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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: falsereality]
    #23426650 - 07/09/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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trekie said:
As a libertarian you should be against banning shit.




I generally am, but do you want your local crack addict to be able to walk into a gun store and buy an ak47 for 400 USD? Same with paranoid schizophrenics, I've had exacto blades thrown at me because a schizophrenic thought I was satan, wouldn't want them armed with anything more than a pillow.





did you know that there are laws that make it illegal for crazy people and
druggies to possess guns. I personally dont know any crackheads that can
scrape together $400, pass the scrutiny of the store workers and then pass
the background check. maybe if the obama administration had not told the
justice department to stop prosecuting people that falsify the paperwork
in order to illegally obtain firearms then you wouldnt be so worried about
crackheads with guns




There are laws but they are ineffective.





why are they ineffective?

:obama:

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I was using crackhead colloquially, and I know a substantial number of heavy drug users with cash from trafficking/distribution.




do you think that these guys are going to the gun stores to purchase their firearms?

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I'm not for banning guns, I'm for responsible and common sense regulation. Hell I'm not even against banning automatic weapons or suppressors as long as the buyer is sane, responsible and passes the necessary background checks.





please tell us, what is responsible and common sense regulation, koods said the
same thing but it seems he cannot answer that question. in fact, I havent found
a liberal yet that could answer the question, they just repeat the same
legislation that's already been passed


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23426657 - 07/09/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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YeOlde said:
Gun prohibition vs Drug prohibition isn't even in the same ball park.

Murder Weapons vs Something to get you high?





so drugs have never killed anyone, is that what you're saying?

like not one single person was killed deliberately by drugs, maybe there's never
been a drug related suicide and maybe there's never been an accidental drug
related death... as I recall, more people fie due to drugs each year than die
due to guns and before you say that drugs have never been used in a mass killing


think again, far more died than in any mass shooting we've had in the US

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones#Deaths_in_Jonestown

drug and gun prohibition are the exact same




I've seen this mentioned many times. I find it unbelievable you make this comparison and I feel forced to try and make you see why there's a big difference.

A gun is an inanimate object with the purpose to murder people. Potentially many people with ease if it's a semi-auto in very little time.

A recreational drug (chemical / psychoactive) is an inanimate object whose sole purpose is make people feel good for n number of hours.

See the difference at all?

If i kill myself getting high that's too bad (for me and my family). I haven't harmed you or your family though. See the difference at all?

Lets put it another way. Mass gun ownership makes it easy to violate many peoples civil liberties.

I could own a shit ton of drugs for my personal consumption and at worse I kill myself through recklessness. I don't harm anyone's civil liberties though.

I am liberal in my views in general but I think guns are best left to the military. I don't think police or citizens should be armed.

Just like hand grenades, explosives, rocket launchers and nuclear weapons. Leave them to the armed forces.

Prohibition of guns won't eliminate them from society but it will make it much harder for the average joe to own them and in my opinion that's a great thing.

If the USA wanted to ban guns they should start with the bullets. Stop the sale and manufacturing of ammo. A gun is pretty useless without ammo.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: YeOlde]
    #23426665 - 07/09/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

In fact they should legalise the drug trade, regulate it. Let people get high in the comfort of their own homes. Then with all the resources they free up from policing drug possession they should use the time and tax they earn to focus on removing the instruments of murder.

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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: YeOlde]
    #23426750 - 07/09/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A gun's purpose is to murder people?

Seriously?

How about self defense, target shooting, and hunting? Pretty much every gun on the civilian market is designed with one of those in mind.

While drugs may not directly harm anyone but the user, many do lead to addiction and reckless behavior when used in excess which in turn does harm others. Used responsibly yeah they are harmless. Just like an AK-47 in the hands of a responsible gun owner.

I'm anti prohibition and pro gun. I do not think society be stripped of their rights to own modern weapons or put whatever substances in their body they choose just because of a few fucked up people.

