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Contaminated monotub?
    #23347237 - 06/15/16 12:55 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Is my monotub contaminated? It has been over a week since I put it in fruiting. I used 2pint jars with 98% colonization. Then I had some small jars I just took out the mycelium and threw the rest uncolonized away. I did a 50/50 coir vermiculite mix using a 1:3 ratio. There's a lot of raindrops on the substrate and a few pale yellow spots, then there's spots with foamy mycelium.  I have 3 small holes on each side and I fan 1-2 times a day. I don't know if it's contaminated or I did something wrong with the tub. Does it generally take 20+ days to fruit?




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Re: Contaminated monotub? [Re: Booooooooom]
    #23347281 - 06/15/16 01:07 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

2 pints on an 18 gallon?

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Re: Contaminated monotub? [Re: Easyriding123]
    #23347309 - 06/15/16 01:16 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Bacteria. Uncolonized jars = problems.

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Re: Contaminated monotub? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23347625 - 06/15/16 02:42 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Contaminated monotub? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23347683 - 06/15/16 02:58 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Bacteria. Uncolonized jars = problems.



Does it mean nothing will grow and I need to throw it away?

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Re: Contaminated monotub? [Re: Easyriding123]
    #23347689 - 06/15/16 03:01 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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2 pints on an 18 gallon?



No it's a lot smaller maybe 30liters or less. And it's 3 pints total mycelium

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Re: Contaminated monotub? [Re: Booooooooom]
    #23347865 - 06/15/16 03:51 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Op, I think you will be okay. Those pics don't look too bad. Mist introduce alot of fae and you should see some action soon.

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Re: Contaminated monotub? [Re: Easyriding123]
    #23348838 - 06/15/16 09:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Op, I think you will be okay. Those pics don't look too bad. Mist introduce alot of fae and you should see some action soon.




You mist your monos before the 1st flush?

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Re: Contaminated monotub? [Re: Booooooooom]
    #23348893 - 06/15/16 09:25 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Looks bacterial. Using spawn that wasn't 100% would go along way to explain why. Just ditching the uncolonized part doesn't solve it and it was probably bacterial anyway.

You may get some shrooms; bacteria is not always total fail.

You aren't getting enough FAE though either and that will make it worse. All I see are tiny holes stuffed with poly, top and lid. This won't give you adequate FAE. At least take the poly out of the top holes. For your next grow, tape over those holes and make a better mono with larger holes in the right places.


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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23349574 - 06/16/16 02:08 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Op, I think you will be okay. Those pics don't look too bad. Mist introduce alot of fae and you should see some action soon.



How many Times a day do you think i should do it?
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Looks bacterial. Using spawn that wasn't 100% would go along way to explain why. Just ditching the uncolonized part doesn't solve it and it was probably bacterial anyway.

You may get some shrooms; bacteria is not always total fail.

You aren't getting enough FAE though either and that will make it worse. All I see are tiny holes stuffed with poly, top and lid. This won't give you adequate FAE. At least take the poly out of the top holes. For your next grow, tape over those holes and make a better mono with larger holes in the right places.



Okey i Will take away the poly from the top, can i take a fan or something to blow fresh Air in? Or maybe just take the lid and fan 5times a day or something?

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Booooooooom]
    #23349605 - 06/16/16 02:23 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Looks bacterial. Using spawn that wasn't 100% would go along way to explain why. Just ditching the uncolonized part doesn't solve it and it was probably bacterial anyway.

You may get some shrooms; bacteria is not always total fail.

You aren't getting enough FAE though either and that will make it worse. All I see are tiny holes stuffed with poly, top and lid. This won't give you adequate FAE. At least take the poly out of the top holes. For your next grow, tape over those holes and make a better mono with larger holes in the right places.




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Op, I think you will be okay. Those pics don't look too bad. Mist introduce alot of fae and you should see some action soon.



How many Times a day do you think i should do it?
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Looks bacterial. Using spawn that wasn't 100% would go along way to explain why. Just ditching the uncolonized part doesn't solve it and it was probably bacterial anyway.

You may get some shrooms; bacteria is not always total fail.

You aren't getting enough FAE though either and that will make it worse. All I see are tiny holes stuffed with poly, top and lid. This won't give you adequate FAE. At least take the poly out of the top holes. For your next grow, tape over those holes and make a better mono with larger holes in the right places.



Okey i Will take away the poly from the top, can i take a fan or something to blow fresh Air in? Or maybe just take the lid and fan 5times a day or something?




Fanning is not a substitute for FAE. Both are different things that serve a different purpose. Monotubs do not need to be fanned if they are dialed in properly. As for the fan, first you should see if you can get the conditions good enough without one. Remove the poly and if you still have FAE problems, then you should try the fan.

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23349866 - 06/16/16 05:49 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

When you say remove poly you mean remove all of the polyfill from every side?

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    #23349994 - 06/16/16 07:15 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23350742 - 06/16/16 11:34 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Try removing the poly in the top holes first and see if that gives you more FAE, you should be able to tell within about 24 hours.Then, if not, the bottom holes can be removed. The bottom holes are high enough that you shouldn't have any issues with dry spots on the sub.


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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23354055 - 06/17/16 09:02 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Today some very small penis shaped fluffy stuff appeared above the white colonized parts. Does this mean shrooms will grow soon?

