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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: liloldme]
#23365351 - 06/20/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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liloldme said: I wonder if these guys had their gun rights removed too.
No serious person believes that an artillery gun is protected under the second amendment. No serious person believes that it protects all guns. The second amendment says that Americans have the right to have guns. There is no right to have any gun you want. There are limits. Your use and choice of guns can be regulated.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods] 2
#23365352 - 06/20/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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These guys must also have a warped view of American democracy.
“I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians.” – George Mason, co-author of the 2nd Amendment.
“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves.” – Richard Henry Lee.
“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.” – Samuel Adams.
“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.” – George Washington
“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?” – Patrick Henry.
“The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” – Alexander Hamilton.
“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson.
“To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason.
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe.” – Noah Webster.
“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin.
“A free people ought to be armed.” – George Washington.
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” – Thomas Jefferson.
“The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.” – George Washington.
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The amount of fabricated quotes attributed to founding fathers renders most of those quotes unilluminating. Assuming they are accurate, what is their context? Those statements could be referring to national defense from foreign invasion. I don't see anything about overthrowing a duly elected government.
Lemme ask you this: if at some point congress introduced an amendment invalidating the 2nd amendment and the states ratified it, would you surrender your weapons if required? this process was done in a perfectly democratic way as prescribed by the constitution. Would you?
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods] 1
#23365432 - 06/21/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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My videos were an example of the length people go to protect themselves and fight for their freedom. Their government took away their munitions and weapons, killed thousands, used chemical weapons and more and they are fighting back with these improvised weapons. I thought it would be fun to share
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#23365480 - 06/21/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Check em out, I have. But don't take my word for it. Just don't ignore what doesn't fit the narrative. Hell you may finally learn something in the process.
As for your question. My answer was already stated a few posts back. We all have things we believe in, things we'd fight for. And you have to draw the line somewhere. But there are a lot of variables. I couldn't give you an honest answer without knowing the specifics.
Take this latest situation for example. It seems an administration with to much love for islamic terrorists to the point that they wont even call the enemy by name, and go so far as to remove any mention of radical islam from official transcripts, wants to turn this into a gun issue instead of calling it what it is, A terrorist attack on American soil by a radical muslim against gay people. That is not a valid reason to take my rights.
Multiculturalism is a liberal ideology that comes with as many problems as nationalism. If the liberals fuck up and let the wrong people in, I don't expect to pay with my rights.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23365616 - 06/21/16 01:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: The amount of fabricated quotes attributed to founding fathers renders most of those quotes unilluminating. Assuming they are accurate, what is their context? Those statements could be referring to national defense from foreign invasion. I don't see anything about overthrowing a duly elected government.
Lemme ask you this: if at some point congress introduced an amendment invalidating the 2nd amendment and the states ratified it, would you surrender your weapons if required? this process was done in a perfectly democratic way as prescribed by the constitution. Would you?
This is unfabricated, and not out of context, and I think is a very real scenario of what would happen if the government attempted to strip civilians of their rightfully owned weaponry. http://fauquierfreecitizen.com/seventy-two-killed-resisting-gun-confiscation-in-boston/
Boston – National Guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of recently banned assault weapons were ambushed by elements of a Para-military extremist faction. Military and law enforcement sources estimate that 72 were killed and more than 200 injured before government forces were compelled to withdraw.
Speaking after the clash, the Massachusetts Governor declared that the extremist faction, which was made up of local citizens, has links to the radical right-wing tax protest movement. The Governor blamed the extremists for recent incidents of vandalism directed against internal revenue offices. The governor, who described the group’s organizers as “criminals,” issued an executive order authorizing the summary arrest of any individual who has interfered with the government’s efforts to secure law and order. The military raid on the extremist arsenal followed wide-spread refusal by the local citizenry to turn over recently outlawed assault weapons. The Governor issued a ban on military-style assault weapons and ammunition earlier in the week. This decision followed a meeting in early this month between government and military leaders at which the governor authorized the forcible confiscation of illegal arms. One government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, pointed out that “none of these people would have been killed had the extremists obeyed the law and turned over their weapons voluntarily.” Government troops initially succeeded in confiscating a large supply of outlawed weapons and ammunition. However, troops attempting to seize arms and ammunition met with resistance from heavily-armed extremists who had been tipped off regarding the government’s plans.
