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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23427858 - 07/09/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually the chart shows every crime except robbery staying unchanged, but have fun in your little fantasy land, I'm sure the women being raped in Australia are very happy they're not also being robbed :lol:





Look at the actual figures... there is a drop

One chart isnt everything. Especially considering it has barely anything to do with gun crime


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23427867 - 07/09/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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ffs stop being picky. No of course... WOW YOU JUST PROVED THERE IS CRIME IN AUSTRALIA GOOD FUCKING JOB!





so you're saying the gun ban did nothing to curb gun crime in australia?
did it do anything to curb crime at all, I mean as koods likes to put it,
"of civilized nations" Australia is the rape capital of the world


http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/11/10/australias-secret-gun-problem-exposed/


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Gun control works because it significantly lowers the amount of lives lost. Not to mention people in Australia live in safety, unlike in murica where you "need guns to protect yourselves'






does it?

looks to me like it's been pretty much the same
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html




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Tell me what actual harm will come of gun control... and compared to amount of lives that will be saved... how can you justify it.




but you cant prove that it will save lives, arent there still homicides
committed with guns in australia and england? arent there still homicides
in both of these countries? sure, it's easy to make the claim but when
australia's homicide rates are the same and englands homicide rates have
actually increased, how the hell can you claim they've saved lives?





sigh... gun crime has been lowered,




oh, gun crime has been lowered... but the murders havent stopped, they havent even declined

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you dont live here. That chart shows crime dropping...





oh, crime is dropping, not gun crime and not murders, in fact rapes are pretty
much where they've always been


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23427872 - 07/09/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually the chart shows every crime except robbery staying unchanged, but have fun in your little fantasy land, I'm sure the women being raped in Australia are very happy they're not also being robbed :lol:





Look at the actual figures... there is a drop

One chart isnt everything. Especially considering it has barely anything to do with gun crime





if murders are at the same leveal as in the past 40 years, guns have been banned,
does that suggest that it's not the gun that's the problem? it suggest to me that
aussies are delusional


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23427944 - 07/09/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually the chart shows every crime except robbery staying unchanged, but have fun in your little fantasy land, I'm sure the women being raped in Australia are very happy they're not also being robbed :lol:





Look at the actual figures... there is a drop

One chart isnt everything. Especially considering it has barely anything to do with gun crime




By golly you're right, so banning guns lowers crimes having "barely anything to do with gun crime"... I'm sorry, what was your point again?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23427969 - 07/09/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Armed robbery has dropped significantly, murders have actually dropped slightly. GUN homicides have dropped significantly.

How can you call us delusional. Your the ones who refuse to change. Just like with everything else... like imperial measurements. People didnt just switch because its newer... its because its better and the right thing to do. Everyone in the world knows your gun laws are stupid and wrong.

You can refer to that chart all you want... But there are plenty of other stats

actual gun homicides have halved, same with suicides, other fatalities, injuries. All have more than doubled there rate of decline.

So yes gun control has worked here. You can confirmation bias all you want and google all the shitty stats you want. But the reality is Australia is a very safe place especially when it comes to gun crime.

Heres some videos showing how hated your laws are around the world and how common people hate on you for it.





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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23428021 - 07/09/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Cars kill many more people than guns. We should ban those too, if it is worth just one life it will be worth it. We should also ban knives, they kill 5 times as many people as all rifles combined and need to be outlawed. Plastic obama-sporks will be issued to every household. Blunt objects also kill more people than rifles. Ban. All baseball players will be issued whiffle bats and metal golf clubs will be banned. Hands and feet kill twice as many people as rifles. We should make assaulting people illegal. Think of all the lives we can save :rolleyes:


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
    #23428039 - 07/09/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

On a more serious note, if someone wants to kill someone, they are going to do it. If guns are hard to obtain, they will find another way. Notice the use of knives vs guns is inversely proportional... overall homicides in australia have remained somewhat consistent.

Straight of australias institute of crime website:



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There has been a pronounced change in the type of weapons used in homicide since monitoring began. Firearm use has declined by more than half since 1989-90 as a proportion of homicide methods, and there has been an upward trend in the use of knives and sharp instruments, which in 2006-07 accounted for nearly half of all homicide victims.





