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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
    #23357692 - 06/18/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Hahaha! You're kidding right?

Ever heard of futures trading?

Fine, I'll do your research for you




Lol. A futures contract obliges the seller to sell or the buyer to buy a product at a certain price. If the seller cannot produce the product they must purchase it on the open market, and resell it. Futures contracts say nothing about owning oil from a particular oil field. A large majority of futures contracts are made by people who aren't even producers of the commodity. Futures contracts were actually designed in part because it is understood that things like crop failures or oil field failures occur.




And what field do you think Kuwaiti oil companies sell from?

The buyer buys oil from a company, companies that contract to buy do care actually what field it's from, tar sands isn't worth as much as Texas crude, maybe you should actually research what you are talking about...


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23357699 - 06/18/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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koods said:
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hostileuniverse said:
Hahaha! You're kidding right?

Ever heard of futures trading?

Fine, I'll do your research for you




Lol. A futures contract obliges the seller to sell or the buyer to buy a product at a certain price. If the seller cannot produce the product they must purchase it on the open market, and resell it. Futures contracts say nothing about owning oil from a particular oil field. A large majority of futures contracts are made by people who aren't even producers of the commodity. Futures contracts were actually designed in part because it is understood that things like crop failures or oil field failures occur.




And what field do you think Kuwaiti oil companies sell from?

The buyer buys oil from a company, companies that contract to buy do care actually what field it's from, tar sands isn't worth as much as Texas crude, maybe you should actually research what you are talking about...




No, the buyer buys oil on the market. The seller sells oil to the market.

You're really our of your league on this one. I would suggest you do a bit of research.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
    #23357713 - 06/18/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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No, the buyer buys oil on the market. The seller sells oil to the market.




so oil is only on the market and it has no other source of origin?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
    #23357716 - 06/18/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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koods said:
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hostileuniverse said:
Hahaha! You're kidding right?

Ever heard of futures trading?

Fine, I'll do your research for you




Lol. A futures contract obliges the seller to sell or the buyer to buy a product at a certain price. If the seller cannot produce the product they must purchase it on the open market, and resell it. Futures contracts say nothing about owning oil from a particular oil field. A large majority of futures contracts are made by people who aren't even producers of the commodity. Futures contracts were actually designed in part because it is understood that things like crop failures or oil field failures occur.




And what field do you think Kuwaiti oil companies sell from?

The buyer buys oil from a company, companies that contract to buy do care actually what field it's from, tar sands isn't worth as much as Texas crude, maybe you should actually research what you are talking about...




No, the buyer buys oil on the market. The seller sells oil to the market.




Yes, but they do negotiate what oil they are buying,

the oil quality varies state by state just within the US, and yes, the price varies with it. Someone buying 10,000 barrels of Brent crude isn't gonna be happy if they are sent 10,000 barrels of tar sands.

You should really do your research on this


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
    #23357720 - 06/18/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I like the part where you said terrorists have shot up recruitment offices... Which are gun free zones... Pris crapped on your regurgitated talking points and you either change gear, side step, or just ignore it.  Next rampage at a gun free zone I'm just gonna roll my eyes at, don't go where people are defenseless, stop blaming the tool.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23357755 - 06/18/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Lol. A futures contract obliges the seller to sell or the buyer to buy a product at a certain price. If the seller cannot produce the product they must purchase it on the open market, and resell it. Futures contracts say nothing about owning oil from a particular oil field. A large majority of futures contracts are made by people who aren't even producers of the commodity. Futures contracts were actually designed in part because it is understood that things like crop failures or oil field failures occur.




And what field do you think Kuwaiti oil companies sell from?

The buyer buys oil from a company, companies that contract to buy do care actually what field it's from, tar sands isn't worth as much as Texas crude, maybe you should actually research what you are talking about...




No, the buyer buys oil on the market. The seller sells oil to the market.




Yes, but they do negotiate what oil they are buying,

the oil quality varies state by state just within the US, and yes, the price varies with it. Someone buying 10,000 barrels of Brent crude isn't gonna be happy if they are sent 10,000 barrels of tar sands.

You should really do your research on this



That's why there are different markets for different grades. You really don't seem to know much about commodities markets.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
    #23357761 - 06/18/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

lol, you don't seem to know much about oil markets:shrug:


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23357824 - 06/18/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You're the one that came in here saying futures contracts means the buyer already owns the oil that hasn't been pumped. When in reality futures contracts are based on a market and actually protect the buyer and supplier from supply interruption.

Again: a futures contract is an obligation to sell or buy at a certain price on a date sometime in the future. Please tell me how you already own the commodity if you don't actually buy or sell anything until the day the contract expires?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
    #23357833 - 06/18/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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American gangs are dangerous because this country is flooded with guns. Toronto has a big gang problem.





Wha?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: lowbrow]
    #23357839 - 06/18/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Wha what?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #23357844 - 06/18/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I like the part where you said terrorists have shot up recruitment offices... Which are gun free zones... Pris crapped on your regurgitated talking points and you either change gear, side step, or just ignore it.  Next rampage at a gun free zone I'm just gonna roll my eyes at, don't go where people are defenseless, stop blaming the tool.





2 months after clinton took office guns were banned on military installations by
anyone other than military or civilian police

http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r190_14.pdf


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
    #23357900 - 06/18/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Wha what?





