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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23357438 - 06/18/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You made it sound like we started every war, should we have let saddam continue to rape and pillage the country of Kuwait?
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
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koods said: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/jul/31/returning-fire-navy-officer-confirms-he-shot/317455/
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When Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez attacked the U.S. Naval and Marine Reserve Center on July 16 with a handgun and an assault rifle, Navy Lt. Cmdr. Tim White opened fire.
White used his personal weapon to try to fend off Abdulazeez, he confirmed to the Times Free Press on Thursday. Abdulazeez killed four Marines and a Navy specialist in the brazen daytime attack.
There was an armed cop at the front of pulse.
Waiting for your excuses why these don't count.
you were saying there were armed people in recruiting stations and military bases where these other shooting happened, dont back pedal now and revery to the shooting in a bar where guns arent allowed and the cop working security cant just go shooting into a crowd while the assailant is trying to provide himself as many human shields as possible
no one is claiming an armed citizen will always stop a gunman but you seem to be of the belief that everyone is claiming that. Abdulazeez pulled a drive by on one recruiting center and crashed the fence on another, shooting his way in and through the office. tell me how one of them not having a gun will save those men that were killed
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Asante] 2
#23357447 - 06/18/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Asante said: Could it be that your gangs are so physically violent, guns are all over the country and you havent had a single day without being in a war YOU started since World War 2, are somehow related?
Could it be that your oligarchy is a bit, well, violent in nature?
Compared to Holland you guys are SO VIOLENT. Its in your nature as a culture to meet adversity with aggression, and thats saying it nicely.
"You guys are SO VIOLENT"
Actually it's a very small segment in the US population that's violent, if I pointed out those demographic facts I don't think you would like it. So enough of the generalizations.
"Its in your nature as a culture to meet adversity with aggression"
Once again, I could clearly point out the segments of US society that meet that criteria, but you already know the result.
You do realize that legal gun owners are almost never involved in senseless criminal violence?
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#23357458 - 06/18/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Gang related yes- and the typical method of settling gang beef involves drive by shootings and gunfights in the streets- which kill Innocent by standers all the time
Mistaken identity, spraying the block with bullets etc - innocents and children get killed in gang related shootings all the time Pretending it only effects the guilty is pure nonsense
Very true, but that's where the gun violence exists in the US, BTW, those are NOT legal guns being used by those gang members.
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hostileuniverse said: You made it sound like we started every war, should we have let saddam continue to rape and pillage the country of Kuwait?
Where was the American overkill during the Rwanda Genocide? The Yugoslavia Genocide? Apartheid South Africa AND! North Korea now?
No moral authority, pure economic interests of your oligarchy. America didnt attack because of humanitarian interests or because of America's selfinterest, you attacked because your oligarchy could (continue to) make a lot of money.
Your 0.001% sacrificed all those lives on both sides, all those soldiers and civilians mentally destroyed for what they been through, used up TRILLIONS of your tax money, hogged the economic resources of your country to wage a war and - all that so they could stuff the pockets of the chosen few with the tax money of America and the spoils of war from Iraq.
And they didnt take Saddam out while they easily could, so they could go in again.
So no, no moral authority, that ended in World War 2, where, I say with clarity, you were great heroes up to a point.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23357476 - 06/18/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Le_Canard said: My take as an evul liberal is that I've never had the desire or need of a gun, and if they magically disappeared over night, I certainly wouldn't shed a tear. Having said that, though, I don't think prohibition of them is the answer. Ownership of firearms is in the constitution in no uncertain terms, after all. Besides this, we all know how well prohibition works (like not at all). And to add, I've no problems with responsible gun ownership.
Ownership of certain weapons are protected. Ar-15s are not. Machine guns have essentially been banned for decades. That ban works pretty well. We don't have a lot of mass machine gunnings, do we?
you're wrong on both counts. you and I have been through this before
I can and have owned machine guns legally, ar-15s are protected under the second amendment
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/05/21/machine-guns-legal-practical-guide-full-auto/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/assault-weapons-constitutional-protection_us_56b38ec7e4b08069c7a65c21
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: qman] 1
#23357489 - 06/18/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Asante said: Could it be that your gangs are so physically violent, guns are all over the country and you havent had a single day without being in a war YOU started since World War 2, are somehow related?
Could it be that your oligarchy is a bit, well, violent in nature?
