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Testosterone supplements
    #23346666 - 06/15/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

About a month ago I started taking a "Testosterone Catalyst" called "Mr. T".

I take four pills a day before my workouts for three months (three bottles, I bottle = 1 month supply)

I wasn't sure how much to really expect, but was quite surprised to see that after being plateaued for what seems like forever (working out hours a day but not making any real muscle gains) my muscles rapidly began increasing in size and definition.

In particular my arms got rapidly larger, and that was the one area I most wanted to improve on.

My wife was shocked by how rapidly and significantly they had changed.

I got the supplement at GNC. I remember recently hearing Joe Rogan say many supplements sold at GNC are actually steroids.

The ingredient that I think has the biggest impact is the "Steroidal Extract of Tribulus" which basically is a natural steroid derived from a herb.

I have also noticed great increases in my strength and energy during workouts, although this could be placebo.

My wife and I held a cabin party recently and several of our friends who have known me all my life commented on how muscular I had become, and I was  already fairly ripped, but now I am finally making further gains.

Here is a list of the ingredients:



My purpose in making this thread was simply to tip you guys off that from my experience at least, this stuff actually WORKS and is worth the considerable price tag.

The thing is, I am now 29. A male reaches his physical peak at 26 and then begins a long decline. A large part of this decline is caused by testosterone levels decreasing with age.

Resistance workouts (lifting weights) are one of the most important ways to slow aging.

So to my mind now that I am nearing 30, the time is right to begin testosterone supplementation.

The product is called Mr. T by Athletic Alliance.

Its herbal and non prescription and certified free of banned substances or drugs.

I don't work for them or anything like that, I just stopped in a GNC and this was the product the salesperson recommended.

I figured it was worth a shot and wasnt expecting much.

The crazy thing was even without working out much I started to get bigger, and when I started hitting the gym it accelerated.

Just wanted to share that for anyone else looking to gain muscle or slow aging.

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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23346699 - 06/15/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds good. I'm going to check it out this weekend.

Before/After pics (or it didn't happen, tehehhe)


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: plasma]
    #23346724 - 06/15/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Im curious..

So its not some anabolic steroid that slipped passed the FDA and landed on GNC's shelf?

I took a cycle of Pro Growth Hormones and that shit was practically steroids and I got it right from a vitamin/supplement shop.  It ended up fucking me up and making me sick im pretty sure.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: plasma]
    #23346757 - 06/15/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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plasma said:
Sounds good. I'm going to check it out this weekend.

Before/After pics (or it didn't happen, tehehhe)




Ok here is before pics:





And here is from today after 1 month (1 third of the way through the recommended 3 bottle cycle)







I will post after pics after 2 and 3 months, and ill get my wife to take some pics so I dont have to hold the camera

Sort of hard to see the gains in these pics :shrug:


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23346766 - 06/15/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I see results. I'll give it a try. How much is a bottle

How much commission do you get if I purchase?


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: plasma]
    #23346777 - 06/15/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Its expensive... I think you can get it for like 70 bucks for a month supply and the recommended cycle is three months consecutive use...

I get no commission :lol:


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23346786 - 06/15/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:

I get no commission



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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23346804 - 06/15/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

See my whole hunch with these is I wonder what the side effects of these random chems are

for example, I took modafinil daily and thought I was benefitting, only to realize that I was fucking up my sleep and digging myself into a long term sleep debt. The pros of modafinil quickly outweigh the cons. It did what it was meant to do; increase focus, but had a slew of random ass side effects that basically negated the list of pros long term

Similalry, WTF is in horny goat weed? And by what biochemical process does promote muscle growth


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: topdog82] * 2
    #23346854 - 06/15/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know man, I've heard a lot of these testosterone supplements are complete placebo - more or less. To a point that is. If there is very real growth, perhaps it has more to do with your natural growth because of all the work you have been putting in, as opposed to any effect of a testosterone supplement. Or rather, perhaps the supplement has an anabolic steroid in it that you are not aware of that differs from the testosterone itself?

I've read you can get a limited amount of growth with extremely high doses, but that those doses aren't typically found in supplements, and that it can often be mixed with stuff that is terrible for the liver in the long run. Not really bashing it or anything though, I could be wrong. I've just been turned off to the idea of testosterone supplements through all the research on them.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: topdog82]
    #23346870 - 06/15/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well you have to consider the specific supplement. If you check it out, this one is all natural, just herbal stuff and vitamins, no "random chems".

You can read up on how each component works:

http://www.athleticalliance.net/mr-t?route=product/mrt


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23346991 - 06/15/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

5-HTP and Strychnine come from herbs. Did you hear of the recent 5-HTP findings?