Either way the effects of gun control in australia will not mirror what would happen in the US.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #23428049 - 07/09/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So when you ban guns, gun crime goes down, but murder, rape and other crime stays fairly consistent. So all you do banning guns is ban the method by wich people kill each other.

And that makes complete sense to you?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23428057 - 07/09/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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So when you ban guns, gun crime goes down, but murder, rape and other crime stays fairly consistent. So all you do banning guns is ban the method by wich people kill each other.

And that makes complete sense to you?



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hostileuniverse said:
So when you ban guns, gun crime goes down, but murder, rape and other crime stays fairly consistent. So all you do banning guns is ban the method by wich people kill each other.

And that makes complete sense to you?




I assume that's sarcasm? Because that's the point I was making.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #23428060 - 07/09/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Meant to reply to the Aussie, this interwebs stuff is hard


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23428062 - 07/09/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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murders have actually dropped slightly. GUN homicides have dropped significantly.





but there's still gun homicides and the numbers for homicides are pretty much the same, that's after the spike in armed robberies, rapes, murders, etc that came after the gun ban

that's what we call delusional, even the australian press says so


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Your the ones who refuse to change.





why should we change, if you're happy with the way things are then stay happy
with it, I'm happy with what we have and wont be moving to australia

when comparing, we have more and more guns with each month and year setting
record sales in firearms and yet our firearms crimes rates are dropping, our
crime rates are dropping, our homicide rates are dropping. now how would you
explain that when each year about 3-5 million more guns are in the hands of
civilians here? in fact the trends seem to be about the same for both countries with a much more dramatic drop in the US




the way we trrack gun sales in the US is by the number of background checks,
around 52,000 per day during the last few months and under obama it's steadily
been growing in numbers, in fact during his entire presidency there have been
141,392,490 according to the FBI records. ad that to the 330,000,000 guns that
were already in the US and it would seem that you guys have a very serious gun
problem since we have nearly half a billion guns in citizens hands and only
around 9000 homicides each year, not all of them relating to guns. that's down
from 32,000 per year back when Clinton was in office


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23428070 - 07/09/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Cars are necessary for society, guns are not. Guns provide nothing to society but pain and suffering(in the hands of private civilians)

All crime went down. Those are old stats and mean nothing.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that your culture on guns is just bad... I just dont understand.

Ill say it again. Gun control hurts nobody. Yet no gun control hurts everyone.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23428084 - 07/09/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Cars are necessary for society, guns are not. Guns provide nothing to society but pain and suffering(in the hands of private civilians)

All crime went down. Those are old stats and mean nothing.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that your culture on guns is just bad... I just dont understand.

Ill say it again. Gun control hurts nobody. Yet no gun control hurts everyone.





What about the ability to defend yourself and enjoyment? That's what they provide to law abiding civilians.

Criminals, not so much, but they will get guns legal or not. You also seem to be forgetting that for every gun used in a homicide, justifiable or not, there are 50,000 that were never used to kill anyone.

Idk why I even argue with you I swear you would argue 1+1=3  after being shown with a calculator it's 2. You are thoroughly brainwashed.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23428093 - 07/10/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So give us some stats man, show us how great gun control is, show us how murders and rapes have gone down since its enactment

If the facts and figures were there, it would be different, but they're not. Banning guns isn't something we should do becuase it makes certain people FEEL better


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68] * 1
    #23428095 - 07/10/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Cars are necessary for society, guns are not. Guns provide nothing to society but pain and suffering(in the hands of private civilians)





that's a load of liberal horse shit

did mankind thrive without cars? arent cars way up on the list of things causing
global warming, not just their operation but the manufacture and even disposal,
then we look at all those pol spills and wars for oil you liberals keep talking
about. it would seem that cars bring more pain and suffering than guns, cars are
apparently driving the planet to extinction all because liberals say they are
vital to our existence

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All crime went down. Those are old stats and mean nothing.






really, you're trying to argue with the statistics?

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Why is it so hard for you to accept that your culture on guns is just bad... I just dont understand.





why is it so hard for you to accept that you're so very wrong



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Ill say it again. Gun control hurts nobody. Yet no gun control hurts everyone.




again, what a load of liberal nonsense. stop being a parrot



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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #23428121 - 07/10/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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A gun's purpose is to murder people?

