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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: trekie] 1
#23423289 - 07/08/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Give peace a chance. But own a gun if you wish. If I get one offered, I won't say no.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Asante] 3
#23423704 - 07/08/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd say it depends on the kind of place you live and the kind of standards you hold yourself and your neighbors to. Personally, I'm not threatened by other people possessing guns for the most part, as long as they seem reasonably safe and responsible. Personally, I don't carry a weapon for self-defense unless it's concealed, because I don't want to be the first target when the shit goes down, and because surprise gives me an advantage in a bad situation. That being said, I'm a pretty morally thoughtful guy when it comes to brandishing a weapon, and I wouldn't draw a gun unless I felt reasonably threatened and I was pretty certain that I had no better recourse. I've never had to draw a gun on anybody, and I doubt I ever will, but I like having the option to do so.
Personally I think all this desire for "gun control" is easily as stupid as any other desire for prohibition law. People should be empowered to possess and use guns properly through education and social pressure/guidance. Prohibition of a behavior that isn't directly harmful to others is just going to impose on responsible people like it always does. Prohibiting reasonably responsible use of weapons creates crime rather than stopping it the same way that prohibiting reasonably responsible use of drugs such as marijuana and mushrooms creates crime rather than stopping it.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: topdog82]
#23424121 - 07/08/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: hey so I ignored a lot of the posts in here. didn't even read em
But what would be the restrictions that you guys would want to see with guns? Moon said that pistols etc. should be restricted as they can be concealed. But what could we do?
Waiting periods? Background checks? I mean should felons be able to get guns? I want a gun owners opinion?
I am from cali and every shooting libtards blow my facebook feed up. The right claims to stand for less intervention of government into people's lives but fails at that. and is super interventionist with its foreign policy. Also its full of christian garbage thinking. Don't get me wrong; jesus was an awesome guy. But modern christianity, and ESPECIALLY the way that the right preaches it is utter garbage. and then we got the left who constantly advertises people having to give up basic human rights for the "greater good", while having some sort of naive confidence in the govt
what is a balanced approach to gun control/rights?
EDIT: There was like 5 pages of posts hating on koods and like standard internet arguement so those are the ones I ignored
I think things are good how they are for the most part on a federal level (some states are fucked), though I do think all states should allow constitutional carry and treat pistols no different than rifles. I also think that no firearm signs should not hold legal weight in states that they do... a mass shooter or armed robber obviously won't not carry because a sign says so... all they do is prevent citizens from defending themselves.
As it is, felons cannot get guns (legally), federal background checks are done nationwide on all FFL purchases (including internet sales), and straw purchases are severely punished. You cannot get a gun if you are a felon, have a history of violence, a domestic violence charge, have been committed to a mental institution, have had a dui in the past 3 years, or use drugs. I do think they should change the part about drugs though. You're an alcoholic? No problem, but you better not smoke weed or you are going to prison if you lie about it and we find out.
Ideally I'd like to see the NFA machine gun, SBR, and suppressor laws abolished but that will never happen (well at least the machine gun and SBR laws) so we've gotta be realistic.
Edited by luvdemboomers (07/08/16 04:28 PM)
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: topdog82]
#23424502 - 07/08/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: hey so I ignored a lot of the posts in here. didn't even read em
But what would be the restrictions that you guys would want to see with guns? Moon said that pistols etc. should be restricted as they can be concealed. But what could we do?
Waiting periods? Background checks? I mean should felons be able to get guns? I want a gun owners opinion?
I am from cali and every shooting libtards blow my facebook feed up. The right claims to stand for less intervention of government into people's lives but fails at that. and is super interventionist with its foreign policy. Also its full of christian garbage thinking. Don't get me wrong; jesus was an awesome guy. But modern christianity, and ESPECIALLY the way that the right preaches it is utter garbage. and then we got the left who constantly advertises people having to give up basic human rights for the "greater good", while having some sort of naive confidence in the govt
what is a balanced approach to gun control/rights?
EDIT: There was like 5 pages of posts hating on koods and like standard internet arguement so those are the ones I ignored
I own guns...
Make it like every other country. Handguns are illegal, semi auto and auto is illegal. rifles and shotguns are licensed which will keep out people with records, mental illness ect.