During a tense standoff in the Lexington town park, National Guard Colonel Francis Smith, commander of the government operation, ordered the armed group to surrender and return to their homes. The impasse was broken by a single shot, which was reportedly fired by one of the right-wing extremists. Eight civilians were killed in the ensuing exchange. Ironically, the local citizenry blamed government forces rather than the extremists for the civilian deaths. Before order could be restored, armed citizens from surrounding areas had descended upon the guard units. Colonel Smith, finding his forces over-matched by the armed mob, ordered a retreat. The Governor has called upon citizens to support the state/national joint task force in its effort to restore law and order. The governor also demanded the surrender of those responsible for planning and leading the attack against the government troops. Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and John Hancock, who have been identified as “ringleaders” of the extremist faction, remain at large.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23365641 - 06/21/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: An armed population isn't going to stop the government of a developed country like the US from doing anything. The technology gap is so huge, no militia of armed citizens could stand up the us military. The idea that the second amendment protects us against tyranny is absurd. Maybe that argument made sense 230 years ago when muskets were the only gun available. Now... Lol.
If the government declared war against its own civilians, things would go real bad real quick. Our economy would tank, not only tank but come to a screeching halt - making the US a giant target for opposing countries. A large percentage of those in service would absolutely desert their positions rather than be responsible for killing american women and children, a natural byproduct of war. After a few weeks of bloodshed, and probably massive civilian casualties, the army would dissolve before the eyes of its leaders, and probably turn on them as well.
Then youre left with 100 million or so pissed off armed civilians? Ill tell you what, lets just leave it at this - do you think you could win this game against these pawns?

If Tomorrow the entire population of US citizens decided it was time for an uprising, we would have the white-house within hours, and control of the military. The president would be dead or missing, or helpless in a bunker somewhere, and the people would make whatever changes they felt necessary. Its important for Americans to understand they have the right to this type of change.
Why would you want to limit American rights anyways? If anything we need more of them. Why would you want to restrict gun ownership?
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23365649 - 06/21/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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liloldme said: I wonder if these guys had their gun rights removed too.
No serious person believes that an artillery gun is protected under the second amendment. No serious person believes that it protects all guns. The second amendment says that Americans have the right to have guns. There is no right to have any gun you want. There are limits. Your use and choice of guns can be regulated.
So what type of guns do you think we SHOULD be allowed to have?
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Not artillery guns you know like the ones civil war reenactment guys have I mean those artillery guns just need to be loaded with fireworks from the Walmart and it's game over mang.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: trekie]
#23365707 - 06/21/16 03:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like those odds charge !
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#23365711 - 06/21/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: An armed population isn't going to stop the government of a developed country like the US from doing anything. The technology gap is so huge, no militia of armed citizens could stand up the us military. The idea that the second amendment protects us against tyranny is absurd. Maybe that argument made sense 230 years ago when muskets were the only gun available. Now... Lol.
lol... you clearly dont know what you're talking about
do you honestly think that the military is brainwashed, mindless drones? do you think that they dont comprise of the citizens of the US? do you honestly believe that if a large chunk of the population decided to take a stand against the government that a large chunk of the military wouldnt be in support?
No, I think they would follow orders. Like always.
lol.
I dont think you actually think
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23365714 - 06/21/16 03:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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liloldme said: I wonder if these guys had their gun rights removed too.