Seriously?

How about self defense, target shooting, and hunting? Pretty much every gun on the civilian market is designed with one of those in mind.

While drugs may not directly harm anyone but the user, many do lead to addiction and reckless behavior when used in excess which in turn does harm others. Used responsibly yeah they are harmless. Just like an AK-47 in the hands of a responsible gun owner.

I'm anti prohibition and pro gun. I do not think society be stripped of their rights to own modern weapons or put whatever substances in their body they choose just because of a few fucked up people.

On the topic of public safety... 3 times more children under the age of 14 are killed by alcohol impaired drivers than there are people killed by all rifles (including scary black AR's, AK's, and mass shootings) per year.




I agree with you on this. I also believe as you said earlier it is a God given right to protect our selves and that as far as the USA is concerned gun's accompany that statement.

Legalize all drugs and all guns FTW.

Also I would like to mention that China for example has banned gun's (no shock here) however they have mass stabbings monthly.

Chinese dudes almost every time when it happen's walks into elementary school's and commits mass stabbings towards Children. It's really sick actually and a huge problem there. I would rather see kid's get shot up than stabbed to death if I had to choose.

I personally would rather be shot to death rather than stabbed.. fast or slow.. shot any day over stabbed..


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23428191 - 07/10/16 01:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Bigotry? Because he believes his country's gun control laws work fairly well. He isn't prevented from owning a gun for protection. He just can't have any damn gun he wants.

And how is owning a gun a god given right? Is that in the bible?




Koods you have finally given me a good response. I was actually wondering if you had lost your desire to fight/ stand up for your opinions/ beliefs on here! I do not mean that in any negative way what so ever.

My response to him was out of past previous conversation. If you search the "smiley" thread you will see or read.. geez idk how many pages back into this one/thread.

He has clearly stated that the USA need's to be just like Australia and any where that's different is pretty much trash. If you would like I can pull up some quotes (I will do this if wanted hehe) but otherwise I hope you understand what I'm saying. You will have to excuse me if I'm lacking sense here, I just woke up- am pretty out of it.

I'm glad you asked me this. I honestly do not think I can pull you one quote from the bible that states owning a gun is a God given right. There are quotes stating that you may be protected from/by God him self or in new Testament by / threw Covenant.

Since the bible of course.. is a Covenant book. "Old Testament" = Old Covenant. New testament = New Covenant. I highly suggest for believers or non believers a like if they are studying the book as just a book or even in belief to read that book with a Covenant understanding. Studying Covenant is important to get a more accurate understanding of the bible.

I do know the constitution was written with those under the influence of the bible or inspiration there of.

I can give you this quote if you would like to see the connection to the bible and the constitution:

“A Constitutional Republic” is a government created and controlled, at least, by the Law of a Constitution.  The Constitution of the United States of America was, in Law, foundationally based on the Bible, the Magna Carta, the principles of The Declaration of Independence and upon the experience of the people.  Those documents recognize the divine nature of man’s creation, man’s sovereignty and man’s divine right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness."

but yea.. I mean maybe if some one was to search "Bible versus that stand up for gun ownership", you would be able to find some type of connection, I don't know. However I would honestly think there are versus in there standing up for the weapons of the times if it does stand up for weapon usage in the sense of other than prayer and such- God as a weapon. lol.




The constitution was not based of the bible. You just found your confirmation bias. The founding fathers where not even fully christian. Find some real evidence plis. Also you cant use imaginary creatures as an excuse for REAL LAWS EFFECTING REAL PEOPLE, LEAVE YOUR FUCKING IMAGINARY FRIEND TO YOURSELF.

See the thing is... gun control in our country worked... as it did in basically every other modern country. You can make all the excuses you want but at the end of the day our works yours doesnt. This isnt an australia thing this is just common sense in the world these days. But of course murica needs its imperial measurements and needs to stay in the past for whatever reason. Your current system doesnt work.

You can try to live in your fantasy world where everything is legal and people dont pay taxes and there and murders with guns everywhere killing people in the name of their imaginary friend. But really thats just your fantasy land. Please keep that stuff in your head.