On the topic of public safety... 3 times more children under the age of 14 are killed by alcohol impaired drivers than there are people killed by all rifles (including scary black AR's, AK's, and mass shootings) per year.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
    #23426768 - 07/09/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This thread made me hungry for bambi meat . Local shop here sells summer sausage :drooling: 

I cant wait for hunting season this year. Im single so that means sitting in the woods and reading for hours.  :nbk:


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: trekie] * 1
    #23426817 - 07/09/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: YeOlde]
    #23426832 - 07/09/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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A gun is an inanimate object with the purpose to murder people. Potentially many people with ease if it's a semi-auto in very little time.






an inanimate object


an inanimate object


an inanimate object



an inanimate object does not have a purpose, it cannot make choices







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A recreational drug (chemical / psychoactive) is an inanimate object whose sole purpose is make people feel good for n number of hours.






what were the psychoactive properties of cyanide as was used by jim jones? did
the people using it get high and enjoy themselves for a few hours?

like the gun which is an inanimate object as well, someone with ill intent can
use that substance for nefarious purposes such as killing 900 people that
believe in a cult leader in a matter of minutes


see the difference? neither do I... 2 inanimate objects that can be used to kill


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #23427036 - 07/09/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
Bigotry? Because he believes his country's gun control laws work fairly well. He isn't prevented from owning a gun for protection. He just can't have any damn gun he wants.

And how is owning a gun a god given right? Is that in the bible?




Koods you have finally given me a good response. I was actually wondering if you had lost your desire to fight/ stand up for your opinions/ beliefs on here! I do not mean that in any negative way what so ever.

My response to him was out of past previous conversation. If you search the "smiley" thread you will see or read.. geez idk how many pages back into this one/thread.

He has clearly stated that the USA need's to be just like Australia and any where that's different is pretty much trash. If you would like I can pull up some quotes (I will do this if wanted hehe) but otherwise I hope you understand what I'm saying. You will have to excuse me if I'm lacking sense here, I just woke up- am pretty out of it.

I'm glad you asked me this. I honestly do not think I can pull you one quote from the bible that states owning a gun is a God given right. There are quotes stating that you may be protected from/by God him self or in new Testament by / threw Covenant.

Since the bible of course.. is a Covenant book. "Old Testament" = Old Covenant. New testament = New Covenant. I highly suggest for believers or non believers a like if they are studying the book as just a book or even in belief to read that book with a Covenant understanding. Studying Covenant is important to get a more accurate understanding of the bible.

I do know the constitution was written with those under the influence of the bible or inspiration there of.

I can give you this quote if you would like to see the connection to the bible and the constitution:

“A Constitutional Republic” is a government created and controlled, at least, by the Law of a Constitution.  The Constitution of the United States of America was, in Law, foundationally based on the Bible, the Magna Carta, the principles of The Declaration of Independence and upon the experience of the people.  Those documents recognize the divine nature of man’s creation, man’s sovereignty and man’s divine right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness."

but yea.. I mean maybe if some one was to search "Bible versus that stand up for gun ownership", you would be able to find some type of connection, I don't know. However I would honestly think there are versus in there standing up for the weapons of the times if it does stand up for weapon usage in the sense of other than prayer and such- God as a weapon. lol.




The constitution was not based of the bible. You just found your confirmation bias. The founding fathers where not even fully christian. Find some real evidence plis. Also you cant use imaginary creatures as an excuse for REAL LAWS EFFECTING REAL PEOPLE, LEAVE YOUR FUCKING IMAGINARY FRIEND TO YOURSELF.

See the thing is... gun control in our country worked... as it did in basically every other modern country. You can make all the excuses you want but at the end of the day our works yours doesnt. This isnt an australia thing this is just common sense in the world these days. But of course murica needs its imperial measurements and needs to stay in the past for whatever reason. Your current system doesnt work.

You can try to live in your fantasy world where everything is legal and people dont pay taxes and there and murders with guns everywhere killing people in the name of their imaginary friend. But really thats just your fantasy land. Please keep that stuff in your head.

