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Pastywhyte
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: worowa]
#23355381 - 06/17/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fruiting substrate or not that's pretty cool with the kings. Oysters are beast
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: worowa]
#23357414 - 06/18/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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worowa said: ...oops, just saw you wanted spawn alternatives, whereas these where fruiting substrates.
No thats fine, mate. Great that you got carrots to work. You give the results, I can skip the testing.
Thanks, time for carrot + paper testing.
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23358465 - 06/18/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Confirmed, oyster eats carrot, even non organic ones. Thanks for the input "hellolion" and "worowa".

It seems I was right with the micro nutrients. Slow but strong and very white growth.
Carrot as liquid fertilizer next.
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hellolion
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23359271 - 06/18/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the update! I figured there was a good chance it would eat into those carrots eventually, even if they have a little residual fungicidal junk on them. Oyster mushrooms are pretty resiliant and can overcome a lot, it's just a question of how long it will take them.
Really cool to see progress, looking forward to seeing what you do next!
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: hellolion]
#23359910 - 06/19/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I itend to liquidate the carrots, heat them up and add them to paper pellets, no added water.
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23360581 - 06/19/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here is how I turned carrots and paper into my test substrate.

Thanks again guys.
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Items:
Blender and, or, vegetable masher. Waste Paper or pellets. Carrots, and water.
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First weigh your paper pellets.

I am doing 4 parts carrots.

And 4 parts water.

Add the carrots and water to the blender.

Blend and mix in with the paper.

Microwave for 2:40 and mix.

Reheat for 40 seconds.
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23360987 - 06/19/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here is the finished spawn substrate, and my tissue sample to paper + SPF test. Left, paper + SPF, after 2.5 weeks. Right, paper + carrot, new.

I inoculated using a colonized paper spawn sample. Lets see if and how well it grows.
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23363208 - 06/20/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here is the original carrot test, which I am going to throw away.

I got all the information I needed, and also from "worowa". No contamination, but very rich in micro nutrients.
Slow but very strong growth. Fingers crossed.
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23367012 - 06/21/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So the carrot and paper sample has begun to grow after 48 hours. However too small for images, maybe on day 3 or 4.
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The clone to Paper + SPF spawn finished today so I used it. The PSPF spawn is under the line, at the bottom.
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23370121 - 06/22/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Carrot and paper sample, successful after 2 days, here are day 3 images.

Anyone ever tried any similar experiments?
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Marty Mycfly
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23370131 - 06/22/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pretty damn fascinating Ferather
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23370183 - 06/22/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well tbh it boils down to two things. Food or energy and micro nutrients.
Based of nutrition guides, Food: Plant fiber, Starch, Sugar. We want plant fiber, no less than 50% is ideal.
As far as micro nutrients, its hard to say. I use this site to compare foods.
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23373931 - 06/23/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Carrot and paper day 4, looking twice as strong as day 3, getting stronger too.

Not quite as good as PSPF though. Here are some images to compare.

WBS sample, day 3. Tissue sample, day 4.
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23376130 - 06/24/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The PSPF tissue sample spawn to more PSPF is going well.
Before and after, 3 days later:

Sorry for the image quality.
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23383914 - 06/26/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey Ferather, I remember reading somewhere, and I cant remember where, that King Oysters are commonly found in carrot fields and fruiting off of carrots. Anyways, thought that might be an interesting note for you regarding the carrots and future experiments with them.
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23384054 - 06/26/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmm thats interesting, Golden oyster on carrot and paper isn't doing much better than just paper. King Oysters may have a different nutrient requirement or digestion method.
Some wood loving species only grow on certain types of wood or plant. I bet its to do with micro nutrients or digestion method.
Here is a Zinc example, made up:
(A) Zinc-Sulphate (B) Zinc-Nitrate
Lets say species 'X' can breakdown and digest chemical 'A'. So it gets zinc. Now with chemical 'B' instead, it can't breakdown the bond, it dies.
Plant 'X' produces chemical 'A', the mycelium grows. Plant 'Y' produces chemical 'B', no growth.
Micro nutrients + digestibility.
Thanks for your input.
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Ferather
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23414099 - 07/05/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone had success with teabags as spawn? If so what steps where taken?
Thanks.
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23414302 - 07/05/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ferather said: Anyone had success with teabags as spawn? If so what steps where taken?
Thanks.
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Ferather said: Hmm thats interesting, Golden oyster on carrot and paper isn't doing much better than just paper. King Oysters may have a different nutrient requirement or digestion method.
Some wood loving species only grow on certain types of wood or plant. I bet its to do with micro nutrients or digestion method.
Here is a Zinc example, made up:
(A) Zinc-Sulphate (B) Zinc-Nitrate
Lets say species 'X' can breakdown and digest chemical 'A'. So it gets zinc. Now with chemical 'B' instead, it can't breakdown the bond, it dies.
Plant 'X' produces chemical 'A', the mycelium grows. Plant 'Y' produces chemical 'B', no growth.
Micro nutrients + digestibility.
Thanks for your input.
Pleurotus eryngii lives naturally eating the dying roots of other plants in the carrot family. And are adapted to live is weak parasites to the roots of herbaceous plants , especially the carrot family.
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Re: What other spawn substrates have you tried? [Re: Ferather]
#23415514 - 07/05/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ferather said: Anyone had success with teabags as spawn? If so what steps where taken?
Thanks.
Ive not tried it but considered it as I go through several thousand bags a year they add up quickly.
Tea is quite spongy with the right water content which makes me think it won't have the same problems with becoming anaerobic like straight coffee grounds.
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