No serious person believes that an artillery gun is protected under the second amendment. No serious person believes that it protects all guns. The second amendment says that Americans have the right to have guns. There is no right to have any gun you want. There are limits. Your use and choice of guns can be regulated.
you never did answer what "common use" meant
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: topdog82]
#23365771 - 06/21/16 04:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: Ya and my parents are reitring and settling in a nice area. Even thier small house in a tiny upscale neighboorhood has been having burglaries
Fuck it. I may get a gun. Pistol, submachine gun, or shotgun? Can't decide. The hobby aspect is always nice but I don't care too much for that. I would rather stick to personal protection purposes
Also; I am not sure how I would distinguish a family member from a robber. maybe I should get a stun gun or a sword
Be careful getting a submachine gun, they are classified as NFA Class 3 Firearms. Extensive background checks, and 200 dollar tax stamp. But yea you can get one...
In my opinion, best defense weapons are pistols, shotguns, or rifles like an AKM. Ar15 is alright but AKs have more stopping power and easy to use. I plan on getting an AKM(modernized ak47) soon. If you plan on getting a rifle, likevthe ar15 or ak47, get a bump fire stock... It's basically a LEGAL full auto weapon. They have them for saiga 12s as well. I'm definitely getting a bump fire stock for my AK.
Also a pump action like a mossberg or remington 870, hella Reliable. Just the sound of the barrel pumping in the middle of the night will make a burglar run for their life.
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You cant beat toxic culture and tradition. Old white people are determined to let people be killed by guns for the sake of there toxic culture.
lets say you did revolt against the government (which would never ever, ever, ever happen) You would be left with either a failed state, or at best a country in shambles with no form of government and your economy would tank very very and irreparably quickly. You would be left in state much worse off.
Just really really really funny how the rest of modern world has either banned or restricted and controlled guns and they kinda do pretty ok. Gun murders are national news... not local news that literally get swept behind in page 5 of local newspaper.
Murica has this strange culture that thinks that because its so great it should just keep doing what its doing because everyone else it worse than them. But in fact everyone else is doing so much better in many many many way.
blah blah cant take my guns away blah blah. Feel free to live in your dinosaur world and shoot each other up and refuse to join the modern world. Elect fucking trump and further kill your country.
As always the rest of the world will just stand back and make jokes about how shockingly sad youve become.
eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
self defense dont make me laugh... biggest fucking excuse in the book
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#23365959 - 06/21/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes but you have cut more lines than a retarded kid @ disneyland. doesn't sound like someone with a lot of sense really
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kakashi68 said: You cant beat toxic culture and tradition. Old white people are determined to let people be killed by guns for the sake of there toxic culture.
lets say you did revolt against the government (which would never ever, ever, ever happen) You would be left with either a failed state, or at best a country in shambles with no form of government and your economy would tank very very and irreparably quickly. You would be left in state much worse off.
Just really really really funny how the rest of modern world has either banned or restricted and controlled guns and they kinda do pretty ok. Gun murders are national news... not local news that literally get swept behind in page 5 of local newspaper.
Murica has this strange culture that thinks that because its so great it should just keep doing what its doing because everyone else it worse than them. But in fact everyone else is doing so much better in many many many way.
blah blah cant take my guns away blah blah. Feel free to live in your dinosaur world and shoot each other up and refuse to join the modern world. Elect fucking trump and further kill your country.
As always the rest of the world will just stand back and make jokes about how shockingly sad youve become.
eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
self defense dont make me laugh... biggest fucking excuse in the book
Go live in a US ghetto filled with minorities, you will be running to a gun store for self defense, you don't have a clue.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: lowbrow]
#23366040 - 06/21/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ive taken to reading everything you say in Hank Hills voice. This poast was especially well suited.
I have this theory on why all internet Canadians are pussies. Its because your still subjects of the royal crown and Americans are not. In fact our ancestors went to war with our original parent government and won while all Canadians bent over and took the strap on like good subjects of the royal family. Being little bitches is in your blood, just like saying fuck you to the powers that be is in ours.