Your countries attitude towards guns prevents you from saving lives. Does gun control hurt anyone... no. Yet even with the huge amount of lives that could be saved, that of course doesnt matter because guns are more important than lives to muricans.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23427055 - 07/09/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

People are clueless about the founding fathers, they were devoutly religious, they just didn't want a federal govt instituting a state run religion. Just becuase they were opposed to state run religion doesn't mean they were opposed to religion.

Look up "freedom of religion"

Now explain to me why it doesn't say "freedom FROM religion"

It's ridiculous to think the founding fathers were all a bunch of atheists, but then again this comes from the same crowd who can find the right to abortion in the constitution but not the right to bear arms...:rolleyes:


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23427062 - 07/09/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i really hope this hasn't outgrown the coveted thumbprint thread... for the life of me i can't recall how many pages are in that one


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: bass head]
    #23427066 - 07/09/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

In Alaska they're for hunting


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: AlaskanMushies]
    #23427131 - 07/09/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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In Alaska they're for hunting




Hunting Grizzlies?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23427177 - 07/09/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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In Alaska they're for hunting




Hunting Grizzlies?




Moose mostly lol


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68] * 2
    #23427254 - 07/09/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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See the thing is... gun control in our country worked...





so there has not been a single shooting in austrlia since 1996?

oh look. a recent shooting in australia but please, tell us again how
australia's gun control works and there's no more gun crime


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/07/south-west-sydney-shooting-police-respond-amid-reports-two-killed

oh look, mass shootings in australia post gun ban

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hectorville_siege
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/dispute-between-neighbours-led-to-wedderburn-triple-murder-court-told-20150714-gibz5t.html

that's only a small number you say?

did the gun ban stop mass killings?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairns_child_killings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers_Hill,_New_South_Wales#Nursing_home_fire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_family_murders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Saturday_bushfires#Central_Gippsland_fires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childers_Palace_Backpackers_Hostel_fire

it seems that now people in australia can be stabbed or burned alive, the most
agonizing of deaths, but did that stop the gun crimes in australia?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/15/gun-violence-australia-sydney_n_6329158.html

even the children are getting in on it
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-shooting-idUSKCN0RX01O20151003

tell us again how australia cured the problem of gun crimes in australia by
banning guns, I for one would love to hear this fanciful tale of how an island
nation was capable of stopping the flow of guns into the nation and stop all
kinds of murders from taking place

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-29/man-shot-dead-outside-sydney-shopping-centre/7370790


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as it did in basically every other modern country.




like it helped england?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/europe/british-mp-jo-cox-attacked/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/07/police-very-concerned-spate-shootings-greater-manchester
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-35840332

oh, so it stopped the mass shootings did it

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/02/cumbria-shootings-slaughter-countryside-derrick-bird


it appears that shootings in these countries havent actually stopped, how can
you explain that when there's a gun ban in effect, could it be that criminals
dont pay attention to the laws?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23427446 - 07/09/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

-1.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23427679 - 07/09/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:
See the thing is... gun control in our country worked...





so there has not been a single shooting in austrlia since 1996?

oh look. a recent shooting in australia but please, tell us again how
australia's gun control works and there's no more gun crime


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/07/south-west-sydney-shooting-police-respond-amid-reports-two-killed

oh look, mass shootings in australia post gun ban

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hectorville_siege
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/dispute-between-neighbours-led-to-wedderburn-triple-murder-court-told-20150714-gibz5t.html

that's only a small number you say?

did the gun ban stop mass killings?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairns_child_killings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers_Hill,_New_South_Wales#Nursing_home_fire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_family_murders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Saturday_bushfires#Central_Gippsland_fires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childers_Palace_Backpackers_Hostel_fire

it seems that now people in australia can be stabbed or burned alive, the most
agonizing of deaths, but did that stop the gun crimes in australia?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/15/gun-violence-australia-sydney_n_6329158.html

even the children are getting in on it
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-shooting-idUSKCN0RX01O20151003

tell us again how australia cured the problem of gun crimes in australia by
banning guns, I for one would love to hear this fanciful tale of how an island
nation was capable of stopping the flow of guns into the nation and stop all
kinds of murders from taking place

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-29/man-shot-dead-outside-sydney-shopping-centre/7370790


