Gr0wer
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23355055 - 06/17/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I spent $280 on my impulse sealer. It's magnet hold so I can get the next bag ready while it seals. Also the 5mm seal is way better than the 2mm seal. The top end sealers are best because they have dual heating elements and foot pedal operation leaving your hands free to set up the bag.
And just to clarity, by trailer I mean 48' refrigerated semi trailer. And no we haven't purchased it yet. It will have a stainless steel 55 or 85 gal sterilizer(s), incubation room, walk in cooler, and large fruiting room. That price tag is covering all expenses for the first 3 months, which is where we will start to see some good cashflow.
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Gr0wer]
#23356224 - 06/17/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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ahh thank you thank you.
How does one keep a culture going without senescence occurring when doing large scale grows? Maybe you just keep petri's going for a while, Transfer it to some new dishes occasionally to keep it fresh. And then you dip back into your slants eventually, but it just seems to me that eventually you run out of your original slants and have to get a new culture.
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23356231 - 06/17/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: ahh thank you thank you.
How does one keep a culture going without senescence occurring when doing large scale grows? Maybe you just keep petri's going for a while, Transfer it to some new dishes occasionally to keep it fresh. And then you dip back into your slants eventually, but it just seems to me that eventually you run out of your original slants and have to get a new culture.

cultures aren't exactly hard to get ahold of thou. and senescence doesn't come on very quickly... I'm sure if you ever run in to it, the culture will have paid for itself many times over.
overhead is the cost of doing business.
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Munchauzen]
#23356261 - 06/17/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The way pros keep the culture fresh is always challenge your culture on plates. Like making cricket agar then back to pda. Senescence happens with ageing yes but it mainly happens when the myc cells learn to be use to the media they grow in and produce an enzymes that bluid toxics to themselves. I once knew a man that had the same culture for grow since 1974 thats what he always did anyway.
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: tump]
#23356316 - 06/17/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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a valid point munch.
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Gr0wer
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23358936 - 06/18/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I make sterile water cultures and also have deep agar slants. I buy commercial spawn and i plan to refresh the stored culture every year or so by purchasing a bag of spawn from the supplier. Ill probably do it around the holidays or when im behind in spawn production, it helps me catch up on spawn and also refreshes my cultures.
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Re: Why is it so expensive to start a gourmet mushroom op? [Re: Gr0wer]
#23358948 - 06/18/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: I make sterile water cultures and also have deep agar slants. I buy commercial spawn and i plan to refresh the stored culture every year or so by purchasing a bag of spawn from the supplier. Ill probably do it around the holidays or when im behind in spawn production, it helps me catch up on spawn and also refreshes my cultures.
How much are you paying for commercial cultures? Aren't they expensive?
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