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Booooooooom]
    #23354131 - 06/17/16 09:25 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Perception7]
    #23354456 - 06/17/16 11:20 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Booooooooom]
    #23354509 - 06/17/16 11:40 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Is this a properly colonized substrate it looks like it has to much mycelium and I read that you should to put the casing in fruiting as sson as the first spots of mycelium is introduced to the surface of the soil so that is bothering me all the time,this is all white,it looks like a cake almost


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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23354543 - 06/17/16 11:49 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Did you follow a certain monotub tek? Your holes look very very small in the pics and have strange placement IMO. The two main triggers for pinning is EVAPORATION and FAE. Your tub looks properly colonized and dialed in though.

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: GIjoe420]
    #23354920 - 06/17/16 02:06 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Is this a properly colonized substrate it looks like it has to much mycelium and I read that you should to put the casing in fruiting as sson as the first spots of mycelium is introduced to the surface of the soil so that is bothering me all the time,this is all white,it looks like a cake almost



It was put in fruting as soon as it colonized the whole tub.

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Did you follow a certain monotub tek? Your holes look very very small in the pics and have strange placement IMO. The two main triggers for pinning is EVAPORATION and FAE. Your tub looks properly colonized and dialed in though.




Did not follow any tek i just made 3 Holes on each side in the middle and two holes on the side. The holes are about 1cm and the tub is located near a open window so i get constant air.

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Booooooooom]
    #23354945 - 06/17/16 02:16 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Did not follow any tek i just made 3 Holes on each side in the middle and two holes on the side. The holes are about 1cm and the tub is located near a open window so i get constant air.




You should try to breathe from a 1cm hole that has a fan blowing on the other side, then come and tell me if you could breathe properly. :shrug:

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23355084 - 06/17/16 03:11 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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You should try to breathe from a 1cm hole that has a fan blowing on the other side, then come and tell me if you could breathe properly. :shrug:



Haha very funny. I know the holes are too small I don't know what to do? I removed the poly from the top lid.  What more can I do?

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23355827 - 06/17/16 07:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Easy solution man. Make the holes bigger. 3/4 in should get you there. Buy a hole saw or  if you are particular and like things easy like me but if you are good with a knife and short on cash just rough the cut in there. 2 on each long side just a hair over your wanted substrate depth (3-3 1/2 inches) and one on each short side towards the top. Tape up the other holes you have. Stuff the polyfill as tight as possible on the bottom holes and loose as a goose on the top. It's not too late to save the grow and if it is just chalk it up as a good learning experience.

On a side note you should at least read and check out the many TEKs and resources that are available on this wonderful site. That way you can learn from others mistakes and not your own.  :biggrin:

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: GIjoe420]
    #23356546 - 06/18/16 01:40 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

1½" holes are great for monotubs, I wouldn't go any smaller unless I was making a mini mono, in which case a 1" hole works good as well.

If you don't want to disturb the substrate with all the vibrations that a drill makes, use a hot knife or a solder to melt the holes. I use a solder for all my holes, I always crack them with drills.

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23356677 - 06/18/16 03:04 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Today 2 pins popped up. Do i still need to make the holes?

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Booooooooom]
    #23356717 - 06/18/16 03:41 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

If you want healthy shrooms and a good pinset, yes.

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Booooooooom]
    #23356729 - 06/18/16 03:48 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I would still make the holes for sure. Besides the high RH and poor FAE that you'll have to deal with, having better FAE will result in better evaporation of the sub which is a pinning trigger, and will lead to a better more even pinset.

Just as an example, I have 1" holes on my monotub, and I can't wait till it's done so I can drill them larger. Even with the polyfil removed from my top holes, and very lightly stuffed poly in the bottom, my 2nd flush has very fuzzy feet.


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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Captcrunch90]
    #23356731 - 06/18/16 03:51 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You know you don't have to stuff the bottom holes tight if your hole size is smaller right? There's actually many cultivators who use small bottom and top holes with no poly at all. I usually always have the top holes unstuffed


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    #23356736 - 06/18/16 03:54 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Don't think it will help much in OP's case though, he has like ½" holes.

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    #23356742 - 06/18/16 04:01 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Lol I'm over here thinking yeah I could make that work. I'd just have the holes unstuffed. But could he? :shrug: I think he should tape the holes up and redrill/remelt proper top and bottom holes.


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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Mad Season]
    #23356751 - 06/18/16 04:08 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, he should widen them bitches up with a hot knife/soldering iron. We remove poly even when using 1&1/2" holes to get more FAE in, that hole size is just gonna be a pain.

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23356775 - 06/18/16 04:32 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

i made the bottom holes 3-4x larger, its now about 3cm long holes. I didnt want to make more as plastics where flying all over the place i even had to remove a piece from the substrate with sterlized tweezers. So i wouldent even dare to cut the top ones as they would surely fall down o the substrate. Im starting to see pins on the sides put not much in the middle.


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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Booooooooom]
    #23356782 - 06/18/16 04:40 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

That's why I recommended that you melt the holes instead. At any rate, ~1" holes are much better and very possibly good enough. Just stuff them very loose or remove the poly altogether. And I do mean very loose.

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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23357517 - 06/18/16 10:21 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Check this thread for ideas on monotub dialing in:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777


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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Perception7]
    #23359967 - 06/19/16 06:04 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

This is how it looks now, though some shrooms are growing invertedly, dont know if thats normal. Should i mist the walls everyday or tape a thermometer?


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Re: Contaminated monotub [Re: Booooooooom]
    #23360333 - 06/19/16 09:51 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't mist unless the substrate looks like it's getting dry. And not the walls, mist the substrate itself, your pins will be fine as long as you don't drown them and leave puddles. You want your sub to be glistening with water droplets.

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