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Why have a gun?
#23347493 - 06/15/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey so for the record I came from a conservative family. Really strong traditional asian background. My parents never supported buying a gun and never had a gun in the house
I went on to become a boyscout and eventually an eagle scout. A troop full of white people really influenced me. I ended up shooting all kinds of guns. Pistols, .22 rifles, black powder rifles, shotguns etc. I was surprisingly good with them too. It was tons of fun and for a nerdy asian kid, being the best shot in the troop was a fond memory and boost of self esteem
My parents are financially supporting me through college at the moment. I work and pay for some of my stuff but my parents are giving me a generous hand. They said they would not support financially if I got a gun. Once I am a little more settled, I plan on getting some sort of 0.22 rifle
With the all the recent mass shootings, I have been thinking more and more about gun rights. I am leaning more towards the right on the issue. I feel being familiar with guns at a young age made me realize that they are incredibly powerful and there's a lot of responsibility in owning one. This is pretty surprising considering people in California (my home state) are pretty damn anti-second amendment
But my buddy brought up the idea of "why have a gun in the first place?". I know tons of people with guns but I am yet to hear of a single time someone has actually protected their family with a gun. It's not like people go around town lugging their AR-15's openly to the mall and chipotle; where there are mass shootings
Is it a psychological thing? That having guns makes people FEEL safer? I have little interest in hunting. But I was wondering if you guys had any life-saving experiences with guns? Or any real reason outside of hobby to have a gun?
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#23347513 - 06/15/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Guns save lives everyday, just the other day in Orlando, guns saved hundreds of lives...
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#23347519 - 06/15/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just look at all the people who have shot and killed intruders in their homes, it happens. Also I bet "I wish I had a gun" went through the minds of people getting slaughtered the other night in Orlando.
"When seconds count the police are minutes away." I am not paranoid or worried about anything, it's not a psychological thing, it's that if shit hits the fan I can defend my life.
Listen, you can buy a gun and have it sit near you for a lifetime and never have to use it, perfect, that's what you want. But it's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
I view it like an insurance policy. Spent $700 and if someone breaks into my house they're dying.
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I read in the news once about an old man had his house broken into by a younger man and he fired a warning shot at the guy and he split. What would have happened to the old man without the gun? Problem is if you have kids to keep it locked up and still access it in time. And people with suicidal ideations should maybe look into a taser gun or something instead that they cannot harm themselves with.
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But I assumed that guns are not allowed in clubs? When I go clubbing and take a fuckton of sedatives, the last thing I think of taking with me is a gun?Quote:
hostileuniverse said: Guns save lives everyday, just the other day in Orlando, guns saved hundreds of lives...

Thats the issue. People on both sides of this issue will cherry pick countries' with low and high crime correlated with guns
I feel that the rates of gun related violence, homicide, mass shootings, and mental health are all UNIQUELY high in the US. Making us a special case. I feel that mental health needs to be confronted first. but IDK how the fuck our authoritative figures would do that
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: topdog82]
#23347566 - 06/15/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I can blow my fucking brains out
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#23347587 - 06/15/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why not have a gun? They're a lot of fun to shoot.
I sold two of my guns but not selling the last one. I have an unpredictable, violent asshat living "in my backyard". The property used to be one piece but my grandma sold him the garage apartment and that side of the yard long ago so it's legally his. Nothing I can do to get him to leave and we can't afford to. Has tried to kill me before and has threatened to do it again multiple times recently, the police won't do anything about it. So the last gun is insurance. The properties are clearly separated by fences, I don't go on his, he has no business on mine. He'll be treated like any other home intruder if he ever comes onto my property and tries to get in my house.
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Your 2nd amendment right to own a gun is the reason you enjoy the freedom you have today. life before guns was brutal in ways most people can't imagine. When guns came onto the scene all of a sudden your size, your skill with a spear/bow didn't decide who is in charge.
Any ground given on your right to own a gun erodes your free speech, your right to a fair trial and pretty much every right you have. Most people opposed to gun ownership have not reached an understanding of how all of your freedoms depend on each other to exist. I was guilty of that same flawed logic when I was younger.
I hope most people here are smart enough to understand that our politicians are not as stupid as they look. They know banning guns outright would spark a civil war. They are playing the long con. I believe our 2nd amendment rights have been violated already. from the prospective of a citizen from 200 years ago, our current gun control laws would seem very restrictive. And if you traveled 200 years into our future you'd probably find the right to bear arms so restricted you'd probably agree that the 2nd amendment is dead.
As an American that tends to lean more conservative I'd fight to the death for your right to free speech. But that free speech only exists if you'll fight for my right to own the weapons I'd need to defend you.
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PreparationH said: Just look at all the people who have shot and killed intruders in their homes, it happens.
