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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23358105 - 06/18/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

As I was saying, as far as I know there are no stats on that any more. If you are interested in finding out the most recent figure from when the gun registry still existed, it's probably available somewhere.

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in 2013 atlanta had 85 homicides, that includes the self defense killings




Per-capita figures would make for more of an apples-to-apples comparison. Would that be for the city of Atlanta (which I understand has a population in the ballpark of 450k) or the entire metropolitan area? The two metropolitan areas do seem to be similarly sized, but Toronto proper has a population of 2.6 million.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: psi]
    #23358109 - 06/18/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Because shooting guns makes your dick hard


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23358635 - 06/18/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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You're the one that came in here saying futures contracts means the buyer already owns the oil that hasn't been pumped. When in reality futures contracts are based on a market and actually protect the buyer and supplier from supply interruption.

Again: a futures contract is an obligation to sell or buy at a certain price on a date sometime in the future. Please tell me how you already own the commodity if you don't actually buy or sell anything until the day the contract expires?






I have no idea what you're babbling on about, I never mentioned futures contracts, you brought them up




Sure. Lol:

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Hahaha! You're kidding right?

Ever heard of futures trading?

Fine, I'll do your research for you




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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods] * 2
    #23358660 - 06/18/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Koods... Why do you even bother... You'll never win an argument using logic against irrational people...


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #23358717 - 06/18/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Koods... Why do you even bother... You'll never win an argument using logic against irrational people...




Yeah, because Koods = logic. :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: qman] * 1
    #23358728 - 06/18/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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Patlal said:
Koods... Why do you even bother... You'll never win an argument using logic against irrational people...




Yeah, because Koods = logic. :huxleyfacepalm:




When it comes to guns he definitely has a leg up on the pro-gun people. I still don't know how you people don't realize that you only want guns because you want guns. There's no logic to it. You guys should just stop trying to come up with the flimsiest most idiotic arguments and just admit the truth. You guys want guns no matter how many people dies from them. There's no shame in admitting it. Stop trying to show us stats and shit... I know that deep down you fully realize your own arguments makes no sense. You just want the guns because you want the guns and you don't care if accidents or mass shootings happen. I get it. It's like booze. I know it's fucking up my liver, but don't take it away from me.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Patlal]
    #23358757 - 06/18/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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qman said:
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Patlal said:
Koods... Why do you even bother... You'll never win an argument using logic against irrational people...




Yeah, because Koods = logic. :huxleyfacepalm:




When it comes to guns he definitely has a leg up on the pro-gun people. I still don't know how you people don't realize that you only want guns because you want guns. There's no logic to it. You guys should just stop trying to come up with the flimsiest most idiotic arguments and just admit the truth. You guys want guns no matter how many people dies from them. There's no shame in admitting it. Stop trying to show us stats and shit... I know that deep down you fully realize your own arguments makes no sense. You just want the guns because you want the guns and you don't care if accidents or mass shootings happen. I get it. It's like booze. I know it's fucking up my liver, but don't take it away from me.




So yeah just say it. It'll take a weight off your shoulders. It's not illegal to not care about the consequences or the people involved. Guns make tens of thousands of victims a year... I don't care...


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23358758 - 06/18/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

He's got a leg up on pro-gun people who use stats and make up flimsy arguments..? How is Koods somehow different? Shit, I've already caught him once not even bothering to read his "sources". That's about as weak of an argument as you can have. Googling and posting an article just because it fit your point of view.

Koods constantly wants to throw out numbers and shit, until the numbers don't support him, then it's all a bunch of trumped up horseshit. The only difference in anything you've described between pro-gun people and Koods, is which side they're on. That's it.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: psi]
    #23358778 - 06/18/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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psi said:
As I was saying, as far as I know there are no stats on that any more. If you are interested in finding out the most recent figure from when the gun registry still existed, it's probably available somewhere.

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Prisoner#1 said:
in 2013 atlanta had 85 homicides, that includes the self defense killings




Per-capita figures would make for more of an apples-to-apples comparison. Would that be for the city of Atlanta (which I understand has a population in the ballpark of 450k) or the entire metropolitan area? The two metropolitan areas do seem to be similarly sized, but Toronto proper has a population of 2.6 million.




if the argument is about guns then a per capita homicide is obfuscating the real issue, you cannot claim that "more guns = more violent crime" unless you compare it by the number of guns


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Patlal]
    #23358789 - 06/18/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Koods... Why do you even bother... You'll never win an argument using logic against irrational people...





is it because he doesnt know how to use logic?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Patlal]
    #23358793 - 06/18/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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Patlal said:
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qman said:
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Patlal said:
Koods... Why do you even bother... You'll never win an argument using logic against irrational people...




