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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Plain]
#23430350 - 07/10/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Plain said: Or maybe they were doing the home invasion to get guns and steal items they can make money off. I think they used what they stole to but some illegal ghost guns.
Not sure where the guns came from so i got no clue for certain.
Just a theory of mine thats all.
they had pictures of themselves with guns all over their facebook pages. the guns were in their possession long before the home invasion
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Good to know thanks for the info 
Im guessing the guns were illegal though?
Or were they legal?
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You read back and get ahold of what actually happened here, answer my questions, as pris did, and then perhaps I'll entertain you. You have far from earned my respect or time to entertain you with your weak ass assumptions and accusations
- you posted a video of a Canadian woman blogging about home invasion - I laughed about mittens comment. I quoted how she was glad there were no guns in the house - prisoner commented how she could have defended herself had she had guns - I said maybe she would have for shot and asked if the statistics line up with this - he said no and cited a Philly study that's flawed. Then went on about YouTube videos showing home invaders stopped in their tracks, etc - I felt like arguing on a tangent how YouTube is a source for him in this instant but not in others  -you come in like a hot head on meth, and start melting all over me
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Plain]
#23430369 - 07/10/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Plain said: Good to know thanks for the info 
Im guessing the guns were illegal though?
Or were they legal?
pretty sure they were illegal since all of them but the 13yo had priors
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Masked said: I don't think legal gun ownership should be easy. 
I dont think hundreds of millions of people should be punished for the wrong doings of a few thousand, that's like banning marijuana, LSD, etc... because a few people got high and did something stupid
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I myself have guns.
I hear lots of canadians say that but I dont believe them outside of one, he's a bush pilot, I know him and I know he owns guns in canada
Well, granted, I'm in a more remote area and trust me, everyone owns guns. Mostly rifles and shotguns. I love my defender. It's major bear territory here and we all do lots of camping and hiking. It's a must.
Handguns are very uncommon tho. I don't know many that have their restricted license to own them.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Masked] 1
#23430374 - 07/10/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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why need a gun?
because i believe no man is above another to tell them what piece of technology they may or may not have.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Masked] 1
#23430378 - 07/10/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Masked said: -you come in like a hot head on meth, and start melting all over me
you better wash it off before it dries, that stuff stains
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keyser_soze said: why need a gun?
because i believe no man is above another to tell them what piece of technology they may or may not have.
You know, I find this logic more sound than any other when I think about it
I dig it
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Masked]
#23430395 - 07/10/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Masked said: Well, granted, I'm in a more remote area and trust me, everyone owns guns. Mostly rifles and shotguns. I love my defender. It's major bear territory here and we all do lots of camping and hiking. It's a must.
Handguns are very uncommon tho. I don't know many that have their restricted license to own them.
given that you're in beartown it's more plausible, it's the same reason he owns them, he keeps a 12ga and a .44mag on him in the styx, he has a few other pistols for every day carry
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That's cool I guess. Whatever floats ur boat
Im going to be honest...
I generally don't get involved in the big gun debates until recently. And even then, I'm not really involved
But I've lurked all of them from the beginning. And that's many years of seeing this same arguement with the same characters 
I'm biased. I see Canada's regulations and gun violence. And I see the states regulations(or lack of) and gun violence. My biased correlation automatically assumes it's the regulations.
But more than one poster has argued it's the culture. We have a different culture than that of yours down in the states.
I can see this being plausible.
But if the culture is fucked, and you can't fix it, why keep giving a crazy and sick society such easy access to guns? I'm not saying take your guns away. Fuck that. I say, just make it harder to get guns. Make people be more responsible gun owners.
But then I saw some recent post from you sharing stats on half a billion guns estimated in the states, roughly. And how gun violence is dropping. And see, I thought it was rising. It seems there is such conflicting data out there 
You guys get to play with toys I'll never be able to And it's easy as walking into a Walmart or some shit. Lol I can't even imagine that.