Pretty simple really... but oh no... you even think about changing the tiniest detail and the NRA will make it like your trying to make slavery legal again.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: kakashi68] 3
#23424540 - 07/08/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why do you keep talking about registration and licensing in conjunction with/reference to "keeping out people with records and mental illness". Do you think you can just walk in a store in America and buy a gun like it was a piece of fruit or something? Do you not understand there is already a system in place that is meant to weed out felons and the mentally ill? Hell you can't even legally buy a gun if you use illegal drugs and anyone who does is technically violating federal law. Because even THAT is asked on the background check sheet.
Actually I have a better question.. Why do you keep talking about stuff you obviously don't have a fucking clue about in the first place?
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Shroomslip said: Why do you keep talking about registration and licensing in conjunction with/reference to "keeping out people with records and mental illness". Do you think you can just walk in a store in America and buy a gun like it was a piece of fruit or something? Do you not understand there is already a system in place that is meant to weed out felons and the mentally ill? Hell you can't even legally buy a gun if you use illegal drugs and anyone who does is technically violating federal law. Because even THAT is asked on the background check sheet.
Actually I have a better question.. Why do you keep talking about stuff you obviously don't have a fucking clue about in the first place?
Because he's a self righteous idiot who thinks he knows what is best for everyone knowing magnitudes less than them about said topics.
Edited by luvdemboomers (07/08/16 08:13 PM)
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: topdog82] 1
#23424689 - 07/08/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: Why have a gun?
Because it's my God-given right, therefore I'm doing it.
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It's because he want's Australia to take over the world. Every country should be like his or it is completely wrong.
It's bigotry. Plain and simple. The idea of being a bigot can be understood by every one regardless of nationality.
He's the guy that say's "No don't do that like that.. Do it this way" even tho both way's may be just fine, no matter what it is in life.
Don't worry tho. He's not paying a Income tax. I'm sure as a good Samaritan he would not go out and buy a gun with the tax money/ welfare the people of the land give him.
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Bigotry? Because he believes his country's gun control laws work fairly well. He isn't prevented from owning a gun for protection. He just can't have any damn gun he wants.
And how is owning a gun a god given right? Is that in the bible?
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23425410 - 07/09/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: And how is owning a gun a god given right? Is that in the bible?
It doesn't have to be in the Bible. It's an innate right. You just know it in your very core if you're honest about it.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23426170 - 07/09/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: And how is owning a gun a god given right? Is that in the bible?
As a libertarian, I believe the laws surrounding owning a gun in a civilized society is an extremely complicated topic. There needs to be a LOT more measures in place because as it stands, people with mental illnesses are not tracked through any centralized system that ties in with the background check that one goes through when purchasing a gun.
I don't believe in open carry, that shit just scares people, but I do believe in concealed carry licenses for sane, responsible, trained gun owners. I've spent upwards of a thousand hours on the range and have trained hundreds of people to shoot rifles accurately. I think I should be able to own a gun , and I do. I sold off my AK and AR-10 and AR-15 though because I just thought it was unnecessary. I'm keeping my 22's, 45 and 223 though.
Your adversity to guns is understandable, but your proposed methods of control are unrealistic. It will take time, decades, to adequately figure this shit out. By that I mean imposing a centralized database of civilians that should legally be able to own a gun.
My HK Mark 23 has saved my life before, once when someone tried to jump me with a knife. Usually, when you draw you're supposed to shoot, but it acted as a deterrent and he ran away. No need to take a life if it's not absolutely necessary.
I'm just trying to provide a perspective from someone that owns guns responsibly, but also believes in tighter gun control.
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Owning a gun shouldn't be a god given right, it should be a privilege for those responsible enough to use them correctly as the tools that they are.
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As a libertarian you should be against banning shit.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: trekie]
#23426248 - 07/09/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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trekie said: As a libertarian you should be against banning shit.
I generally am, but do you want your local crack addict to be able to walk into a gun store and buy an ak47 for 400 USD? Same with paranoid schizophrenics, I've had exacto blades thrown at me because a schizophrenic thought I was satan, wouldn't want them armed with anything more than a pillow.
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trekie said: As a libertarian you should be against banning shit.