But that supplement may be fine.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Bozko]
    #23347130 - 06/15/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I experimented with Androstene back when it was legal (implicated with Mark McGwire's home runs) and I gained 15 lbs in a month at a time when I was already lifting and eating and not gaining any weight. I had these pills that dissolved in your mouth and I felt amped after I took them like I could work out for hours. Have no idea if it leads to health problems, I quit taking it because I wasn't willing to pay the money for it.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23347173 - 06/15/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It's all junk crap now.  If it had testosterone or even a precursor to testosterone it would be illegal and not be on shelves in a store.

Up until 2005 it was legal for precursors and near the end they also started actual steroids basically as research chemicals.

If you want to get fucking HUGE fast, research Superdrol and find some on ebay,,, or just get the real thing and stop wasting your money.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: RobZombie68]
    #23347194 - 06/15/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It seems like the benefits of this supplement are more in enhancing energy, reducing stress, increasing libido, improving mood, and mildly tweaking the balance of hormones away from estrogen and towards testosterone.

One thing that makes me thing it is actually increasing testosterone is that not only did I notice accelerated muscle growth, I also experienced a worsening of acne on my thighs.

Not a good thing obviously, but more acne is associated with testosterone increase. Fortunately its not anywhere visible.

A lot of the supplement is like a nutritional supplement- I have a friend who has been telling me how important zinc is for men as they ejaculate it with every load.

And a lot of it is adaptogens that increase resistance to stress and thereby reduce fatigue.

Its not a steroid or going to be anywhere remotely close to HGH, TRT, Anabolics etc.

But im not looking to go that far. This product at least seems safe and im comfortable with its ingredients.

To be honest i wasnt expecting much (I take many supplements and rarely notice any obvious results) and this product has already exceeded my expectations.

I think what this does do is give me more motivation and energy for my workouts, which translates to more results.

And In a funny way paying so much for the supplement motivates me to put in more effort so its not wasted :lol:


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: RobZombie68]
    #23347235 - 06/15/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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It's all junk crap now.  If it had testosterone or even a precursor to testosterone it would be illegal and not be on shelves in a store.

Up until 2005 it was legal for precursors and near the end they also started actual steroids basically as research chemicals.

If you want to get fucking HUGE fast, research Superdrol and find some on ebay,,, or just get the real thing and stop wasting your money.






Dis. If it actually worked it would be illegal.

Same way diet supplements aren't miracle pills to shed weight without working out and a change of diet. If they actually worked there would be no fat people because doctors would prescribe the pills. Instead obesity rates hit new highs every damn year.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23347283 - 06/15/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Tribulus is good for about a week. Your body will adjust to it, and you'll suffer a big testosterone deficit for a while after you quit taking it. Theres no such thing as a biological free lunch.

The best off the shelf supplement ive found is cordyceps mushroom, but it's more of a cardio thing.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Sticky Green]
    #23347303 - 06/15/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

maca powder and horny goat weed is some serious libido boosting stuff

herbs and plants are potent


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: thelanzii]
    #23347307 - 06/15/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Superdrol ftw


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #23347321 - 06/15/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't know man, I've heard a lot of these testosterone supplements are complete placebo - more or less. To a point that is. If there is very real growth, perhaps it has more to do with your natural growth because of all the work you have been putting in, as opposed to any effect of a testosterone supplement. Or rather, perhaps the supplement has an anabolic steroid in it that you are not aware of that differs from the testosterone itself?

I've read you can get a limited amount of growth with extremely high doses, but that those doses aren't typically found in supplements, and that it can often be mixed with stuff that is terrible for the liver in the long run. Not really bashing it or anything though, I could be wrong. I've just been turned off to the idea of testosterone supplements through all the research on them.




Some of it has some scientific legitimacy

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3863556/

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Forty-six male patients with oligospermia (sperm count < 20 million/mL semen) were enrolled and randomized either to treatment (n = 21) with a full-spectrum root extract of Ashwagandha (675 mg/d in three doses for 90 days) or to placebo (n = 25) in the same protocol. Semen parameters and serum hormone levels were estimated at the end of 90-day treatment. There was a 167% increase in sperm count (9.59 ± 4.37 × 106/mL to 25.61 ± 8.6 × 106/mL; P < 0.0001), 53% increase in semen volume (1.74 ± 0.58 mL to 2.76 ± 0.60 mL; P < 0.0001), and 57% increase in sperm motility (18.62 ± 6.11% to 29.19 ± 6.31%; P < 0.0001) on day 90 from baseline. The improvement in these parameters was minimal in the placebo-treated group.