Compared to Holland you guys are SO VIOLENT. Its in your nature as a culture to meet adversity with aggression, and thats saying it nicely.
"You guys are SO VIOLENT"
Actually it's a very small segment in the US population that's violent, if I pointed out those demographic facts I don't think you would like it. So enough of the generalizations.
it's actually a much larger segment than you think and it isnt bound by race, income, egographic location or anything else you may try to imagine, it's a political boundary, liberals are proving themselves to be the largest source of violence in the ccountry
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Well, I agree we should have taken Hussein out back then, I am also disappointed at that
Yes, Kuwait was/is our ally, I fail to see how helping them was wrong
Yes, we had/have economic interests in Kuwait, I fail to see how protecting that is wrong
I notice your double standard, when we intervene, we are impuned, when we don't we are lambasted, so which is it? You want us to be world police or not?
And before you say "war for oil"... You goddam right, it's our fucking oil and we have every right to protect it!
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koods said: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/jul/31/returning-fire-navy-officer-confirms-he-shot/317455/
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When Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez attacked the U.S. Naval and Marine Reserve Center on July 16 with a handgun and an assault rifle, Navy Lt. Cmdr. Tim White opened fire.
White used his personal weapon to try to fend off Abdulazeez, he confirmed to the Times Free Press on Thursday. Abdulazeez killed four Marines and a Navy specialist in the brazen daytime attack.
There was an armed cop at the front of pulse.
Waiting for your excuses why these don't count.
you were saying there were armed people in recruiting stations and military bases where these other shooting happened, dont back pedal now and revery to the shooting in a bar where guns arent allowed and the cop working security cant just go shooting into a crowd while the assailant is trying to provide himself as many human shields as possible
no one is claiming an armed citizen will always stop a gunman but you seem to be of the belief that everyone is claiming that. Abdulazeez pulled a drive by on one recruiting center and crashed the fence on another, shooting his way in and through the office. tell me how one of them not having a gun will save those men that were killed
Just what I expected. Somehow the people with guns who couldn't stop the shooter don't count.
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hostileuniverse said: Well, I agree we should have taken Hussein out back then, I am also disappointed at that
Yes, Kuwait was/is our ally, I fail to see how helping them was wrong
Yes, we had/have economic interests in Kuwait, I fail to see how protecting that is wrong
I notice your double standard, when we intervene, we are impuned, when we don't we are lambasted, so which is it? You want us to be world police or not?
And before you say "war for oil"... You goddam right, it's our fucking oil and we have every right to protect it!
It's our oil?
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Asante said: Could it be that your gangs are so physically violent, guns are all over the country and you havent had a single day without being in a war YOU started since World War 2, are somehow related?
Could it be that your oligarchy is a bit, well, violent in nature?
Compared to Holland you guys are SO VIOLENT. Its in your nature as a culture to meet adversity with aggression, and thats saying it nicely.
"You guys are SO VIOLENT"
Actually it's a very small segment in the US population that's violent, if I pointed out those demographic facts I don't think you would like it. So enough of the generalizations.
it's actually a much larger segment than you think and it isnt bound by race, income, egographic location or anything else you may try to imagine, it's a political boundary, liberals are proving themselves to be the largest source of violence in the ccountry
I'm not sure why you would consider people committing the vast majority of violent crime in the US to be liberals, in my opinion they're non-political thugs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: qman]
#23357550 - 06/18/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Gang related yes- and the typical method of settling gang beef involves drive by shootings and gunfights in the streets- which kill Innocent by standers all the time
Mistaken identity, spraying the block with bullets etc - innocents and children get killed in gang related shootings all the time Pretending it only effects the guilty is pure nonsense
Very true, but that's where the gun violence exists in the US, BTW, those are NOT legal guns being used by those gang members.
are you claiming those guns were illegally manufactured. They were all legal until they ended up in the black market - either stolen or diverted from legal sources.
The reason there aren't a lot of machine guns on the streets these days is because it has been effectively illegal to manufacture and import machine guns in the us for 30 years now.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23357568 - 06/18/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Well, I agree we should have taken Hussein out back then, I am also disappointed at that
Yes, Kuwait was/is our ally, I fail to see how helping them was wrong
Yes, we had/have economic interests in Kuwait, I fail to see how protecting that is wrong
I notice your double standard, when we intervene, we are impuned, when we don't we are lambasted, so which is it? You want us to be world police or not?