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as it did in basically every other modern country.




like it helped england?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/europe/british-mp-jo-cox-attacked/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/07/police-very-concerned-spate-shootings-greater-manchester
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-35840332

oh, so it stopped the mass shootings did it

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/02/cumbria-shootings-slaughter-countryside-derrick-bird


it appears that shootings in these countries havent actually stopped, how can
you explain that when there's a gun ban in effect, could it be that criminals
dont pay attention to the laws?




ffs stop being picky. No of course... WOW YOU JUST PROVED THERE IS CRIME IN AUSTRALIA GOOD FUCKING JOB!

OH MY GOD THERE ARE BUSHFIRES IN AUSTRALIA WHO WOULD HAVE FUCKING GUESSED. in this dry nation... hmm fire so strange.

How many more padded links do you need to look like your post has any actually evidence or point.

Gun control works because it significantly lowers the amount of lives lost. Not to mention people in Australia live in safety, unlike in murica where you "need guns to protect yourselves'

Tell me what actual harm will come of gun control... and compared to amount of lives that will be saved... how can you justify it.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23427689 - 07/09/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah Pris! How dare post facts that debunk "gun confiscation leads to safety" BS, HOW DARE YOU???


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68] * 2
    #23427734 - 07/09/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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ffs stop being picky. No of course... WOW YOU JUST PROVED THERE IS CRIME IN AUSTRALIA GOOD FUCKING JOB!





so you're saying the gun ban did nothing to curb gun crime in australia?
did it do anything to curb crime at all, I mean as koods likes to put it,
"of civilized nations" Australia is the rape capital of the world


http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/11/10/australias-secret-gun-problem-exposed/


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Gun control works because it significantly lowers the amount of lives lost. Not to mention people in Australia live in safety, unlike in murica where you "need guns to protect yourselves'






does it?

looks to me like it's been pretty much the same
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html




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Tell me what actual harm will come of gun control... and compared to amount of lives that will be saved... how can you justify it.




but you cant prove that it will save lives, arent there still homicides
committed with guns in australia and england? arent there still homicides
in both of these countries? sure, it's easy to make the claim but when
australia's homicide rates are the same and englands homicide rates have
actually increased, how the hell can you claim they've saved lives?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23427832 - 07/09/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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kakashi68 said:

ffs stop being picky. No of course... WOW YOU JUST PROVED THERE IS CRIME IN AUSTRALIA GOOD FUCKING JOB!





so you're saying the gun ban did nothing to curb gun crime in australia?
did it do anything to curb crime at all, I mean as koods likes to put it,
"of civilized nations" Australia is the rape capital of the world


http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/11/10/australias-secret-gun-problem-exposed/


Quote:

Gun control works because it significantly lowers the amount of lives lost. Not to mention people in Australia live in safety, unlike in murica where you "need guns to protect yourselves'






does it?

looks to me like it's been pretty much the same
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html




Quote:

Tell me what actual harm will come of gun control... and compared to amount of lives that will be saved... how can you justify it.




but you cant prove that it will save lives, arent there still homicides
committed with guns in australia and england? arent there still homicides
in both of these countries? sure, it's easy to make the claim but when
australia's homicide rates are the same and englands homicide rates have
actually increased, how the hell can you claim they've saved lives?





sigh... gun crime has been lowered, you dont live here. That chart shows crime dropping... That chart doesnt really show it but homicide has dropped. Every life saved means a family isnt ruined by stupid laws. Because every single families pain an suffering means absoultly nothing to you muricans who think having your precious guns is just so much more important than saving lives. Disgusting.

So really... having more guns is going to make the crime rate go down? If england decided to legalise handguns the outcome would be irreparable and crime would go up and so would deaths.

Please actually answer my question this time instead of dodging it like a dirty politician. Gun control can only lower deaths and gun crime. Especially in a nation littered with guns.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23427844 - 07/09/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Actually the chart shows every crime except robbery staying unchanged, but have fun in your little fantasy land, I'm sure the women being raped in Australia are very happy they're not also being robbed :lol:


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