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Luminous7


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Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included)
#23348559 - 06/15/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So im having trouble with my set up. First couple flushes from first couple cakes turned out ok ( meh small fruits but meaty and no contam issues )
Now it seems im lucky to get 1-2 decent fruits off 1 cake.
Im using a SGFC , i get good FAE , 5-6 inches perlite , RYE cakes and coir/verm trays .
I get amazing pin sets but i am lucky if 1-2 shrooms turn out to fruit fully , they all seem to be aborting everytime. and turning black as well as some bacterial blotching . Now
The bacterial is strange because i keep things on the dry side and mist like once a day , they fan it till all caps are completley dry ( sometimes even wipe with paper towel to make sure. )
I cant tell if my sub is to wet or to dry although the cakes feel super light when picked up and iv been keeping things really on the dry side to combat the bacterial blotch.
Do i just need to start fresh with clean cakes ? maybe there infected somehow ? Everything smells super fresh mushroomy tho. no funky smells.
I just dont know where im going wrong, any suport would be great .
Thanks. heres some pictures of the most recent flush taking place. I wish all these pins would become full fruits. ill keep trying !




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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Luminous7]
#23348644 - 06/15/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Stop the drying. Just mist like you're supposed to and move on. Trying to keep things on the dry side and wiping dry is hustling backwards. If anything, SGFCs are on the dry side anyway.
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: SpitballJedi]
#23348651 - 06/15/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Stop the drying. Just mist like you're supposed to and move on. Trying to keep things on the dry side and wiping dry is hustling backwards. If anything, SGFCs are on the dry side anyway.
When i was misting heavy i was getting serious blotch. But do you think the small fruits / aborts could be from to dry an enviorment ? or to dry substrate. Im almost certain my issue lies within moisture being on the low side. But when i increase the moisture i get bad bacterial outbreaks on caps.
thanks for you feedback Jedi
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Luminous7]
#23348703 - 06/15/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That sucks, dude.
If you're having blotch issues with proper misting and moisture content, then you need to fix the bacteria problem or you are just going to continue to have sub-par results. There are a few bacteria that truly contaminate your grow area and have to be eradicated or they screw up future grows. Misting just causes some to spread and get worse.
Right now, you are basically sacrificing optimal growing conditions to keep the bacteria at bay. That's only going to work for so long, I'm sure.
I'm by no means an expert on bacteria or anything and I don't know what you have. I've only read a few members here having issues with blotch and verticulum (I think it's called) and verticulum is a bitch and can ruin future grows. I know some people have had to get super serious about cleaning their grow space and everything to get rid of it.
But, like I said, I'm far from being an expert. Fortunately, I've never had to deal with it. I'll PM some folks who are more knowledgeable and might be more insightful than I am on this.
But, I agree, your small fruits and stuff are because of dry conditions and substrate, which now I know why you are keeping it that way.
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: SpitballJedi]
#23348750 - 06/15/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bacterial blotch (which is actually pseudomonias tollasii) is primarily caused by standing water on the caps combined with poor FAE. If you are misting correctly (only mist when the water from the previous mist has evaporated) then the other possibility is going to be poor FAE.
Pseudomonias is nearly impossible to get in a proper SGFC, there is simply too much freshape air. I can't see the whole chamber in your pics but I would put 5 prints down on it not being a proper SGFC and/or not being run properly. A pic showing the whole chamber and where it's set up would be helpful.
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23348814 - 06/15/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23350092 - 06/16/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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y iv done research and it is to to tolassi. the only thing that isn't proper about about sgfc is its close t th wall which I have have option atm. but I can tell.im getting decent fae because I see the condensation drying off the walls and around the hole very quickly. bu perhaps it's still not.gopd.enough. I'm def not.leaving standing water on the caps either so I don't know. ho does one sterilize t entire chamber and does t infection live on through the substrate?
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Luminous7]
#23350095 - 06/16/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll post pics after work
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Luminous7]
#23350145 - 06/16/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you clean your SGFC after each grow or you just keep throwing cakes in there ?? Aso is your tub touching the floor or is it lifted??
I do monos and I clean them with steaming water and dish soap after each grow. Never had a bacterial problem that originated in the tub.
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23350303 - 06/16/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's floating in the air. You can't sterilize a fruiting chamber, nor should you need to. Check to make sure your bottom holes are not plugged with the perlite, use a pencil to unblock em. Get it away from the wall. Maybe get your Temps down to the low 70's if you can.