And before you say "war for oil"... You goddam right, it's our fucking oil and we have every right to protect it!
It's our oil?
Yes. If you contract to buy something, even if it's not produced yet, it's yours. Happens all the time in commodities
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23357572 - 06/18/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Personally I feel like Canada's gun laws are the right balance . We can own rifles and shotguns if we take the appropriate training but can't own handguns.
Actually it is possible to legally own a handgun in Canada as a private citizen, but the restrictions around it are so heavy that most people wouldn't want to bother.
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hostileuniverse said: Well, I agree we should have taken Hussein out back then, I am also disappointed at that
Yes, Kuwait was/is our ally, I fail to see how helping them was wrong
Yes, we had/have economic interests in Kuwait, I fail to see how protecting that is wrong
I notice your double standard, when we intervene, we are impuned, when we don't we are lambasted, so which is it? You want us to be world police or not?
And before you say "war for oil"... You goddam right, it's our fucking oil and we have every right to protect it!
It's our oil?
Yes. If you contract to buy something, even if it's not produced yet, it's yours. Happens all the time in commodities
I don't think you have a clue how the international oil market works. Nobody has a contract on oil that hasn't even been pumped out of the ground yet. I think you are confused about the nature of futures contracts.
Also, it is not the business of government to protect commercial contracts.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods] 1
#23357602 - 06/18/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hahaha! You're kidding right?
Ever heard of futures trading?
Fine, I'll do your research for you
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods]
#23357603 - 06/18/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/jul/31/returning-fire-navy-officer-confirms-he-shot/317455/
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When Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez attacked the U.S. Naval and Marine Reserve Center on July 16 with a handgun and an assault rifle, Navy Lt. Cmdr. Tim White opened fire.
White used his personal weapon to try to fend off Abdulazeez, he confirmed to the Times Free Press on Thursday. Abdulazeez killed four Marines and a Navy specialist in the brazen daytime attack.
There was an armed cop at the front of pulse.
Waiting for your excuses why these don't count.
you were saying there were armed people in recruiting stations and military bases where these other shooting happened, dont back pedal now and revery to the shooting in a bar where guns arent allowed and the cop working security cant just go shooting into a crowd while the assailant is trying to provide himself as many human shields as possible
no one is claiming an armed citizen will always stop a gunman but you seem to be of the belief that everyone is claiming that. Abdulazeez pulled a drive by on one recruiting center and crashed the fence on another, shooting his way in and through the office. tell me how one of them not having a gun will save those men that were killed
Just what I expected. Somehow the people with guns who couldn't stop the shooter don't count.
sorry we cant all be super liberals that can make a shooter surrender his weapons and turn himself in like yourself and Dianne Feinstein, where were you when pulse was being shot up in a terrorist attack, why didnt you stop it?
where have I ever claimed that 100% of the time a good guy with a gun will always stop a bad guy with a gun? I ams still waiting for yu to validate your lie about everyone on the military base and in the recruiting centers being armed
but wait... wasnt Abdulazeez stopped by good guys with guns? wasnt Mateen also stopped by good guys with guns? in fact, werent all of those mass shooters stopped by good guys with guns?
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hostileuniverse said: Hahaha! You're kidding right?
Ever heard of futures trading?
Fine, I'll do your research for you
Lol. A futures contract obliges the seller to sell or the buyer to buy a product at a certain price. If the seller cannot produce the product they must purchase it on the open market, and resell it. Futures contracts say nothing about owning oil from a particular oil field. A large majority of futures contracts are made by people who aren't even producers of the commodity. Futures contracts were actually designed in part because it is understood that things like crop failures or oil field failures occur.
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: koods] 1
#23357672 - 06/18/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Without going into too much detail...
I have a gun cause I love guns. I also have a gun because I don't want to be robbed or killed or have my gf molested or something insane like that. I also have a gun because if we give up our rights then we might as well be slaves, I'm not giving up my rights to own weapons and I'm not giving up my rights of free speech so I excersize both openly. Were still America.
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(Reuters) - U.S. oil producers pounced on this month's 20 percent rally in crude futures to the highest level since November, locking in better prices for their oil by selling future output and securing an additional lifeline for the years-long downturn
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0XT07T
As for "govt protecting commercial contracts"
It's called protecting our interests, what do you think would have happened if our supply was suddenly cut off?
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