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trekie
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no im just giving you a hard time lighten up
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: trekie] 1
#23359614 - 06/19/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: trekie] 2
#23359671 - 06/19/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol. What a load of crap. That map shows the states with the highest absolute number of firearm deaths. You can't compare a state with 40 million people to one with half a million. you have to compare rates of deaths. California has a lot of a firearm deaths becasue it has a huge population. If you look at firearm death RATES per 100,000 people, California is one of the sfaest states.
Here a list of the states with the highest rates Code:
1. Alaska 19.2 2. Louisiana 19.0 3. Mississippi 18.3 4. Alabama 16.9 5. Arkansas 16.6 6. Wyoming 16.2 7. Montana 16.1 8. New Mexico 16.0 9. Oklahoma 15.7 10. South Carolina 15.5
And the lowest Code:
41. New Hampshire 8.7 42. Wisconsin 8.2 43. Iowa 7.5 44. California 7.4 45. Minnesota 6.6 46. New Jersey 5.3 47. Connecticut 5.0 48. New York 4.2 49. Massachusetts 3.2 50. Rhode Island 3.0 51. Hawaii 2.6
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rate-per-100000/#
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23360036 - 06/19/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol. What a load of crap. That map shows the states with the highest absolute number of firearm deaths. You can't compare a state with 40 million people to one with half a million. you have to compare rates of deaths. California has a lot of a firearm deaths becasue it has a huge population. If you look at firearm death RATES per 100,000 people, California is one of the sfaest states.
Here a list of the states with the highest rates Code:
1. Alaska 19.2 2. Louisiana 19.0 3. Mississippi 18.3 4. Alabama 16.9 5. Arkansas 16.6 6. Wyoming 16.2 7. Montana 16.1 8. New Mexico 16.0 9. Oklahoma 15.7 10. South Carolina 15.5
And the lowest Code:
41. New Hampshire 8.7 42. Wisconsin 8.2 43. Iowa 7.5 44. California 7.4 45. Minnesota 6.6 46. New Jersey 5.3 47. Connecticut 5.0 48. New York 4.2 49. Massachusetts 3.2 50. Rhode Island 3.0 51. Hawaii 2.6
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rate-per-100000/#
Why do you think a lower "firearms death rate" keeps people safer?
I think your premise of what defines "safer" is distorted.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Asante] 3
#23360123 - 06/19/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I should hope the Russians killed more Nazis than the Americans did. Germans INVADED their country. I don't recall Churchill making numerous trips to ask Stalin for help.
You criticize our violent culture while your country (Danish, right?) is being overrun with 3rd world invaders. According to the UK Daily, a Danish teenager is being prosecuted by your court system for using pepper spray to prevent a "refugee" from raping her. You criticize our culture while your country is literally being RAPED and its citizens are not allowed to fight back at all.
Yes, I'm preparing for the dollar to crash. Thought about holding on to some other currency. After much research, I realized it's wise just to hold onto U.S. dollars because when the world reserve currency goes down, other countries currencies tank proportionately.
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Anti-gun people always point to gun death stats. But those deaths aren't necessary innocent people. Gun owners don't have the luxury of showing how firearm ownership deters crime. I once brandished a shotgun at a guy who was trying to break into my neighbor's house. He immediately departed. I didn't call the police department so they could file a report that went into a database. I've found many similar anecdotes on YouTube. Surely there are millions more just like myself but there is no way to quantify how gun ownership has prevented a crime from taking place.
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koods
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You have to look at things in aggregate. Owning a gun shortens your lifespan (statistically)
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23360294 - 06/19/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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America is grossly overpopulated, why all the concern about lifespan?
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods] 3
#23360339 - 06/19/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sure, if you're a gang banger. I come from a family of gun owners who live into their 80s and some into their 90s.
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luvdemboomers
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With koods on ignore literally every gun thread is people stating the obvious to non-existent posts.