Your countries attitude towards guns prevents you from saving lives. Does gun control hurt anyone... no. Yet even with the huge amount of lives that could be saved, that of course doesnt matter because guns are more important than lives to muricans.




Dude.. I'm really sorry to burst your bubble man but we have God in our Pledge of allegiance. It's said every single day threw out public school's... Have you never heard Amazing Grace? It's a good calming song, I suggest you look it up. I'm not so sure why our nation would be so heavily invested in God if they did not believe it was a basis from the founding fathers. Could you explain that to me please? don't avoid the question, you brought it up here. I was replying to koods.



You see that dollar bill right there? It says In God we trust

"The inclusion of the motto, "In God We Trust," on all currency was required by law in 1955, and first appeared on paper money in 1957."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_one-dollar_bill

Here read this quote lil man :

"The laws set forth in the U.S. Constitution did not emerge out of a moral vacuum unrelated to the writers' own beliefs, but rather are the product of the reasonings of those who created it. By their own words, the Founding Fathers were not neutral on the question of religion as the basis of government and society.

For example, in a letter to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts, John Adams writes, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Noah Webster stated, "The moral principles and precepts contained in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible."

Delegate Governor Morris of Pennsylvania forthrightly professed, "I believe that religion is the only solid base of morals, and that morals are the only possible support of free governments. Therefore education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man towards God."

"While the Constitution does not explicitly refer to God, the concepts of law which it contains stem from the cultural assumptions of basic biblical truths widely held by the people of that time regardless of their actual piety towards God. In other words, it is an inarguable fact that not all Americans of that era actually held to the Christian faith, yet they held to the commonly accepted morals, ethics and standards of behavior derived from English Common Law, which drew from biblical law given to the Hebrews by God.
"

http://www.ehow.com/info_11384841_did-bible-influence-us-constitution.html

All I did was a quick 1 minute search to find this. It's all over the internet.

I'm sure I can pull up quote after quote of the founding father's in relation to the bible and such and God but I'm sure you will come up with some type of bull to null it. I expect this type of behavior from you.

One more things you said this :

"See the thing is... gun control in our country worked... as it did in basically every other modern country. You can make all the excuses you want but at the end of the day our works yours doesnt. This isnt an australia thing this is just common sense in the world these days. But of course murica needs its imperial measurements and needs to stay in the past for whatever reason. Your current system doesnt work."

Let me explain this to you really loud and clear. NO ONE HERE GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT AUSTRALIA. NO ONE HERE GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT "THE SYSTEM" WORKING. WE DON"T FUCKING CARE IF PEOPLE DIE FROM LEGALIZED GUNS.

No one cares. We have our freedom and your ass can't take it away. Eat that. Digest it. The only people here that care if people die because of gun legality is/are liberals.

I just did a quick search, 24% of the United States is Liberal. That is a small amount compared to the big picture. You are out numbered buddy.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/180452/liberals-record-trail-conservatives.aspx


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #23428543 - 07/10/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think one of the best reasons to have a gun (besides the ovbious) is so you can shoot up explosive clowns

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    #23428967 - 07/10/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Cars are necessary for society, guns are not. Guns provide nothing to society but pain and suffering(in the hands of private civilians)

All crime went down. Those are old stats and mean nothing.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that your culture on guns is just bad... I just dont understand.

Ill say it again. Gun control hurts nobody. Yet no gun control hurts everyone.



All this talk, denoting that private citizens, the ones giving the power in this country, should not have the right to optimally defend themselves.

I said it earlier, but it doesn't matter if banning guns would lower the death rate.

That isn't the fucking point. It wasnt even made for that, though that argument is as strong as someone should need. Of guns are illegal, and I get robbed, and I don't have a one because of some shitty liberal law, it's that stupid overstepping law maker's fault.
Not to mention it disinscentivises a corrupt government from overtaking us, and keeps police on their toes.

You authoritarian Australians and Europeans don't care about violating rights though. You only care about the death toll, which is mostly suicides and blacks in their thuggish inferior culture


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23428968 - 07/10/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I want to kill this thread with a gun


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