Look at all the people who shot a family member because they believe that shit. You are never going to shoot an intruder but you have a good chance of that gun causing tragedy. Stop with the hero fantasy nonsense, if you are not a drug dealer you aren't going to get home invaded.
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#23347656 - 06/15/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: Just look at all the people who have shot and killed intruders in their homes, it happens.
Look at all the people who shot a family member because they believe that shit. You are never going to shoot an intruder but you have a good chance of that gun causing tragedy. Stop with the hero fantasy nonsense, if you are not a drug dealer you aren't going to get home invaded.
This is the most stupid gun comment I've ever read.
"you dont get invaded if your not a drug dealer"
Are you fucking high?
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#23347665 - 06/15/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: Just look at all the people who have shot and killed intruders in their homes, it happens.
Look at all the people who shot a family member because they believe that shit. You are never going to shoot an intruder but you have a good chance of that gun causing tragedy. Stop with the hero fantasy nonsense, if you are not a drug dealer you aren't going to get home invaded.
 About 5 years ago when i lived with my dad, in a nice neighborhood, there was a string of robberies.. My neighbors house was invaded in the middle of the night and they shot the intruders dead. Then 2 months later a robbery on the next street over one of the intruders were shot.
My boyfriend in highschool, his home was invaded, he got in a gun fight with the 3 intruders. He killed two and was shot by the remaining one but lucky survived.
So there are 3 examples that i can think off the top of my head. None of these people sold drugs. They lived in nice homes and intruders came in their occupied house in the middle if the night
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It's likely that the chances of accidental injury with a firearm are much greater than being a hero and shooting your way out of a burglary. However, its extremely difficult to quantitate the number of times a gun has "saved" someone.
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PreparationH said: Just look at all the people who have shot and killed intruders in their homes, it happens.
Look at all the people who shot a family member because they believe that shit. You are never going to shoot an intruder but you have a good chance of that gun causing tragedy. Stop with the hero fantasy nonsense, if you are not a drug dealer you aren't going to get home invaded.
My best friend served 3 years in prison for home invasions and selling stolen property. He didn't rob drug dealers he robbed ANYONE he thought he could get in and out of their home without being killed/arrested. He was a junky at that point and lived in a nice neighborhood robbing his own neighbors.
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Ya and my parents are reitring and settling in a nice area. Even thier small house in a tiny upscale neighboorhood has been having burglaries
Fuck it. I may get a gun. Pistol, submachine gun, or shotgun? Can't decide. The hobby aspect is always nice but I don't care too much for that. I would rather stick to personal protection purposes
Also; I am not sure how I would distinguish a family member from a robber. maybe I should get a stun gun or a sword
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Re: Why have a gun? [Re: topdog82]
#23347725 - 06/15/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: Ya and my parents are reitring and settling in a nice area. Even thier small house in a tiny upscale neighboorhood has been having burglaries
Fuck it. I may get a gun. Pistol, submachine gun, or shotgun? Can't decide. The hobby aspect is always nice but I don't care too much for that. I would rather stick to personal protection purposes
Also; I am not sure how I would distinguish a family member from a robber. maybe I should get a stun gun or a sword
Pistol or shotgun IMO. also i hope u r joking about the family member thing, i mean you would easily decapitate a family member with a sword
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#23347726 - 06/15/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: Ya and my parents are reitring and settling in a nice area. Even thier small house in a tiny upscale neighboorhood has been having burglaries
Fuck it. I may get a gun. Pistol, submachine gun, or shotgun? Can't decide. The hobby aspect is always nice but I don't care too much for that. I would rather stick to personal protection purposes
Also; I am not sure how I would distinguish a family member from a robber. maybe I should get a stun gun or a sword
You should have a small but strong led flash light with whatever gun you plan on using for home defense. Part of being a gun owner and using your weapon is knowing what lies beyond your target.
If you plan to carry, get a pistol. If you just want to protect your home shotgun and rifles are best, IMO.
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topdog82 said: Ya and my parents are reitring and settling in a nice area. Even thier small house in a tiny upscale neighboorhood has been having burglaries
Fuck it. I may get a gun. Pistol, submachine gun, or shotgun? Can't decide. The hobby aspect is always nice but I don't care too much for that. I would rather stick to personal protection purposes
Also; I am not sure how I would distinguish a family member from a robber. maybe I should get a stun gun or a sword
You should have a small but strong led flash light with whatever gun you plan on using for home defense. Part of being a gun owner and using your weapon is knowing what lies beyond your target.
If you plan to carry, get a pistol. If you just want to protect your home shotgun and rifles are best, IMO.
QFT. Also when using the shotgun, use buck shot. You don't want to be spraying pellets all over your house
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