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koods
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Do you guys need trigger warnings before I post about guns? You guys act just like the regressives when it comes to opinions you don't like.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods] 2
#23360404 - 06/19/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, I'd say we all have a decent enough understanding of trigger discipline, since we haven't accidentally killed ourselves or family yet.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: One thing I always admired about America was how easy it was to obtain purpose built killing machines. There is no real need to possess a man portable fully automatic minigun, but its available to you if you wish to own one. I love it.
there's not need to have whiny liberal ass hats trying to take guns from law abiding citizens by making up a lot of bullshit but here we are with this thread again
but you can understand where they come from right?
of course I understand, they come from ignorance, fear, manipulation and control, it's no different thn the many other liberal cries to 'think of the children' when they banned flavored tobacco products, no different than banning joe camel and now they attack vaporizers and the e-liquids under the same premise
any time a shooting of this nature happens they attack the guns, the republicans, they go after anything but the actul perpetrator, they make excuses for them, they claim he was a product of society, he was bullied as a kid, he was misguided. he was anything but the one that was responsible for his own actions
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I mean its totally reasonable to suggest guns be heavily restricted in order to combat the rates of mass shootings. Your guys rate per capita is staggering compared to other developed countries. At this point its starting to get ridiculous.
once again, the choice is to fight the symptoms instead of the problem and then cherry pick your arguments, tell me, how many guns were used in the OKC bombing? how many were used in the 9/11 attacks? how many were used in the boton marathon bombing? Theodore Kaczynski, Eric Rudolph, Faisal Shahzad nor any of the others that have killed using bombs heeded a gun to do so, banning guns has not stopped mass shooting in england, canada o any other place that has placed heavy restrictions or outright bans on civilian gun ownership because the one thing than none of these places are looking at is is the actual cause, mentally ill people and in addition to that the promotion of a thug culture. when a criminal robs a store and shoot 3 people, democrats blame the gun, they blame poverty, they blame everything but the perpetrator because to them he wasnt responsible for his actions, when a child is gunned down in a chicago gang war black lives dont matter because it was a black killing another black but let a cop kill a violent criminal and suddenly he was just an innocent boy that only happened to kill 4 people so it wasnt his fault, the was the cops to blame for him shooting at them, it was the guns, if they take the guns from the law abiding citizens then the criminals wont need guns
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You post that but that really doesnt directly correlate to the problem at hand. Schools are starting to get shot up regularly enough that doing defensive drills has become a regular part of your kids lives. Ya'll fearful as fuck even with those guns.

thank god for gun control, the bad guy just layed down his arms and turned himself in
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/160123034756180.html http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/06/gatineau-daycare-shooting_n_3028717.html http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/14/kemon-edwards-york-shooting-arrest_n_4964215.html
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23360487 - 06/19/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said:
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Lol. What a load of crap. That map shows the states with the highest absolute number of firearm deaths. You can't compare a state with 40 million people to one with half a million. you have to compare rates of deaths. California has a lot of a firearm deaths becasue it has a huge population. If you look at firearm death RATES per 100,000 people, California is one of the sfaest states.
but you said gun control will keep us safer, from the looks of it, we need democrat control because most of those states with the most firearms deaths are democrat states
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Of all the ways to die, a bullet seems pretty peaceful.. I would much rather be shot in the face than forced to sit on a sword. 
These arguments will go nowhere, ban guns get a sword in the ass, ban swords get your face smashed in with a rock, ban rocks get stabbed with a stick, ban sticks get chocked out by your neighbor, ban chocking get poisoned by your cousin. idk....
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some may call her a dreamer, but shes not the only one
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luvdemboomers
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: liloldme]
#23360689 - 06/19/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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liloldme said: Of all the ways to die, a bullet seems pretty peaceful.. I would much rather be shot in the face than forced to sit on a sword. 
These arguments will go nowhere, ban guns get a sword in the ass, ban swords get your face smashed in with a rock, ban rocks get stabbed with a stick, ban sticks get chocked out by your neighbor, ban chocking get poisoned by your cousin. idk....
Yeah of all the un-natural deaths a gunshot seems like one of the best. I've read a lot of stories of survivors and most don't feel any pain for at least 5 minutes sometimes longer, I suppose it has to do with the bullet entering you so fast and you're body releasing endorphins and adrenaline.
The gun control debate really is ridiculous I try to stay out of these threads just because they piss me off so much and trying to win an argument against illogical people using logic never works.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods] 4
#23360705 - 06/19/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: You have to look at things in aggregate. Owning a gun shortens your lifespan (statistically)
I grew up shooting guns, I'm still alive. I was shooting a ten guage unsupervised when I was in third grade. But its not like I didn't know what I was doing. I was well versed in firearms safety by the time I was in second grade. By third grade my dad let me loose in the yard with a ten guage single shot. I'm fourty now, it was no big deal then, and it isn't now.
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