There was also a noted increase in testosterone levels in the ashwagandha test group



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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: plasma]
    #23347354 - 06/15/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

TF? contains horny goat weed  :barbershreds:

sounds great :drinkndrive:


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #23347373 - 06/15/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

just looked at the ingredient list. Looks fairly safe. As you said, perhaps the supps contain legit anabolics in low amounts

So I understand it, supps can literally contain anything as they are not really regulated. But assuming it is what it says it is (most likely) it looks safe. Really just vitamins and herbs

Just because it is an herb does not mean its safe. Maca gave me some seriously wierd side effects for some reason. Just saying

Also; just looked up superdrol. I didn't know research steroids existed. Thats a cool concept. I hope it is still legal in about 10-20 years. I plan on hoping on TRT when I am like 40. I can prolly get it from a doctor but worst case I could get it via superdrol

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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: topdog82]
    #23347411 - 06/15/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Knowing GNC other sources are likely considerably cheaper.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: dixienormous]
    #23347420 - 06/15/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Watch out for ball cancer. Check the studies and reports of ball cancer caused by those and related supplements.

Testicular that is.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: trees]
    #23347428 - 06/15/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not aware of any such studies can you link some please ?


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23347436 - 06/15/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

the horny goat weed will counter react the cancerous effects


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #23347443 - 06/15/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Just google "testicular cancer supplements"

Not sayin I think they CAUSE it but if there's any talk of that with any substance, then I pretty much choose not to use it. Excluding marijuana and life in general.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: trees]
    #23347561 - 06/15/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Your not making any sense.

Show me one scrap of evidence any of the ingredients in this supplement have in any way been associated with testicular cancer.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23347628 - 06/15/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Your not making any sense.

Show me one scrap of evidence any of the ingredients in this supplement have in any way been associated with testicular cancer.




I have a close friend taking chemo right now for testicular cancer. he's 36 yrs old, juiced to the gills, and works out like a madman. I know its not factual but if you ask him, he'll tell you it was all the shit hes put into his body over the years.

Good enough for me.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Ahab McBathsalts] * 1
    #23347638 - 06/15/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Ahab McBathsalts said:



Dis. If it actually worked it would be illegal.





Perhaps. However, its possible a dietary supplement may go un-noticed. The products aren't reviewed or approved before marketing.

GNC has made a fortune marketing placebos.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: badchad]
    #23347668 - 06/15/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Besides, being ripped and buff is overrated.

It's like, what are you gonna do with your hunking ass body anyway? Lift washing machines with relative ease?

I've known dudes who got ripped cus they thought they'd get laid more, well they got ripped and still aren't getting laid.

Then I see dudes who go ham on getting ripped, spending money time effort. Then they loose it all in a few months of taking it easy.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: trees]
    #23347678 - 06/15/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

recreation. It's great for stress relief, healthy alternative to getting high all the time


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: trees]
    #23347721 - 06/15/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Besides, being ripped and buff is overrated.

It's like, what are you gonna do with your hunking ass body anyway? Lift washing machines with relative ease?

I've known dudes who got ripped cus they thought they'd get laid more, well they got ripped and still aren't getting laid.

Then I see dudes who go ham on getting ripped, spending money time effort. Then they loose it all in a few months of taking it easy.



I think its a nice confidence boost. There's nice health benefits

I just wanna not be fat, not have back problems and issues of mobility in old age, and be strong

Being large or sub 10% bodyfat year round is stupid. I do yoga about 4 times a week and try and strength train 3 times a week. I feel good. I am not even that large. I obviously look like I lift but its not that noticable. I have achieved those three goals


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: trees]
    #23348379 - 06/15/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Besides, being ripped and buff is overrated.

It's like, what are you gonna do with your hunking ass body anyway? Lift washing machines with relative ease?

I've known dudes who got ripped cus they thought they'd get laid more, well they got ripped and still aren't getting laid.

Then I see dudes who go ham on getting ripped, spending money time effort. Then they loose it all in a few months of taking it easy.




Lifting weights is fun. It's a good hobby to help stay in shape and make yourself stronger in the process.  It takes a lot of time and dedication to get results, it isn't just about getting laid.

As for the supplements, I wouldn't trust that anything was legit without some type of studies either showing it is a testosterone prodrug or that it was actually active.  99% of the stuff on the market is bunk, why trust it?  It isn't like they are required to do any testing to show efficiency.  GNC isn't exactly a reputable company, and the Internet isn't exactly a good source of information considering there are thousands of shills online and many more people that see results because of the lifting rather than the supplements.  Just my opinion though.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23348628 - 06/15/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You ever fuck with Shilajit?

I got a sample of it a while ago; it is a cornerstone of Ayurveda.

It increases testosterone by ~20% and I noticed impressive, rapid muscle gains while using it.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: flickedbic]
    #23348725 - 06/15/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Very interesting i will look into that for sure, never came across it before!

@whoever's buddy got testicular cancer- was he taking any of the things that are ingredients in this supplement? If not it has no relevance to this at all.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23348763 - 06/15/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Certain ones work in for small results. They are good for what it seems OP used them for cutting up/more definition even though op didn't need to cut up. You look like one of those dudes who was born with a visible 6 pack.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23349018 - 06/15/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Well you have to consider the specific supplement. If you check it out, this one is all natural, just herbal stuff and vitamins, no "random chems".