Yeah, because Koods = logic. :huxleyfacepalm:




When it comes to guns he definitely has a leg up on the pro-gun people. I still don't know how you people don't realize that you only want guns because you want guns. There's no logic to it. You guys should just stop trying to come up with the flimsiest most idiotic arguments and just admit the truth. You guys want guns no matter how many people dies from them. There's no shame in admitting it. Stop trying to show us stats and shit... I know that deep down you fully realize your own arguments makes no sense. You just want the guns because you want the guns and you don't care if accidents or mass shootings happen. I get it. It's like booze. I know it's fucking up my liver, but don't take it away from me.




So yeah just say it. It'll take a weight off your shoulders. It's not illegal to not care about the consequences or the people involved. Guns make tens of thousands of victims a year... I don't care...




Do you even read what Koods posts?  He claims it's safer NOT to have a gun when someone breaks into your home?  Do you agree with him or not?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Shroomslip] * 2
    #23358798 - 06/18/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Listen man, I hate to break it to you, but every worldwide study by every group in the world outside of the US are in agreement that guns make more harm than good even if you take in all the heroic moment in account. But for some reason in the US (Culture, NRA, Constitution, Republican party, etc), somehow some studies produce positive results and every other studies that says otherwise are either bought and paid for by some Liberal anti-gun group.

It's almost as if there some sort bias or influence that contradicts the entire planet. But hey what do I know right?

There's no shame saying you want guns because you want guns. It leaves out the entire possibility of an anti-gun argument. If they say that people die, answer "I don't care" and suddenly they have nothing against you. Other than maybe they are too loud.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23358809 - 06/18/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

All I know is that if I didn't have my gun, I would not be alive. That's enough of a reason for me to keep it around


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: qman] * 1
    #23358812 - 06/18/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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Patlal said:

When it comes to guns he definitely has a leg up on the pro-gun people. I still don't know how you people don't realize that you only want guns because you want guns. There's no logic to it. You guys should just stop trying to come up with the flimsiest most idiotic arguments and just admit the truth. You guys want guns no matter how many people dies from them. There's no shame in admitting it. Stop trying to show us stats and shit... I know that deep down you fully realize your own arguments makes no sense. You just want the guns because you want the guns and you don't care if accidents or mass shootings happen. I get it. It's like booze. I know it's fucking up my liver, but don't take it away from me.




So yeah just say it. It'll take a weight off your shoulders. It's not illegal to not care about the consequences or the people involved. Guns make tens of thousands of victims a year... I don't care...




Do you even read what Koods posts?  He claims it's safer NOT to have a gun when someone breaks into your home?  Do you agree with him or not?




Shit... I'm gonna get sucked into the rabbit hole aren't I? Alright then.

If the guy breaks in, you're awake, you hear him, he's unarmed and the law says you can shoot him and the gun is right next to you and you have a clear shot. Sure. You are a million times safer than if you were unarmed.

Not adjust a few parameters in the situation and suddenly ou're rolling the dice. Especially if the guy in your house has a gun himself. If you're asleep and his goal is to kill you, you can have a nuke in your pocket and you're fucked. If he's stealing shit, you hear him and sneek up on him, you are safer. But don't miss and absolutely do not give him the opportunity to shoot back cause right then and there shit gets serious. You would prefer be hit b a crowbar than shot.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Patlal]
    #23358815 - 06/18/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Listen man, I hate to break it to you, but every worldwide study by every group in the world outside of the US are in agreement that guns make more harm than good even if you take in all the heroic moment in account. But for some reason in the US (Culture, NRA, Constitution, Republican party, etc), somehow some studies produce positive results and every other studies that says otherwise are either bought and paid for by some Liberal anti-gun group.

It's almost as if there some sort bias or influence that contradicts the entire planet. But hey what do I know right?

There's no shame saying you want guns because you want guns. It leaves out the entire possibility of an anti-gun argument. If they say that people die, answer "I don't care" and suddenly they have nothing against you. Other than maybe they are too loud.




Yeah, if the asshole who breaks into my house dies, "I don't care"!!!!!!!!!!!

Koods thinks that's a great anti-gun argument. :facepalm:


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23358817 - 06/18/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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psi said:
As I was saying, as far as I know there are no stats on that any more. If you are interested in finding out the most recent figure from when the gun registry still existed, it's probably available somewhere.

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
in 2013 atlanta had 85 homicides, that includes the self defense killings




Per-capita figures would make for more of an apples-to-apples comparison. Would that be for the city of Atlanta (which I understand has a population in the ballpark of 450k) or the entire metropolitan area? The two metropolitan areas do seem to be similarly sized, but Toronto proper has a population of 2.6 million.




if the argument is about guns then a per capita homicide is obfuscating the real issue, you cannot claim that "more guns = more violent crime" unless you compare it by the number of guns



I did not make the claim "more guns = more violent crime", but such a relationship could certainly exist without violent crime necessarily increasing linearly with the number of guns, and so the ratio of legal guns to gun crimes doesn't seem particularly meaningful to me. I suspect that there are some major cultural differences between Toronto and Atlanta that can't conveniently be corrected for though. My point originally was just that Toronto does not in fact have particularly high violent crime at all, that's it.


