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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23374064 - 06/23/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think they even care about passing any bills in truth, they just want to score political points and make the republicans look bad by having them shoot them all down. Perhaps in the end they'll all agree to some sort of new spying program :lol: but didn't that already happen...?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods] * 1
    #23374103 - 06/23/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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you want to remove "assault rifles" from the people then you (anyone) should be fighting to change the constitution, not create unconstitutional laws.




"Assault rifles" are not protected by the second amendment. You, or others, may not share that opinion, but when it comes those decisions, it is the courts' opinions that set the rules. Courts have repeatedly upheld assault weapons bans. These weapons have been banned on a federal level  without a successful challenge. Just this week, the Supreme Court's let stand the appeals court decision upholding New York and Connecticut's ban.





it's a good thing that an AR-15 is not an 'assault rifle' and while the courts
have upheld assault weapons bans they've also shot down assault weapons bans and
no koods, assault weapons are not banned on a federal level. you once again have
no basic understanding of the laws or the guns




did I say assault weapons are banned on the federal level? You know perfectly well that there was a ban than expired in the early 2000s.

Well, the ar-15 is on connecticuts list of banned assault weapons and that ban was upheld, so as things stand right now in the eyes of the law, the ar-15 is an assault weapon and is not covered by the 2nd amendment.





and what ever it was the called an assault weapon's ban in the 90s certainly
didnt ban the weapons, it banned features such as a pistol grip not being
connected to the stock, it banned bayonet mounts because there's been millions
of drive by bayoneting


this is not an assault weapon, it's a sporting rifle




how did making them have this stop shootings?




how did making them look like this equate to a ban?





do you really buy this bullshit your masters feed you?







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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23374138 - 06/23/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

What kind of sport is that good for?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: twighead] * 2
    #23374289 - 06/23/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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What kind of sport is that good for?




I Ain't no commie nut or nuthin but that there looks like it could be used for target shooting, varmint hunting or defending your shop from Obama lovin rioters


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23374299 - 06/23/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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What kind of sport is that good for?




I Ain't no commie nut or nuthin but that there looks like it could be used for target shooting, varmint hunting or defending your shop from Obama lovin rioters




Also 3 gun and other forms of competitive shooting.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: liloldme]
    #23374317 - 06/23/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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404 pictures or videos? No proof? I spent ahours last night looking for any kind of video footage or pictures showing blood or wounded civilians other than the two short clips they keep playing over and over again that proof nothing. Can anyone explain why these top surgeons in a level 1 trama center are without any reviews what so ever online, all of their professional information only shows up on google within the last few weeks when you use their search filtering tool. Even my small town our doctor has hundreds of reviews. I'm not trying to say this didn't happen, I just need more evidence before I come to the same conclusion.






Did you not understand what I said? I don't have pictures or video proof, but people really did get hurt. I'm going to believe my EMT and Fire Rescue friends on this one, not some BS that was posted somewhere online. Sorry dude. Not sorry.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23374334 - 06/23/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not particularly anti-gun, I just find the term 'sporting rifle' to be a silly euphemism... clearly the gun is best at killing people and things first and foremost. Which isn't exactly a sport :lol:


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: twighead]
    #23374344 - 06/23/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Which isn't exactly a sport :lol:




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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: twighead]
    #23374358 - 06/23/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm not particularly anti-gun, I just find the term 'sporting rifle' to be a silly euphemism... clearly the gun is best at killing people and things first and foremost. Which isn't exactly a sport :lol:




THe original intent of guns was to kill things, some are more efficient than others, the REALLY efficient ones have already been outlawed for civilian use by govt., Google mini gun


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: my3rdeye] * 1
    #23374362 - 06/23/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Just look at all the people who have shot and killed intruders in their homes, it happens. 





Stop with the hero fantasy nonsense, if you are not a drug dealer you aren't going to get home invaded.



I don't know where you live, but from the perspective of somebody where I live that is an INCREDIBLY ignorant thing to say. I have been home invaded, while I was home, as a child. My grandparents were home invaded, my mom's sister was home invaded, most of my friends have been home invaded, and the list goes on.

I have had groups of people surround my car, prevent me from closing my door, trying to pull me out, trying to smash my windows with brass knuckles and a chain, etc. I did not have a gun, luckily for them, because at this point I am well trained and well prepared to defend myself. That night in the car was the last time I will fear for my life without the ability to defend myself if I can help it.

I'm sorry but don't even sit there and try to say these things don't happen just because your limited perspective has blinded you. This is real life and there are real dangers. If you don't want a gun that's your choice, but pretending only drug dealers deal with these issues is ignorant and dangerous for you and your family.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Jeffedelic]
    #23374368 - 06/23/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Damn you must live in the ghetto


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: 404]
    #23374381 - 06/23/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

404 I understand what you're saying, I'm just giving you the opportunity to do the same with me as your friends did with you. I am very visually orientated and pick up on body language quite well. I have not had a one on one with anyone or seen anything to back up with the media is telling me, every time I type "Proof Orlando shooting happened" or something remotely similar all I get is videos and "evidence" supporting it's another hoax. I'm legitimately asking for something other than the 3 second clips the news is showing over and over again. Every firefight I have ever been involved with left more than enough blood and bodies showing something went down, I have yet to see it here is all I'm saying.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: twighead] * 2
    #23374389 - 06/23/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Damn you must live in the ghetto



I live about 15 or 20 minutes out of Atlanta. Most of my community is middle class, but there are ghettos and multi million dollar houses mixed throughout in a very different way than many other places. It's not like you either live in the ghetto or a good area, where I'm from the ghetto literally backs up against mansions that are next door to middle class neighborhoods.