I generally am, but do you want your local crack addict to be able to walk into a gun store and buy an ak47 for 400 USD? Same with paranoid schizophrenics, I've had exacto blades thrown at me because a schizophrenic thought I was satan, wouldn't want them armed with anything more than a pillow.
did you know that there are laws that make it illegal for crazy people and druggies to possess guns. I personally dont know any crackheads that can scrape together $400, pass the scrutiny of the store workers and then pass the background check. maybe if the obama administration had not told the justice department to stop prosecuting people that falsify the paperwork in order to illegally obtain firearms then you wouldnt be so worried about crackheads with guns
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Here is some Youtuber obsessing over the same make of sword that I own, the Hanwei Forge Practical Plus Wakizashi Notice the real rayskin and the craftmanship.
This is another one of the exact sword I own but, mine is much sharper, physically and spiritually.
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trekie said: As a libertarian you should be against banning shit.
I generally am, but do you want your local crack addict to be able to walk into a gun store and buy an ak47 for 400 USD? Same with paranoid schizophrenics, I've had exacto blades thrown at me because a schizophrenic thought I was satan, wouldn't want them armed with anything more than a pillow.
did you know that there are laws that make it illegal for crazy people and druggies to possess guns. I personally dont know any crackheads that can scrape together $400, pass the scrutiny of the store workers and then pass the background check. maybe if the obama administration had not told the justice department to stop prosecuting people that falsify the paperwork in order to illegally obtain firearms then you wouldnt be so worried about crackheads with guns
There are laws but they are ineffective. I was using crackhead colloquially, and I know a substantial number of heavy drug users with cash from trafficking/distribution.
I'm not for banning guns, I'm for responsible and common sense regulation. Hell I'm not even against banning automatic weapons or suppressors as long as the buyer is sane, responsible and passes the necessary background checks.
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edit: fuck it
Edited by luvdemboomers (07/09/16 11:46 AM)
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23426455 - 07/09/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Bigotry? Because he believes his country's gun control laws work fairly well. He isn't prevented from owning a gun for protection. He just can't have any damn gun he wants.
And how is owning a gun a god given right? Is that in the bible?
Koods you have finally given me a good response. I was actually wondering if you had lost your desire to fight/ stand up for your opinions/ beliefs on here! I do not mean that in any negative way what so ever.
My response to him was out of past previous conversation. If you search the "smiley" thread you will see or read.. geez idk how many pages back into this one/thread.
He has clearly stated that the USA need's to be just like Australia and any where that's different is pretty much trash. If you would like I can pull up some quotes (I will do this if wanted hehe) but otherwise I hope you understand what I'm saying. You will have to excuse me if I'm lacking sense here, I just woke up- am pretty out of it.
I'm glad you asked me this. I honestly do not think I can pull you one quote from the bible that states owning a gun is a God given right. There are quotes stating that you may be protected from/by God him self or in new Testament by / threw Covenant.
Since the bible of course.. is a Covenant book. "Old Testament" = Old Covenant. New testament = New Covenant. I highly suggest for believers or non believers a like if they are studying the book as just a book or even in belief to read that book with a Covenant understanding. Studying Covenant is important to get a more accurate understanding of the bible.
I do know the constitution was written with those under the influence of the bible or inspiration there of.
I can give you this quote if you would like to see the connection to the bible and the constitution:
“A Constitutional Republic” is a government created and controlled, at least, by the Law of a Constitution. The Constitution of the United States of America was, in Law, foundationally based on the Bible, the Magna Carta, the principles of The Declaration of Independence and upon the experience of the people. Those documents recognize the divine nature of man’s creation, man’s sovereignty and man’s divine right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness."
but yea.. I mean maybe if some one was to search "Bible versus that stand up for gun ownership", you would be able to find some type of connection, I don't know. However I would honestly think there are versus in there standing up for the weapons of the times if it does stand up for weapon usage in the sense of other than prayer and such- God as a weapon. lol.
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You could say it is a god given right to defend your life. In today's day and age, that usually means having a gun. If guns did not exist, then maybe that would be different but that is not the world we live in.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Asante]
#23426636 - 07/09/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: Here is some Youtuber obsessing over the same make of sword that I own, the Hanwei Forge Practical Plus Wakizashi Notice the real rayskin and the craftmanship.
they're decent quality but they arent hardened and tempered
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