I literally almost died from a heart attack on an 'all natural' herb. It was Ma Huang from which ephedra/ephedrine is extracted. I took one capsule and did cardio 8 hours later. My heart rate shot up to about 225 BPM and would not come down for 20 minutes after stopping my work out.

Many toxic substances are 'all natural' - that is not a selling point for safety.

As to Tribulis, testing again and again has come back with little to no effects. The vitamins and zinc will only help if you have an insufficient diet.

In you original post you alluded to working out many hours per day. I would surmise that this (overtraining) is what is holding you back from growth. 15 to 20 minutes per day of high intensity lifting is more than sufficient to stimulate hypertrophy.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23349068 - 06/15/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah extracts and stims aren't worth the risk, I just use whey and betaine and I'm getting similar gains.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Middleman]
    #23349111 - 06/15/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)



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    #23349137 - 06/15/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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About a month ago I started taking a "Testosterone Catalyst" called "Mr. T".

I take four pills a day before my workouts for three months (three bottles, I bottle = 1 month supply)

I wasn't sure how much to really expect, but was quite surprised to see that after being plateaued for what seems like forever (working out hours a day but not making any real muscle gains) my muscles rapidly began increasing in size and definition.

In particular my arms got rapidly larger, and that was the one area I most wanted to improve on.

My wife was shocked by how rapidly and significantly they had changed.

I got the supplement at GNC. I remember recently hearing Joe Rogan say many supplements sold at GNC are actually steroids.

The ingredient that I think has the biggest impact is the "Steroidal Extract of Tribulus" which basically is a natural steroid derived from a herb.

I have also noticed great increases in my strength and energy during workouts, although this could be placebo.

My wife and I held a cabin party recently and several of our friends who have known me all my life commented on how muscular I had become, and I was  already fairly ripped, but now I am finally making further gains.

Here is a list of the ingredients:



My purpose in making this thread was simply to tip you guys off that from my experience at least, this stuff actually WORKS and is worth the considerable price tag.

The thing is, I am now 29. A male reaches his physical peak at 26 and then begins a long decline. A large part of this decline is caused by testosterone levels decreasing with age.

Resistance workouts (lifting weights) are one of the most important ways to slow aging.

So to my mind now that I am nearing 30, the time is right to begin testosterone supplementation.

The product is called Mr. T by Athletic Alliance.

Its herbal and non prescription and certified free of banned substances or drugs.

I don't work for them or anything like that, I just stopped in a GNC and this was the product the salesperson recommended.

I figured it was worth a shot and wasnt expecting much.

The crazy thing was even without working out much I started to get bigger, and when I started hitting the gym it accelerated.

Just wanted to share that for anyone else looking to gain muscle or slow aging.

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Thanks for the tip. Im 36 and feel like a shit. Maybe i need this. :awethumb:


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Bozko]
    #23349147 - 06/15/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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5-HTP and Strychnine come from herbs. Did you hear of the recent 5-HTP findings?





I take 5-htp for a week before and after a trip. What findings?


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23349155 - 06/15/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The only way I am going to get bigger in my arms, or anywhere really, is if I get off my damn road bike, shit waste me away rapidly even when eating like a beast everyday.

But I am early 30's now, and someone on here mentioned leg workouts releasing testosterone, anyone know anything about this?  I will say my experience with this, when I cycle hard I will grow a lot of facial hair that night, like my body was releasing lots of test.


So far though I have a great amount of energy still, so that's a plus.  No "low T" for me yet.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #23349218 - 06/15/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Dead lifts. Look it up. Dead lifts will yolk your entire body and put on mass quicker than any other free-weight exercise. This is all connected to testosterone levels.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #23349239 - 06/15/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

All depends on how much the dead person weighs...


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23349244 - 06/15/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Also; squats are a better movement than deadlifts. Obviously it's better to do both. But if I had to chose one it would be squat by miles


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: topdog82]
    #23349272 - 06/15/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Squats are more difficult to build with at home. You need an entire apparatus for proper squats. And theyre more dangerous


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23349306 - 06/15/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

What is a "receptor accelerator"?


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: ferrel_human] * 1
    #23349669 - 06/16/16 02:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Thanks for the tip. Im 36 and feel like a shit. Maybe i need this. :awethumb:




If your T is low DAA, Zinc Citrate, and high-dose D3 will bring you up to baseline for like $10.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: topdog82]
    #23349774 - 06/16/16 04:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Also; squats are a better movement than deadlifts. Obviously it's better to do both. But if I had to chose one it would be squat by miles




Squat's don't build grip strength a whole lot. I prefer dead lifts and power cleans to squats but thats me. power cleans, anyone that thinks they have low test should look into cleans and deads


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Mescalean]
    #23349790 - 06/16/16 04:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

DAA is pretty good too. I can't say for sure it boosted test in be but there was definitely more intensity especially on my explosive lifts like kettle bells(easy for those of you in small spaces on a budget!!!)/power cleans.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23349952 - 06/16/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Oh this is good stuff, there's no need for this to be EXPENSIVE though, so look for similar knockoffs.