If you had balls you would investigate the bump in the night unarmed. You need a gun in your own house, that is not a man, that's a bitch, a coward. Being a British subject is awesome when you want a visa to work in UK, and doesn't have a single downside. Oh no the queen on out money, how horrible. If you are going to take shots at Canada, you are going to have to do better than that, stupid American. Keep telling yourself how free you are when you only have two choices you can vote for, have a draft, have more people in prison than anywhere else, have the worst schools, have to pee in a cup just to work, fuck you have whole sections of every fucking city you are afraid to go without your gun. I am not afraid to walk unarmed in any neighborhood in Canada because I am a man unlike you cowards who hide behind a gun. Try getting balls. A real man would never investigate a sound in his own house with a gun. That is chicken shit right there. You would rather endanger your family with your gun because you are not a man. It's sad. Before I even finished typing that qman agreed he's afraid of the blacks in the ghetto too. The rest of the world has those areas you know, we aren't afraid to go there though like you bitches.
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Ive taken to reading everything you say in Hank Hills voice. This poast was especially well suited.
I have this theory on why all internet Canadians are pussies. Its because your still subjects of the royal crown and Americans are not. In fact our ancestors went to war with our original parent government and won while all Canadians bent over and took the strap on like good subjects of the royal family. Being little bitches is in your blood, just like saying fuck you to the powers that be is in ours.
If you had balls you would investigate the bump in the night unarmed. You need a gun in your own house, that is not a man, that's a bitch, a coward. Being a British subject is awesome when you want a visa to work in UK, and doesn't have a single downside. Oh no the queen on out money, how horrible. If you are going to take shots at Canada, you are going to have to do better than that, stupid American. Keep telling yourself how free you are when you only have two choices you can vote for, have a draft, have more people in prison than anywhere else, have the worst schools, have to pee in a cup just to work, fuck you have whole sections of every fucking city you are afraid to go without your gun. I am not afraid to walk unarmed in any neighborhood in Canada because I am a man unlike you cowards who hide behind a gun. Try getting balls. A real man would never investigate a sound in his own house with a gun. That is chicken shit right there. You would rather endanger your family with your gun because you are not a man. It's sad. Before I even finished typing that qman agreed he's afraid of the blacks in the ghetto too. The rest of the world has those areas you know, we aren't afraid to go there though like you bitches.
Even if you're half as tough as you claim you are over the internet, not everyone has that capability, what do you recommend for women and the elderly?
You really need to come to the US and see the shitholes we have, we have areas where the cops won't even go into, never mind arm-less internet tough guys like yourself.
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Wow, Wow my friend, You make it sound like I'm some right winged republican. In truth, I'm not. I'm not even a liberal. I don't get caught up in stupid politics. To me, both sides are bigots, out for themselves, or they ignore facts. I hate Trump just as much as I hate Hillary. I get annoyed picking between two political turds. Bernie sanders was the only one I Liked, because he was the only person willing to stand up against the establishment. In truth I'm a realist and a nonconformist, but I support my constitution more than anything(except psychedelics of course). Now you may think, why would you support guns? Like i said I love the constitution. But i do see liberals pulling bulls*it out their asses just so guns will get banned.
Like CA Senator Kevin de Leon when he was talking about "ghost guns". "This right here has the ability with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. Thirty magazine clip in half a second" The stupidity is real my friend! Some how a 5.56 round gun(M4, not even 30 cal) with an ar-15 lower and a barrel below 16 inches which is already illegal in the us due to the NFA weapons act, can shoot as fast as a m134 minigun...
I see countless senators attacking guns like the ar-15, even tho rifles (according to the fbi) Only commit 1-3% of homicides in the US.
The sheer stupidity is outlandish not just on the liberal side, but the Republicans as well.
Denying climate change? YOU SENATORS ARE LIKE DONALD!
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