Pseudomonias is everywhere. The way we fight it is by making your fruiting conditions optimal for the cubes. Pseudomonias cannot tolerate fresh air at all and in lower temps with no standing water, it doesn't have a chance.
Are you sure your FC is to spec? Holes in all six sides, especially bottom and lid? Very important because even a slight deviation will throw off the whole chamber.
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23350478 - 06/16/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: It's floating in the air. You can't sterilize a fruiting chamber, nor should you need to. Check to make sure your bottom holes are not plugged with the perlite, use a pencil to unblock em. Get it away from the wall. Maybe get your Temps down to the low 70's if you can.
Pseudomonias is everywhere. The way we fight it is by making your fruiting conditions optimal for the cubes. Pseudomonias cannot tolerate fresh air at all and in lower temps with no standing water, it doesn't have a chance.
Are you sure your FC is to spec? Holes in all six sides, especially bottom and lid? Very important because even a slight deviation will throw off the whole chamber.
my Temps are high 60 s to low 70 s already. the terrarium Is to.spec I'm quite positive . I'll have to poke th holes ou on the bottom I guess. but I do fluff up the perlite every once in a while with a fork. the only thing it would be is to close to the wall, but I can't have it I the middle.of the room. Hmmmm
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Luminous7]
#23350510 - 06/16/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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here's a pic o where the terrarium Is set up. I I it's seems blocked in. bu bu appear t get good fae . the condensation drys quickly fro walls and around the holes and I keep t window cracked at all times. the room is by no means stagnant
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Luminous7]
#23350517 - 06/16/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Raised a few inches by half pint wide mouth jars. maybe raise it a little higher?
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Luminous7]
#23350544 - 06/16/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, maybe get it a few inches higher, and also away from those walls and stuff. it needs like at least a foot on all sides. and the more the better. i used to have mine in a closet with maybe a foot in between all sides, but now that i opened my door and gave it much more room, it has done much better with pin formation and overall fruit health.
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23350553 - 06/16/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rosen_Rot said: Do you clean your SGFC after each grow or you just keep throwing cakes in there ?? Aso is your tub touching the floor or is it lifted??
I do monos and I clean them with steaming water and dish soap after each grow. Never had a bacterial problem that originated in the tub.
I don't clean it to.often. do you mean.between flushes? I have changed the perlite and wiped everything down with iso and h2o2 to try to combat the pseudos. but it helped a lil it didn't solve the issue. I'm going to try a mono for my next Culture a start fresh from scratch. I feel like these cakes and subs harbour the pseudos and it just keeps coming back.
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Luminous7]
#23350562 - 06/16/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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another thing I suspect and can see I the pins push through the verm and moisture stays on the caps when verm stick to them cause little blotch marks. I try to brush off all verm when I notice but I can't get it all all the time. my very first flush off rye cakes did just fine. I soaked the shit out of everything with misting alot and.had.no issues.
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: mupetmower]
#23350570 - 06/16/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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mupetmower said: yeah, maybe get it a few inches higher, and also away from those walls and stuff. it needs like at least a foot on all sides. and the more the better. i used to have mine in a closet with maybe a foot in between all sides, but now that i opened my door and gave it much more room, it has done much better with pin formation and overall fruit health.
Ya I'll have to figure something out.. I don't have alot.of space and can't really have it in the middle of the room u know.
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Luminous7]
#23350614 - 06/16/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Try to move all that stuff on the left side of your SGFC to allow more air circulation.
Make sure your perlite is damp. If it's dried out, then the circulation slows down.
How sure are you of your contam identification?
After this grow,make sure you clean everything real well including SGFC and perlite. I don't usually recommend it, but in your case I would rinse the perlite and clean the SGFC with a 10% bleach solution. Let it sit for an hour or so and then rinse real well. If you do this and still have the same problem, then it's likely your contamination is coming from your cakes or inoculum.
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: SpitballJedi]
#23350887 - 06/16/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you had blocked holes in the bottom that is going to cause real issues for sure. Like SBJ said there is way too much stuff hanging around it and it needs to be elevated more. Try for at least 6". It should have at least 2 ft clearance on the four sides. Without holes cleared in the bottom and elevated to bring in fresh moist air, it is going to dry out faster along with being filled with stale air. Run it properly and you will see better results.
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Re: Problems with my set up :( Advice ? (pictures Included) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23350994 - 06/16/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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than guys , I will try to dampen the perlite, ( RH is low) raise I higher and g it more space around all side a see how that goes.
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