Let me give a tip of my own:

THIS SUPPLEMENT

It combines Vitamins, minerals,exotic nutritional and herbal ingredients, all in a VERY well balanced mix, all in the best forms and in some cases several forms of the same vitamin for proper absorption.

You can but the 180 TABS jar for $30 if you shop right. You need 1-2 of them a day, I highly recommend one at breakfast and one at dinner as the default, or as a budget version just one at breakfast.

2 tabs = $10 a month, budget = $5 a month.

The best tenner you spent on nutrition & food ALL MONTH.

Most people who start taking 2 of these start feeling better and better for weeks and then staying in their improved health and wellbeing. Its GOOD.


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    #23350112 - 06/16/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Middleman, your avatar really creeps me out.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23350677 - 06/16/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I mean I don't want to get into a whole argument here. Its really preference. But imagine one had to do the basic 5x5 program. Would you rather cut out deadlifts from that program? Or the squats? the squats gave me so much damn core strength. Deadlifts did too

Keep in mind I came from pushups, pullups etc. into 5x5. At least for me, and just speaking for me, squatting thrice a week was hard at first but helped me gain sooooo much strength when I got into wieghts. You recover quicker from squats too. I forget why. I think the user prepH could fill us in here, but there is some reasoning/biomechanics behind it

Imagine deadlifting thrice a week? Seems silly. I have done soooo many different arrangements of different programs and switched it up myself. Written programs for myself, catered to my goals etc. All I gotta say is squatting 2-3 times a week has always been a staple and must have for me. At least twice a week. Usually heavy. Its honestly the king of hypertrophy movements

And more specifically, back ssquats>front squats> pistols squats

If someone held a gun to my head and forced me to choose between squats and deadlifts forever, I would choose squats. Hands down. By miles. and I think any sane adult in the gym would do the same

That being said, squats take more equipment. and ya I guess they are more dangerous. I think with that in mind, I may move into the 8 rep range, not the 5 rep range for lower body. Just to be "safe".

I don't wanna come off as close minded, I just don't see where you guys are coming from.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23351851 - 06/16/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Middleman, your avatar really creeps me out.




That would be your issue, not mine. :sun:


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23351894 - 06/16/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

According to many studies and papers it is a complete placebo in regards to building muscle and increasing testosterone. :shrug:


It has been shown to enhance libido and that's about it


https://examine.com/supplements/tribulus-terrestris/


But you are getting results for what you want and that's all that matters.  Looking good man


Look into D-aspartic acid (daa), clear muscle(name brand of a chemical I can't remember) and creatine.  the first two have been shown to increase testosterone slightly

While creatine doesn't, it is a proven supplement that can help you push a little harder, breakdown more muscle and therefor grow more


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Masked]
    #23351913 - 06/16/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I've considered banging creatine


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Masked]
    #23351915 - 06/16/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hell with GNC you might as well buy real test. For what u pay there


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    #23351953 - 06/16/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Hell with GNC you might as well buy real test. For what u pay there



That's what I'm saying.

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    #23351964 - 06/16/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I mean I don't want to get into a whole argument here. Its really preference. But imagine one had to do the basic 5x5 program. Would you rather cut out deadlifts from that program? Or the squats? the squats gave me so much damn core strength. Deadlifts did too

Keep in mind I came from pushups, pullups etc. into 5x5. At least for me, and just speaking for me, squatting thrice a week was hard at first but helped me gain sooooo much strength when I got into wieghts. You recover quicker from squats too. I forget why. I think the user prepH could fill us in here, but there is some reasoning/biomechanics behind it

Imagine deadlifting thrice a week? Seems silly. I have done soooo many different arrangements of different programs and switched it up myself. Written programs for myself, catered to my goals etc. All I gotta say is squatting 2-3 times a week has always been a staple and must have for me. At least twice a week. Usually heavy. Its honestly the king of hypertrophy movements

And more specifically, back ssquats>front squats> pistols squats

If someone held a gun to my head and forced me to choose between squats and deadlifts forever, I would choose squats. Hands down. By miles. and I think any sane adult in the gym would do the same

That being said, squats take more equipment. and ya I guess they are more dangerous. I think with that in mind, I may move into the 8 rep range, not the 5 rep range for lower body. Just to be "safe".

I don't wanna come off as close minded, I just don't see where you guys are coming from.




