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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: Konyap]
    #23347662 - 06/15/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, I didn't get what you meant by whitewashing. Yeah, you're right. I guess it's a bit different with folk songs, but even then musicians who aren't dickheads credit them as "Traditional, arranged by..." rather than making it seem like they wrote them.

I think Eric Clapton, despite his later racist outbursts, personally made sure that living musicians whose songs he used got their royalties even if they were living piss poor in some obscure part of the rural South and could never have done anything if he'd fucked them over.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: whattaf] * 1
    #23347672 - 06/15/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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stealing songs from black people is something mainstream does and prospers doing.




Now adays that is done mostly via sampling and people actually get the credit they deserve...



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The notion that one can have exclusive ownership a given sequence of sound waves and that reproducing it should be outlawed is preposterous beyond belief, and anyone who perpetuates this notion or agrees with it need to cease all their activity on this planet until they regain sanity. For the sake of everyone. :facepalm:

Jeez.




That is a huge dramatization...  Its not about owning the music its about owning up to the fact you were "inspired" by or borrowed from older music.

Look at it this way, tons of people do covers and its fine. But when you cover an old obscure song and don't give credit people think you wrote it and that's plagiarism and is the opposite of what creativity and music is all about... Even worse is just borrowing part of a song and trying to hide in amongst your own work like Zeppelin has done here and in many other tunes.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: musiclover420]
    #23347687 - 06/15/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly.

People get insanely defensive about Led Zeppelin and Bob Dylan and a lot of people who do this. It's disappointing when you find out a musician you like is a bit of a dickhead thief, but it doesn't mean you have to stop listening to them. Unless you find the original songs and they're way, way better.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23347749 - 06/15/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I think its pretty funny people get so defensive around stuff like this, they tend to take it so personally.

I love when I hear a musician borrow a riff from a classic tune though usually it is really a homage to the greats.

It's very disappointing especially when people purposefully re arrange parts to make it sound different/ more original.

I would love to do my own takes on some classic songs but no matter how much I re arranged them I would still list it as a cover.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: musiclover420]
    #23347827 - 06/15/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Arranging harp pieces for guitar is pretty triumphant. I used to be relatively good at that. The big man Beethoven himself always gave credit when he was doing an arrangement and not an original piece.

I think people get more angry about Bob Dylan's plagiarism than Led Zeppelin's. Maybe cause they think he's a civil rights hero or something. I've made people really flip out just by playing them folk songs that he clearly ripped. FOOLS.

I think Jimmy Page was probably the driving force behind the theft since he was already doing it in the Yardbirds. "White Summer" is Davy Graham's exact arrangement of "She moved through the fair" and he doesn't credit the arrangement or the fact that it's a folk song.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: EllisDSox]
    #23347969 - 06/15/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah that sounds like a fun process, I wish I could play the guitar more like a harp but I don't practice rythm guitar enough :sad:

Bob certainly is an iconic musician so I can see how people would get like that, it is very foolish though.

I don't know enough to really say but I feel like Page is fairly notorious for musical theft, didn't know that about the Yardbirds though. Interesting.
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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23348451 - 06/15/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Taurus literally sounds nothing like Stairway


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23348602 - 06/15/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

That fuckin riff they ripped off sure does.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: lowbrow]
    #23348605 - 06/15/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

No


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: deucedbi9]
    #23348668 - 06/15/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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People have killed themselves to Stairway to Heaven... My dad once spoke of his friend who did. If I was on the jury I would vote in favor of Zeppelin because this case is rubbish wealth seeking. It's not even the author taking this to court.




Now you can tell your dad his buddy killed himself to a song thats famous riff was stolen from Spirit.
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That Taurus track sounds like it has a little bit of plagerism from Bach or handel or somesuch.

If Zep were inspired, slightly, by the tune so fucking what, the two numbers are worlds apart so Fuckem.




Oh, so its okay if they tour with another band and steal their riff to make one of the most popular songs in the world and give no credit?  Zep is even being little bitches about it.  Fuck Led Zeppelin used to cover another Spirit song when they toured together.  Fresh Garbage.

I hope Spirit rapes em in court.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23348670 - 06/15/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Then why do they sound the same?


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: lowbrow]
    #23348678 - 06/15/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Then why do they sound the same?




They don't.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23348694 - 06/15/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Ya they do.If you want to keep playing dumb you can, so far it looks like your pretty good at it.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23348695 - 06/15/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Who cares if they did. Fuck, they probably did. It sounds like something they would do. It's rock and roll though, and that other band didn't do it as well, obviously.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23348698 - 06/15/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Then why do they sound the same?




They don't.




I think anyone with half a musical ear can tell they sound very similiar at least...

At the very least that spirit track inspired stairway and much more likely they actually "borrowed" part of it.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: lowbrow]
    #23348700 - 06/15/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

All the Zep fans are butthurt.  This shits funneezz!


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: dixienormous]
    #23348719 - 06/15/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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People have killed themselves to Stairway to Heaven... My dad once spoke of his friend who did. If I was on the jury I would vote in favor of Zeppelin because this case is rubbish wealth seeking. It's not even the author taking this to court.




if you listen to the two songs you can hear that there is a little similarity in
about 10 seconds of the songs but even that isnt really the same


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23348785 - 06/15/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It's exactly the same. Learn how to chord voicings. The only difference is minor alteration in what the right hand does.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: lowbrow]
    #23348848 - 06/15/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Doesn't sound similar at all. Where's a single part where it actually sounds similar? I listened to almost the whole song and I have heard Stairway countless times.


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Re: Led Zeppelin denies stealing opening chords of Stairway to Heaven [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23348856 - 06/15/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

And I can easily identify different sounds and similarities in songs that most people I know can't.


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