This is what upsets me about this argument. People that aren't in the same situation as others try to illegally legislate their ability to protect themselves. I can't just "move out of the ghetto" because there is a nasty ass neighborhood within 5 or 10 minutes of anywhere in the entire NW metro ATL area. I love my town and my state, I refuse to move away from my family and friends because some worthless assholes have no respect for other people's lives. I have the tools, the training and the will to defend myself if needed. If I do ever need to use a weapon it'll be the worst day of my life but I guess not as bad as whoever forced the situation upon me.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23374406 - 06/23/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Damn you must live in the ghetto



I live about 15 or 20 minutes out of Atlanta. Most of my community is middle class, but there are ghettos and multi million dollar houses mixed throughout in a very different way than many other places. It's not like you either live in the ghetto or a good area, where I'm from the ghetto literally backs up against mansions that are next door to middle class neighborhoods.

This is what upsets me about this argument. People that aren't in the same situation as others try to illegally legislate their ability to protect themselves. I can't just "move out of the ghetto" because there is a nasty ass neighborhood within 5 or 10 minutes of anywhere in the entire NW metro ATL area. I love my town and my state, I refuse to move away from my family and friends because some worthless assholes have no respect for other people's lives.



Yeah I'm not ragging on you by any means, I'm just surprised how violent some areas are. I worked graveyard in downtown Seattle for quite some time walking around unarmed and vulnerable all the time from 12-5 am and never had the slightest incident :shrug: But yeah you should be able to defend yourself as you please, I'd probably feel inclined to carry there too.

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I'm not particularly anti-gun, I just find the term 'sporting rifle' to be a silly euphemism... clearly the gun is best at killing people and things first and foremost. Which isn't exactly a sport :lol:




THe original intent of guns was to kill things, some are more efficient than others, the REALLY efficient ones have already been outlawed for civilian use by govt., Google mini gun



I wonder what it'd be like to handle one of those though lmao, I feel like a semi-auto or 3 round burst in the hands of a trained marksman is probably the most efficient anti-personal arm available. In terms of ammo efficiency, weight, range, and killing power.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: twighead]
    #23374464 - 06/23/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Damn you must live in the ghetto



I live about 15 or 20 minutes out of Atlanta. Most of my community is middle class, but there are ghettos and multi million dollar houses mixed throughout in a very different way than many other places. It's not like you either live in the ghetto or a good area, where I'm from the ghetto literally backs up against mansions that are next door to middle class neighborhoods.

This is what upsets me about this argument. People that aren't in the same situation as others try to illegally legislate their ability to protect themselves. I can't just "move out of the ghetto" because there is a nasty ass neighborhood within 5 or 10 minutes of anywhere in the entire NW metro ATL area. I love my town and my state, I refuse to move away from my family and friends because some worthless assholes have no respect for other people's lives.



Yeah I'm not ragging on you by any means, I'm just surprised how violent some areas are. I worked graveyard in downtown Seattle for quite some time walking around unarmed and vulnerable all the time from 12-5 am and never had the slightest incident :shrug: But yeah you should be able to defend yourself as you please, I'd probably feel inclined to carry there too.




Oh yeah man I know you weren't ragging haha its all good. This is a subject that I have been pretty passionate about for a long time now is all, I tend to speak a bit forcefully I think :thumbup:

The big problem, from what I've experienced (limited experience, not saying it's the norm or even accurate), isn't even the people living in the ghetto. It seems to be the middle class kids who think they are hard and want to go prove it.



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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 4
    #23374572 - 06/23/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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For the conspiracy nuts, what are there so many more mass shootings under Obama than any other president? Is it culture? Or is this guy encouraging/enabling/promoting them?







for starters, the obama justice department has decided it didnt want to ruin
lives by prosecuting violent criminals that tried to buy guns such as the
reporter that recently tried to prove that background checks were lax, filled
out the paperwork and it came back with a misdemeanor domestic battery charge
which should have resulted in his arrest for falsifying federal paperwork when
he lied about not having a violent criminal past

another key factor is when the Obama justice department is called about a
suspected terrorists they're told not to act because it's racial profiling
simply because the person is a muslim, heaven forbid that a muslim could
actually be a terrorist that ends up shooting up a gay bar in florida after a
gun store owner called the FBI after omar mateen asked some odd questions and
the FBI again did not follow through for some crazy reason even though he was
dragged in for questioning twice prior and cut loose because it was 'profiling'


this isnt conspiracy theory, this is a president that seems to want guns banned
so bad that he would allow for thousands of people to be killed due to the
restrictions he placed on law enforcement and thei ability to prevent these
sorts of crimes that are frequently being committed by his very own supporters


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: twighead] * 1
    #23374577 - 06/23/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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What kind of sport is that good for?




none of your damn business is the sport it's best suited for


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: twighead] * 1
    #23374585 - 06/23/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm not particularly anti-gun, I just find the term 'sporting rifle' to be a silly euphemism... clearly the gun is best at killing people and things first and foremost. Which isn't exactly a sport :lol:





it's no different than the term assault weapon given that assault is a pretty
specific term by law and any weapon used to commit an assault is in fact an
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Jeffedelic]
    #23374664 - 06/23/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

"they're told not to act because it's racial profiling
simply because the person is a muslim, heaven forbid that a muslim could
actually be a terrorist that ends up shooting up a gay bar in florida after a
gun store owner called the FBI after omar mateen asked some odd questions and
the FBI again did not follow through for some crazy reason even though he was
dragged in for questioning twice prior and cut loose because it was 'profiling'
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: liloldme]
    #23374679 - 06/23/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

But your suggesting people should be arrested for thought crimes. Thats a dangerous precedent to set man.


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