Your CNS just recovers faster froms squats, deadlift is literally a full body workout. While it comes down to preference it also comes down to function too. I can relate it to when I played football. Squats helped just plane old leg strength don't get me wrong. But when we started getting heavy into deadlifts and power cleans. I went from being able to bulldoze kids (just try and run over them) to grabbing them by the pads and ripping their whole center of gravity to the side to shoot the gap and make the sack. Grip strength is important as shit. And often the most overlooked. And while some may say "im never going to play football" grip strength is nice is physical altercations which some of us get in from time to time. When someone can't pry a single hand off their trachea there is usually that "deer in the headlights" look. What I'm saying is it is a more functional lift and often times people will not deadlift or powerclean do to difficulty/not want to try because of the difficulty. Loading a squat rack is easy. Lifting 300+ lbs for consistent reps while trying to keep your grip around it as much as possible. If you do deadlifts right and go heavy, your shins will bleed and sometimes your hands too. Power clean is even more difficult, deadlift but you have to thrust the bar into the air using your core strenth dip down and catch it at your collar bone and lift back up.


I also second the actual test prescription bit too, fuck GNC i worked for them in the past, besides DAA supps their test products are shit. Real testosterone is relatively harmless in the correct dosages(which will still garnish huge gains for you) and the problems only come when guys start thinking "more is better" and go crazy with the injections. Probably one of the largest drug groups with propaganda floating around it. "man fuck steroids they'll fuck my heart" yet going out and drinking while bumping coke is cool.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Middleman]
    #23353314 - 06/17/16 01:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You're probably in the clear.


It's been linked to heart palpitations. Google it. I take it in a similar way as you, but I think people who take it daily should watch it.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Masked] * 1
    #23354983 - 06/17/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

D aspartic acid is one of the ingredients in the supplement I'm taking. Tribulus is only one part of it.

Honestly I can't believe how awesome the results I'm getting are . Easily could have nothing to do with the supplement but my body has NEVER looked his big and jacked .

I am extremely pleased and seem to be making rapid gains. At this point I will be huge soon.

For my workouts I do - squats, deadlifts , chin ups, bench press, hanging leg lifts, bicep curl, push-ups , triceps pull downs, shoulder pull downs , seated row, and more .

Thanks for all the input people !

Given how amazing the results i am seeing are I am going to invest in one more bottle after this one.

I imagine being more disciplined at hitting the weights is the main thing but I'm almost positive this supplement is helping to some extent .

I also take a good protein powder and creatine as well :thumbup:


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23354996 - 06/17/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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D aspartic acid is one of the ingredients in the supplement I'm taking. Tribulus is only one part of it.

Honestly I can't believe how awesome the results I'm getting are . Easily could have nothing to do with the supplement but my body has NEVER looked his big and jacked .

I am extremely pleased and seem to be making rapid gains. At this point I will be huge soon.

For my workouts I do - squats, deadlifts , chin ups, bench press, hanging leg lifts, bicep curl, push-ups , triceps pull downs, shoulder pull downs , seated row, and more .

Thanks for all the input people !

Given how amazing the results i am seeing are I am going to invest in one more bottle after this one.

I imagine being more disciplined at hitting the weights is the main thing but I'm almost positive this supplement is helping to some extent .

I also take a good protein powder and creatine as well :thumbup:




Ahh that makes sense than. I might have to look into it man.  I've had good results with daa.  And this little cocktail you are taking might be working synergistically together from the sounds of your results :cool:

Congrats man!  Good results so far. You sound like you know what you are doing and definitely don't need any real advice or guidance :raisemyglass:

I will have to maybe give this supplement a try!


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Masked]
    #23355134 - 06/17/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Masked I've tried experimenting with combinations before its worth it, DAA with ZMA at night had me feeling like a silverback in the gym


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    #23355143 - 06/17/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah for sure, might have to :cheers:

I bought zma but stopped taking it when I realized no effects and realized that I was already putting those in my body via my vita stack multi vitamin (and even more than what's in zma)


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Masked]
    #23355187 - 06/17/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

oh dude if your all ready on a multi you should be good. I know tribulus is reported by some people. I noticed a bit more aggression and libido went way up, im talking the wind blows and im ready to go type of libido.

Boron is another one I've heard boosts test. I remember reading that broccoli actual contains a type of natural steroid type compound thats a precursor to male hormones.


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    #23355201 - 06/17/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I remember reading that broccoli actual contains a type of natural steroid type compound thats a precursor to male hormones.



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Quote:

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I remember reading that broccoli actual contains a type of natural steroid type compound thats a precursor to male hormones.



Popeye had it wrong this whole time. :strokebeard:




Acually no, prepared spinach as about half a gram per 100 gram of glycine betaine, which is used to make cattle put on muscle bulk.


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    #23355250 - 06/17/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Your thinking of tren for bulking up cattle buddy lololol


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    #23355282 - 06/17/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah boron Is one of the ingredients too. I've heard
It helps with strength and I have noticed that in the gym.

