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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: 404]
#23372341 - 06/23/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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liloldme said: After watching hours of the Orlando gay club shootings I really think that was fake.. I mean seriously look up the reviews for the top surgery MD's that dealt with all the victims, their profiles were made like a week before the shooting and have zero reviews, pretty odd to me.. What about how shitty most of the acting was for the victims family members that were interviewed.
I have friends that work at ORMC, one is fire rescue and was working that night. It's real dude.
You could be right, but until I see some real footage I'm just not seeing it.. Have any picture or video links of the blood everywhere a shooting of this size would produce? Any evidence you could use to sway me away from all this conspiracy shit with the last shooting? I could really use it man aha
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: liloldme]
#23372351 - 06/23/16 03:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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from another standpoint, you know how hard it would be to keep all those 'dead' peoples mouths shut?
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: liloldme] 2
#23372355 - 06/23/16 04:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Man when I was in Iraq every fucking bomb we ever dug up to kill us had our logos stamped all over them, the last fucking people I would trust would be the US government. I found White phosphorus rounds everywhere too with US MILITARY written all over them just laying around. We used Saddam's chemical warfare on his own people as one of the main reasons to invade and we fucking gave them those weapons. Our greedy government is responsible for tens of thousands of children and good people dying every year how the hell could you even argue about trusting them? We have had our CIA stirring shit in the middle east since the 40's this whole fucking thing is a shame.. If not believing everything that flys out of their fucking mouth without proof for myself then I guess I am a consistory theorist, just slaying..
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: topdog82]
#23372357 - 06/23/16 04:02 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mass shootings are work of Government.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: liloldme]
#23372360 - 06/23/16 04:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont believe every word out of there mouths.. i just tend to pick my battles.
i can see how prior military experience could put some more added pressure not to trust anything though... just remember, going nutter on everything isnt healthy man.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: rackem]
#23372369 - 06/23/16 04:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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you're right man, I gotta just try and let all this shit go, I just made the mistake of watching the news today and it got thinking again.. I'm off to bed, night guys
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: liloldme]
#23372370 - 06/23/16 04:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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have a good one man.
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: Most hunting rifles are more dangerous than an AR-15
I bought an old Mosin for $79 off classic arms. Fits the bill for a liberals definition of a "weapon of war" or "assault weapon" Considering its probably killed more people than any other weapon ever besides the bow.
This thing fires a round that would probably take down an elephant. Ammo cost about fifty cent per round and an extra 70 bucks is all it takes to convert it to 20 round magazines. That's about 200 bucks for a sniper rifle with a "high capacity" magazine. In stock trim it's about as unassuming as a deer rifle.
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Just curious how much do you have in it minus the optics?
I always liked them they seemed like a awesome deal back when they were $99 and ammo was under 20 cents a round... kind of hard to justify one today when ammo is basically the same as cheap 308 and you can get a new remington 700 or tikka t3 for $600 tho
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: liloldme]
#23372384 - 06/23/16 04:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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liloldme said: After watching hours of the Orlando gay club shootings I really think that was fake.. I mean seriously look up the reviews for the top surgery MD's that dealt with all the victims, their profiles were made like a week before the shooting and have zero reviews, pretty odd to me.. What about how shitty most of the acting was for the victims family members that were interviewed.
I have friends that work at ORMC, one is fire rescue and was working that night. It's real dude.
You could be right, but until I see some real footage I'm just not seeing it.. Have any picture or video links of the blood everywhere a shooting of this size would produce? Any evidence you could use to sway me away from all this conspiracy shit with the last shooting? I could really use it man aha
Sorry, I guess you'll just have to consider me and my friends government shills from here on out.
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you want to remove "assault rifles" from the people then you (anyone) should be fighting to change the constitution, not create unconstitutional laws.
"Assault rifles" are not protected by the second amendment. You, or others, may not share that opinion, but when it comes those decisions, it is the courts' opinions that set the rules. Courts have repeatedly upheld assault weapons bans. These weapons have been banned on a federal level without a successful challenge. Just this week, the Supreme Court's let stand the appeals court decision upholding New York and Connecticut's ban.
it's a good thing that an AR-15 is not an 'assault rifle' and while the courts have upheld assault weapons bans they've also shot down assault weapons bans and no koods, assault weapons are not banned on a federal level. you once again have no basic understanding of the laws or the guns
did I say assault weapons are banned on the federal level? You know perfectly well that there was a ban than expired in the early 2000s.
Well, the ar-15 is on connecticuts list of banned assault weapons and that ban was upheld, so as things stand right now in the eyes of the law, the ar-15 is an assault weapon and is not covered by the 2nd amendment.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: twighead]
#23372407 - 06/23/16 04:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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A while back. Pris published a list of weapons he believes are covered by the 2nd and ICBMs were on it.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods] 2
#23372482 - 06/23/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Guys, I think my3rdeye doubled down with his rating of me:
"Only a white trash place like this would think a fast food job is awesome and some inbred from GA is smart. And you think home invasions are a real thing, wow shocker. I just look down on you people because you are worthless trash and I better than you in every way. "
He really thinks home invasions don't exist or something. Potato head.