So I do envy you in a way. But I still can own weapons, and I have no real use for handguns and pistols, besides fun factor, so I suppose I'll live. I feel safe, I'm still armed and I don't feel my rights are taken away
Why is the thought of similar regulations for the states so appalling when many of us are so comfortable with it?
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Masked]
#23430475 - 07/10/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Masked said: You read back and get ahold of what actually happened here, answer my questions, as pris did, and then perhaps I'll entertain you. You have far from earned my respect or time to entertain you with your weak ass assumptions and accusations
- you posted a video of a Canadian woman blogging about home invasion - I laughed about mittens comment. I quoted how she was glad there were no guns in the house - prisoner commented how she could have defended herself had she had guns - I said maybe she would have for shot and asked if the statistics line up with this - he said no and cited a Philly study that's flawed. Then went on about YouTube videos showing home invaders stopped in their tracks, etc - I felt like arguing on a tangent how YouTube is a source for him in this instant but not in others  -you come in like a hot head on meth, and start melting all over me
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The nutshell version of your ignorance
As I recall, you made a quote that went something along the lines of "thank god there weren't any guns"= canadian woman
I responded to what she probably meant
and then the rest is you ignoring logic spouting illogical bullshit
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One bullet could have prevented this entire thread...
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: liloldme] 1
#23430528 - 07/10/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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liloldme said: One bullet could have prevented this entire thread...
Dont you mean abortion
i joke
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Well you recall exactly what I just said 
Stop being so obtuse
It's okay though. Seems to be a common theme with you
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#23430534 - 07/10/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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liloldme said: One bullet could have prevented this entire thread...
Dont you mean abortion
i joke
mid-life abortion.
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#23430627 - 07/10/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm biased. I see Canada's regulations and gun violence. And I see the states regulations(or lack of) and gun violence. My biased correlation automatically assumes it's the regulations.
But more than one poster has argued it's the culture. We have a different culture than that of yours down in the states.
I can see this being plausible.
canada has always had lower rates of violence than in the US, in the US it was the mid 60s to the 70s we saw a huge increase in violence, we saw a huge reduction in the 90s. it can be argued that the increase was due to emboldened blacks after the civil rights movement given that a lot of that crime came from blacks and while that's a part of it there's many other factors such as poor record keeping or simply not recording violence against blacks, in the 90s we saw a large decrease in violence and crime in general, back down to the pre civil rights crime rates, again it's many factors that contributed but each side of the argument has their views such as legalized abortion or the increase in the number of weapons being sold during the clinton era
the violence it's self boils down to culture, you have one that's being taught to stay pissed at the police, whites and others, that they're victims of everything and that they need to man up to all of these injustices in addition to the lack of supervision in many impoverished areas, the lack of discipline, etc... all of which stems from other cultural problems. all of it is perpetuated in movies and music, and now with social media it's a shitload of drama carried over from real life to the internet which causes more problems IRL
there's no single cause and no single solution
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But if the culture is fucked, and you can't fix it, why keep giving a crazy and sick society such easy access to guns? I'm not saying take your guns away. Fuck that. I say, just make it harder to get guns. Make people be more responsible gun owners.