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    #23355399 - 06/17/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Your thinking of tren for bulking up cattle buddy lololol





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    #23355436 - 06/17/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Why not just run a cycle of test e. Get your labs done before during and after. You'll be fine and actually make gains for the money you spent. I mean if you opposed whatever, just a suggestion.


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    #23355483 - 06/17/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23355499 - 06/17/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Testosterone ethenate. usually ran solo as a beginner cycle.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Othyem]
    #23355512 - 06/17/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Must not be legal though right ?

Like you would need a prescription ?

I'm not comfortable tweaking my hormones in a serious way

For now the supplement I'm on is my speed - I'm sure the results will be a lot less but I feel safe with it


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    #23355530 - 06/17/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

No problem, just a suggestion. Yeah, you can order via the interwebs. Or get a script from anti-aging doctors.


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    #23355670 - 06/17/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hey sorry Asante I missed your post before thanks for the suggestion i will check into that for sure !


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23356028 - 06/17/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Enjoy the small testicles you're going to get, along with anxiety, mood swings like a woman on PMS, and the potential to develop water pockets on your heart and die young.

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:lol:

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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23357129 - 06/18/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Testosterone supplements are anabolic steroids and GNC is good at selling legal ones.

They offered me that stuff twice to which both times I said no.

Just work legs 3 times a week if you want more testosterone.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: JustForToday]
    #23357139 - 06/18/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

First of all, even the kind of testosterone supplements you are thinking of are NOT the same thing as anabolic steroids . Second what this thread is about is something totally different.

The OP makes it clear the product I am talking about is a mix of herbs and vitamins . It is neither an anabolic steroid nor is it testosterone , nor is there any research suggesting any of its ingredients are associated with any of the side effects you describe .

I am working legs three + times a week though :thumbup:


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: JustForToday]
    #23357785 - 06/18/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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But usually I only post on threads where I can at least add some useful discussion but usually I don't feel like I can.





Quick heads up...You definitely aren't adding anything useful to the discussion

I know you know how to use a stair master and do "prison shit" (when it comes to working out) , but just stop talking out your ass please

No one is denying that anabolic compounds have been found in supplements:

http://www.supplement411.org/hrl/


But when you say things like:

"Testosterone supplements ARE anabolic steroids"


...you just sound silly

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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Masked]
    #23357992 - 06/18/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I forgot masked, you hold the NASM certification like I do. And have trained people.

First of all, he just posted before and after pictures which shows extreme growth in a short period of time. I don't know any product that can cause such a mass gain even in that short of a period of time unless it was a steroid. I took serious mass which made me get so big but it took 7 months to put on 20 pounds of lean muscle. It was only a whey protein. On top of the 2000 calories per shake with whole milk, I was eating another 2000 calories on top of that.

Anytime I add any discussion to health and fitness related threads, you always have some jealously and resentment or something. Again, I look better, know more, have the results from 5 years of going from 300 to perfect body. Also studied NASM and have my certification and have trained athletes from local schools in broward.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: JustForToday]
    #23358053 - 06/18/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not sure if I would call it extreme growth , so far. I have put on maybe 5-6 pounds so far.

But this product contains no anabolic steroids whatsoever .


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: JustForToday] * 1
    #23358058 - 06/18/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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anytime I add any discussion to health and fitness related threads,




you never add to the discussion.  You just come off as a pompous twat waffle :cookiemonster:


case in point:

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Again, I look better,




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know more,




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have the results from 5 years of going from 300 to perfect body





regardless of your personal achievements, you will always fail at life, with attitudes like that.


while I applaud you for getting your fat off, I've had more results in the fitness world than you and could dance circles around you in any kind of fitness.  You and I both know it.

But I'm not here to throw my successes in your face.  That is something you enjoy attempting on the regular

What I came in here for was to point out where you sound silly and aren't adding to the discussion with your attitude.  Something you complained about in another thread.  I gave sound reason and even provided a link showing banned substances that have been found to have traces of anabolic steroids

Keep jamming your foot in your mouth and telling me and everyone how much you know and how perfect you are :rolleyes:


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Masked]
    #23358190 - 06/18/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Lol he ignored me after that post. 

Sigh, he is one odd one that's for sure


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23358242 - 06/18/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

But the crazy part is, you don't look like you gained any unhealthy calories at all. I had to gain then lose, but it looks like you just gained and your body fat % didnt even go up at all.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Masked]
    #23358392 - 06/18/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah Dance circles around him baby that will show him

But yeah I am very lucky when it comes to body fat - I can't put any on even if I try.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23358398 - 06/18/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Good luck Masked. You're on ignore. Go update my rating like I know you will cause you're whiny as fuck.

@Moonshoe, I would just suggest stop taking it altogether and just eat a shit load of carbs and calories, then when you're ready, cut your body fat %. Trust me, the real look looks better.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: JustForToday]
    #23358404 - 06/18/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23358537 - 06/18/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hard to tell if you are being sarcastic with me?