IMO Canada's gun laws work well for Canada but I wouldn't expect them to have similar results (or even pass in the first place) in the US, for both cultural and logistic reasons.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23358827 - 06/18/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It's okay to admit you don't understand the problem or how to address it. The problem isn't the guns, it's the criminals who illegally obtain them and the nut bags who buy them to do horrible shit with. Know how many shooting sprees my guns have went on? 0. My guns sit in my safe, even loaded, they've never once shot a person. They don't just get up and walk out on their own and start spraying indiscriminate shots into crowds. They don't spontaneously explode and cause shrapnel damage. They don't poison water supplies. My guns do not harm anyone. Because the guns aren't the fucking issue. Do you know how many guns are in America? What is banning them going to do? You can't just say "yep they're banned starting today" and expect they disappear tomorrow. It will be 200 years later and there will probably still be an arsenal big enough to wage a war with another major country. They're not going a goddamn place, so where is the logic in taking them away from people who wish to obtain them and use them legally? Doesn't it make MORE sense to figure out how to keep them out of the hands of people who are likely to do horrible shit with them? Unlike Australia we share a large land border with a pretty fucked up place that has tons of gun violence. The government already can't keep the flow of guns and drugs under control. You think saying "they're banned" stops that shit any differently?

Get fucking real. You're the one who doesn't seem to understand logic.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Patlal]
    #23358829 - 06/18/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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qman said:
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Patlal said:
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Patlal said:

When it comes to guns he definitely has a leg up on the pro-gun people. I still don't know how you people don't realize that you only want guns because you want guns. There's no logic to it. You guys should just stop trying to come up with the flimsiest most idiotic arguments and just admit the truth. You guys want guns no matter how many people dies from them. There's no shame in admitting it. Stop trying to show us stats and shit... I know that deep down you fully realize your own arguments makes no sense. You just want the guns because you want the guns and you don't care if accidents or mass shootings happen. I get it. It's like booze. I know it's fucking up my liver, but don't take it away from me.




So yeah just say it. It'll take a weight off your shoulders. It's not illegal to not care about the consequences or the people involved. Guns make tens of thousands of victims a year... I don't care...




Do you even read what Koods posts?  He claims it's safer NOT to have a gun when someone breaks into your home?  Do you agree with him or not?




Shit... I'm gonna get sucked into the black hole aren't I? Alright then.

If the guy breaks in, you're awake, you hear him, he's unarmed and the law says you can shoot him and the gun is right next to you and you have a clear shot. Sure. You are a million times safer than if you were unarmed.

Not adjust a few parameters in the situation and suddenly ou're rolling the dice. Especially if the guy in your house has a gun himself. If you're asleep and his goal is to kill you, you can have a nuke in your pocket and you're fucked. If he's stealing shit, you hear him and sneek up on him, you are safer. But don't miss and absolutely do not give him the opportunity to shoot back cause right then and there shit gets serious. You would prefer be hit b a crowbar than shot.




So my 73 year old mother should just pray that the person who broke into her home doesn't kill her?  Koods logic! 

Because if she tried to defend herself from potential death, she increased her chances of getting killed, Koods logic!

Get your head out of your ass, because you're not in reality.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: qman] * 1
    #23358840 - 06/18/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

and if the person who breaks into your house doesn't want to steal things, he just likes killing people? this has never happened to me personally obviously, but i watch tons of forensic files. :stoned:


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23358842 - 06/18/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Listen man, I hate to break it to you, but every worldwide study by every group in the world outside of the US are in agreement that guns make more harm than good even if you take in all the heroic moment in account.




all the studies?

koods posed one such study claiming that it's more likely that you'll be shot if
you have a gun, the problem is the study really only cherry picked the shooting
it wanted in order to make the claim, so people from outside of Philly were
excluded, they opted to primarily cover only inner city gang members and paint
them as victims of shootings in a place where guns are heavily restricted to
begin with. that's the problem with studies, they dont portray the reality
because they get cherry picked for an agenda

statistics are a little different, they show  a bigger picture, the problem is
they dont break it down well, for instance, the FBI compiles homicide statistics
but they dont break it down to justifiable homicide vs murder,  homicide as they
define it is the intentional killing of another person,  the prime example there
is one fresh in our minds, Travon, george zimmerman intentionally killed travon
martin in a justifiable homicide while Mateen killed 50 people but it wasnt
justifiable homicide, it was intentional murder


so in reality, gums do make thing very unsafe for many perpetrators of violent crime

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But for some reason in the US (Culture, NRA, Constitution, Republican party, etc), somehow some studies produce positive results and every other studies that says otherwise are either bought and paid for by some Liberal anti-gun group.





maybe it's because they're all cherry picked


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There's no shame saying you want guns because you want guns.




the way it works, if a man doesnt want to live in a country with guns then no
one is stopping them from leaving, it seem most of the anti-gunners also hate
everything about the US so why do they stay? surely canada has plenty of room
for all those opposed to guns, that want free health care and a living wage,
canada has all that to offer, why havent you guys opened your borders?


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