once more, there's more than 100 million gun owners int he US, there's nearly half a billion guns, the guns arent the problem, the gun owners arent the problem, the problem isnt the laws because we do have laws in place that provide for background checks and shit but just like canada, you cant stop criminals from getting guns and doing bad shit, we see it with the Parliament Hill shootings in Ottawa, we see it with the mall shooting in Toronto and the hundreds of other shootings, we especially saw it with the home invasion/mac's murder because we know they were looking for more guns that were purchased legally and would have been sold illegally or used in other crimes
canada's strict gun laws has done fuckall to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, the laws in the US would be more effective if we had federal law enforcement agencies prosecuting people for trying to buy them when they're prohibited from doing so, we have an administration in the oval office that was telling guns stores to sell guns illegally to straw purchases and illegals because they were taking them back to mexico only many didnt go to mexico and are being used here. the US gun problems start with the president of the nation because he has an agenda to push and he's using illegal means to achieve his goals
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But then I saw some recent post from you sharing stats on half a billion guns estimated in the states, roughly. And how gun violence is dropping. And see, I thought it was rising. It seems there is such conflicting data out there 
guns keep people safe, most of the homicides in this country are criminals killing each other off, I'm fine with that as long as they keep that shit in their own neighborhoods, the concept is herd immunity, in the 90s many states started adopting no retreat/stand your ground laws, they started with 'shall issue' gun permits for concealed carry. when these laws passed crime rates stared dropping int he states that adopted them, the crooks didnt know who was carrying and who wasnt, they didnt know which home would shoot and which wouldnt, this is well illustrated with Kennesaw Ga, in the 80s they made it mandatory to own a firearm, their crime rate dropped but when basing it on raw numbers, there was never an increase in the numbers. a few robberies, a few property crimes, a few rapes, etc... but for the most part on the raw numbers it was stagnating. the city had 5000 people living there when the law past, in 2000 it was 25000 and there was no increase in the numbers on crimes, based on crime rates, that's a huge reduction in the crime rate. now even though a kennesaw resident may not wish to own a gun, the fact that all his neighbors own a gun helps to keep him safe because the odds of a burglar/home invader picking the one house with no gun in the neighborhood are much slimmer so they more often move on
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table8statecuts/table_8_offenses_known_to_law_enforcement_georgia_by_city_2011.xls
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You guys get to play with toys I'll never be able to And it's easy as walking into a Walmart or some shit. Lol I can't even imagine that.
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Why is the thought of similar regulations for the states so appalling when many of us are so comfortable with it?
we're a country born of revolution, it's taught to us in our schools and expressed to us frequently in our lives, we see the evidence of tyranny in countries all over the world, many in nations we've gone to fight in such as Rwanda, Vietnam, Korea, Bosnia, Kosovo and even Iraq and Afghanistan, we see what happens when the citizens are disarmed, but most importantly, in the US we have certain rights that even countries such as canada do not have such as the 4th amendment, which reads "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." and our first amendment right to freedom of the press and free speech, while you may believe you have these rights the charter of rights has exclusions on searches which state they can search without a warrant or probable cause if the officer can articulate that it's in the best interest of canada and you dont have a right to use hate speech, you can be arrested and adjudicated for it.
now with all these rights, yes, cops can in fact violate them but because of this we do have recourse, the one right that guarantees all other rights we enjoy including the abolition of slavery, it's our guns that ensure them, without the second amendment law makers have nothing to fear
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liloldme said: One bullet could have prevented this entire thread...
Dont you mean abortion
i joke
mid-life abortion.
I support abortion up until the 132nd trimester
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I enjoyed the majority of your post...and I thank you for putting the time and effort into it. I will ponder and reflect on all that you said
I liked the majority...it got a little too patriotic near the end for my tastes. You can say what you want about your constitution and our charter of rights and freedoms (and the bill of rights), but I see the unlawful and corrupt behaviour of your government agencies and police forces. Of course, corruption can be found anywhere, even here, but up here, our rights are well protected and you'll never convince me that we aren't one of the most free countries in the world.
Like I said, our rules and policies seem to work pretty well for us. But you offered good insight as to why this might be.
Still, you blatantly admit that you, as a nation, are conditioned and nurtured to want guns. I understand that may be slightly twisting words, but I call them like I see them.
Perhaps I don't understand the American culture like I thought I did.
Us Canadians, and the majority of the world, have a tough time swallowing American "gunz blazing" patriotism, so forgive me if yours puts me on edge. Perhaps that cultural difference we spoke of is at play here
But regardless, you made a lot of good points. In going to read that post a few times and reflect on it
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Plain]
#23430807 - 07/10/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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liloldme said: One bullet could have prevented this entire thread...
Dont you mean abortion
It mind as well be. Same results.
It's a act of aggression for sure.
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