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rich suburbia kid apparently.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods] 1
#23372508 - 06/23/16 05:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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you want to remove "assault rifles" from the people then you (anyone) should be fighting to change the constitution, not create unconstitutional laws.
"Assault rifles" are not protected by the second amendment. You, or others, may not share that opinion, but when it comes those decisions, it is the courts' opinions that set the rules. Courts have repeatedly upheld assault weapons bans. These weapons have been banned on a federal level without a successful challenge. Just this week, the Supreme Court's let stand the appeals court decision upholding New York and Connecticut's ban.
it's a good thing that an AR-15 is not an 'assault rifle' and while the courts have upheld assault weapons bans they've also shot down assault weapons bans and no koods, assault weapons are not banned on a federal level. you once again have no basic understanding of the laws or the guns
did I say assault weapons are banned on the federal level? You know perfectly well that there was a ban than expired in the early 2000s.
Well, the ar-15 is on connecticuts list of banned assault weapons and that ban was upheld, so as things stand right now in the eyes of the law, the ar-15 is an assault weapon and is not covered by the 2nd amendment.
Only if you completely ignore the constitution is the federal govt allowed to ban guns, any guns, but liberals have ignored it for the last 100 years, why start following it now?
For the conspiracy nuts, what are there so many more mass shootings under Obama than any other president? Is it culture? Or is this guy encouraging/enabling/promoting them?
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Cause he got the White House right after Bush had used it.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Asante] 2
#23372875 - 06/23/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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what are there so many more mass shootings under Obama than any other president?
Cause he got the White House right after Bush had used it.

When does Obama take credit for his failures?
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: topdog82] 1
#23372905 - 06/23/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: You can't really expect anti-gun people to be educated or use logic when it comes to which guns need to be banned. As has been proven ad nauseam is that they don't understand the first thing about ballistics. To them: Most widely used gun in mass shootings = most dangerous. Larger bullet always = more dangerous and lethal. Higher round count per magazine = greatly increases lethality. Armor piercing rounds = super deadly bullets no one needs. I mean you could keep going with all the stupid ideas they have in their head that are dead fucking wrong. They don't know shit about them and don't care to get to know them or understand what it is they're even talking about.
What's wrong with any of these theories? I assumed all these to be true
All the experience I have had is shotguns, .22 rifle, black powder and a .22 pistol I think. Maybe an at-15 I think
Please let me know. I'm Curious
1. There are a lot of reasons why the most widely used gun is used that is not because it's the most dangerous. Price, availability, ease of use, public image just to name a few. Here's one scenario. Johnny decides fuck it, he's gonna go shoot up a place so he goes to a gun store to buy a gun. He's not quite sure what he wants so he's shopping around. Gun shop owner does his job and starts trying to help him out making suggestions and talking, gun shop owner talks him into buy a more expensive rifle than the cheap ass .45 he was originally eyeing. Because that's what gun shops do, they try to upsell. Johnny doesn't give a shit about price, he's going to be dead or in jail come tomorrow anyways. The AR-15 could disappear all together tomorrow and another gun would just take it's place. This is one of the main reasons banning the gun used is a stupid idea. It doesn't solve a damn thing.
2. There's more to the lethality of a round than just caliber. If bigger bullet always = more deadly, there wouldn't be (probably) billions of dollars spent on designing and improving on them. There wouldn't be all kinds of different configurations. Why waste the time making hollow points when you can just make simple full metal jacket? Same caliber so they must be just as deadly as each other. Caliber is only a small part of what determines how effective or deadly a round is.
3. Amount of rounds a magazine holds really has little to do with how lethal a shooter is. In an actual shootout it might make a difference, but these shootings aren't usually a shootout. It's some guy walking around shooting people over a (relatively compared to a shootout) long period of time while they cower and cry and try to get away. He has plenty of time to drop an empty mag and load another one with no real risk. Not to mention even the dumbest mother fucker knows better than stand in the middle of a crowd and drop his mag out letting everyone know he can no longer fire. As long as he can put just a bit of distance between him and all his victims he can reload with no real issue. The size of the magazine has jack shit to do with how lethal he is. Honestly, I'd rather be being shot at by someone with a 100 round drum than a 10 round magazine. Bullets are heavy. The weight of 100 vs 10 makes a huge difference to accuracy of the shooter.
4. What makes bullets more or less deadly, is the damage they do to a person when they hit. Rounds that shatter or compress/mushroom after entering a body cause a lot more damage than rounds that stay intact. This has to do with the transfer of energy mostly. More of the energy of the bullet is transferred to the body. Armor piercing rounds are meant to go through "armor". Human flesh is a lot softer than "armor". As a result they tend to just go straight through and cause less damage than a round designed for soft targets. Less of their energy is transferred to the target and is instead used to keep going.
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404 pictures or videos? No proof? I spent ahours last night looking for any kind of video footage or pictures showing blood or wounded civilians other than the two short clips they keep playing over and over again that proof nothing. Can anyone explain why these top surgeons in a level 1 trama center are without any reviews what so ever online, all of their professional information only shows up on google within the last few weeks when you use their search filtering tool. Even my small town our doctor has hundreds of reviews. I'm not trying to say this didn't happen, I just need more evidence before I come to the same conclusion.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: liloldme]
#23374059 - 06/23/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
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