No doubt you are familiar with JFT, but me, him and a handful of other users have had so many ridiculous interactions with him, in regards to health and fitness specifically, that it's nearly impossible to not add all that context anytime he spews off on the subject now.  :shrug:

One example: He posted a blurb once randomly in the gym thread that basically said how all the workouts he was seeing was pussy shit and/or stupid.  He talked about how no one in the thread could do his workouts because it's brutal "prison shit".  In another sentence it was "navy seal shit".  He went on about how perfect he looks and how because he is about to get his trainer certification he is the best one in the thread.  :facepalm:


Where it gets even funnier tho is the next day, he makes a post talking about how he just had a hardcore stairmaster workout and proceeds to post a video of him on the stair master.  He talks it up how hard it is and how he does it with steep inclines...really trying to sell us on how hard it is. Lol

He has ZERO credibility on a good day outside this topic, but on this topic...he is purely a clown. 

My response would definitely have a vibe of all this context I explain, I will admit.  He does it to himself.  Strange little dude that one is


I'm jelly of your fat issues moonshoe. Haha. Wish I had that problem. 

You are doing awesome man.  I'll check back in when I've given this supplement a try too and let you know what it did for me :cheers:


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: JustForToday] * 1
    #23358620 - 06/18/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Dude I'm not taking anabolic steroids
It's like not only did you not read or understand the OP you also haven't read or understood any of the subsequent replies

Your talking about how "the real look" looks better but I Never took anabolic steroids or even discussed the idea of doing so.

What I have is "the real look" .

All my gains are just from protein powder, creatine and some herbs and vitamins.

I'm going to stop replying to you as you are evidently not paying any attention to anything I say and are just talking to yourself .


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    #23358627 - 06/18/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks bro :cheers:

No I wasn't trying to be sarcastic just I was visualizing someone actually literally dancing in circles around someone to prove a point and it made me chuckle that's all


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23358672 - 06/18/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: I dig it

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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23358683 - 06/18/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

But if you gain nothing but muscle and no body fat %, something is not right.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: JustForToday]
    #23358791 - 06/18/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Something like what?

My entire life I have had minimal / no body fat no matter what I eat.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23358943 - 06/18/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Something like what?

My entire life I have had minimal / no body fat no matter what I eat.




Well, technically speaking, if you're on a gain diet, which means, if you're taking in a crapload of calories, whey protein, your body fat is going to go up. This is how it usually works. Cutting comes next. I always used to ask, is there anyway to gain without gaining body fat %? I always got the answer, you can only do one or the other, either gain or lose. So if you're able to gain and maintain your same body fat%, something is wrong.

I see in your pictures straight gain cutting!

It's what wrestlers do and movie stars. They don't have time to gain weight and cut because it takes forever. So of course we all know they take steroids, legal or not it does not matter.


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: JustForToday]
    #23359365 - 06/18/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

addicts have intellectual pride, like to think they are always rights, are egomaniacs with inferiority complex's hence his need to claim how perfect he looks

maca powder isn't roids lol


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: thelanzii]
    #23360330 - 06/19/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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addicts have intellectual pride, like to think they are always rights, are egomaniacs with inferiority complex's hence his need to claim how perfect he looks

maca powder isn't roids lol




Even if technically it isn't a steroid, it would seem to act the same way a regular anabolic steroid. What your problem is you're probably also an addict, so you're just rationalizing to make it seem okay.:shrug:


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23360392 - 06/19/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah they work good but don't get greedy. Whys there only one liver? :boo:


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: JustForToday]
    #23360660 - 06/19/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well there are always exceptions to every rule . My metabolism is straight crazy .  I eat a high fat high protein diet and aim for maximum calories but I gain straight muscle no body fat. I literally have never gained a tiny scrap of body fat in my life no matter what I eat .

The supplement I am taking is supposed to help gain muscle but it is in no way an anabolic steroid .

I wouldn't say anything is "wrong" if anything what you are saying just supports what my OP said - this is a surprisingly effective supplement .

If it manages to have steroid like benefits while being totally free of any steroids then I say that's awesome and exactly what I want.

Unless there is some harm or side effect there is nothing "wrong " - gaining shredded muscle steroid free is exactly  The point !

But I have always had this insane metabolism long before I ever started taking this supplement .

I have Always been able to eat whatever I want without gaining any body fat .


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Re: Testosterone supplements [Re: JustForToday]
    #23360813 - 06/19/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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addicts have intellectual pride, like to think they are always rights, are egomaniacs with inferiority complex's hence his need to claim how perfect he looks

maca powder isn't roids lol




Even if technically it isn't a steroid, it would seem to act the same way a regular anabolic steroid. What your problem is you're probably also an addict, so you're just rationalizing to make it seem okay.:shrug:




im not telling anyone how to live their lives, fuck if i care if someone takes herbs or roids

you think tribulus terrestis is a roid? lol


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