Toronto is not in the United States.  That's Canada.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: lowbrow]
    #23357909 - 06/18/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe he meant Toronto, Ohio.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: psi]
    #23357937 - 06/18/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23357957 - 06/18/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, so does Toronto have a lot of murders compared to similarly-sized North American cities?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: psi]
    #23357997 - 06/18/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh, so does Toronto have a lot of murders compared to similarly-sized North American cities?





the question you should ask is do they have a lot of murders in relation to the
number of legally owned guns in the city, it seems that there's nearly a million
legally owned guns in atlanta, a city comparable in size to toronto but we dont
seem to have a million murders

how many legally owed guns are there in toronto?


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: psi]
    #23358006 - 06/18/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It's already illegal to shoot someone with a gun unless it's for self defense, wtf is another law gonna do? Unless you want cyborg robot cop 9000's on every street corner at your expense to protect you stop trying to rely on you public servants with a response time of 5+ minutes and man the fuck up. Carry your own god damn gun and stop the shitbags literally on site.. This liberal bullshit is only going to get more and more people killed, or create a police state out of fear and laziness.. Half these fucking mass shootings are fake anyways to try and scare the general public which raises the prices of ammo and weapons to turn a quick profit for these higher ups.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23358015 - 06/18/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh, so does Toronto have a lot of murders compared to similarly-sized North American cities?





the question you should ask is do they have a lot of murders in relation to the
number of legally owned guns in the city




Ok, so what would be the relevance of that figure?

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it seems that there's nearly a million
legally owned guns in atlanta, a city comparable in size to toronto but we dont
seem to have a million murders




No, but it does seem that there are many many times more murders in Atlanta than there are in Toronto:
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Crime in Toronto has been relatively low for a very long period of time. A 2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist ranked Toronto as the eighth safest major city in the world, and the safest major city in North America.[1]

For comparisons to various cities in North America, in 2012 for example, the homicide rate for the city of Toronto was 2.0 per 100,000 people,[2] yet for Atlanta (19.0), Chicago (18.5), Boston (9.0), San Francisco (8.6), New York City (5.1), and San Jose (4.6) it was higher, while it was significantly lower in Vancouver (1.2).[3][4] In 2007, Toronto's robbery rate also ranked low, with 207.1 robberies per 100,000 people, compared to Detroit (675.1), Chicago (588.6), Los Angeles (348.5), Vancouver (266.2), New York City (265.9), Montreal (235.3), San Diego (158.8), and Portland (150.5).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Toronto

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how many legally owed guns are there in toronto?



Couldn't tell you, there was a federal gun registry at one point but it was scrapped.


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
    #23358039 - 06/18/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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You're the one that came in here saying futures contracts means the buyer already owns the oil that hasn't been pumped. When in reality futures contracts are based on a market and actually protect the buyer and supplier from supply interruption.

Again: a futures contract is an obligation to sell or buy at a certain price on a date sometime in the future. Please tell me how you already own the commodity if you don't actually buy or sell anything until the day the contract expires?






I have no idea what you're babbling on about, I never mentioned futures contracts, you brought them up. I'm talking about the people who actually buy and sell the actual oil...

it works both ways, a buyer can hedge his future oil with a company at a set price, THAT MEANS HE PAYS THAT SET PRICE REGARDLESS OF MARKET VALUE. The seller can hedge his oil, that hasn't been sold yet because it still in the ground, at a set price, THAT MEANS HE GETS THAT PRICE REGARDLESS OF ACTUAL MARKET VALUE.

It's a gamble, sometimes it works well for the seller, hedging it at 70/bbl was a damn smart move a year ago, for the buyer, not so much. hedging it at 40/bbl isn't paying so well right about now for the seller, except for the buyer its a fucking deal.

I'm not sure what part about this you don't understand, other than all of it. It's fairly simple:shrug:


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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: psi]
    #23358067 - 06/18/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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psi said:
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psi said:
Oh, so does Toronto have a lot of murders compared to similarly-sized North American cities?





the question you should ask is do they have a lot of murders in relation to the
number of legally owned guns in the city




Ok, so what would be the relevance of that figure?

Quote:

it seems that there's nearly a million
legally owned guns in atlanta, a city comparable in size to toronto but we dont
seem to have a million murders




No, but it does seem that there are many many times more murders in Atlanta than there are in Toronto:
Quote:

Crime in Toronto has been relatively low for a very long period of time. A 2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist ranked Toronto as the eighth safest major city in the world, and the safest major city in North America.[1]

For comparisons to various cities in North America, in 2012 for example, the homicide rate for the city of Toronto was 2.0 per 100,000 people,[2] yet for Atlanta (19.0), Chicago (18.5), Boston (9.0), San Francisco (8.6), New York City (5.1), and San Jose (4.6) it was higher, while it was significantly lower in Vancouver (1.2).[3][4] In 2007, Toronto's robbery rate also ranked low, with 207.1 robberies per 100,000 people, compared to Detroit (675.1), Chicago (588.6), Los Angeles (348.5), Vancouver (266.2), New York City (265.9), Montreal (235.3), San Diego (158.8), and Portland (150.5).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Toronto

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how many legally owed guns are there in toronto?



Couldn't tell you, there was a federal gun registry at one point but it was scrapped.





in 2013 atlanta had 85 homicides, that includes the self defense killings
in 2013 totonto had 57 homicides, there's apparently no self defense in canada

atlanta has more than 1 million legal guns, how many legal guns does toronto have?


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