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Designer Drugs
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To case or not to case
#23344427 - 06/14/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys. I have a weird very random splitting headache right now, worst headache I ever had so I'm gonna make this short and sweet.
I've got a tray of WBS spawned to coir that just hit full colonization. I have a few other quarts of spawn but only started one cause I'm waiting on gypsum to arrive in the mail to add to those and peat moss for those casings. Wanted to get a grow done asap so started this without those ingredients. MY head is fucking killing me! ah so should I just case with straight verm or not at all or? Coir isn't a casing anymore right?
Oh and also I forgot to cover all exposed grains, I just mixed. I really hope this headache stops soon this is unbearable i've never felt anything like this. Wish I had some shrooms to cure it, its agonizing.
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Snazz
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Sprinkle some peat moss on top. Exposed grains will invite earlier contams
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Designer Drugs
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Re: To case or not to case [Re: Snazz]
#23344953 - 06/14/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Designer Drugs said: I have a few other quarts of spawn but only started one cause I'm waiting on gypsum to arrive in the mail to add to those and peat moss for those casings. Wanted to get a grow done asap so started this without those ingredients. MY head is fucking killing me! ah so should I just case with straight verm or not at all or? Coir isn't a casing anymore right?
I don't have any peat moss that's why I'm asking
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Snazz
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Oh, thought you were waiting on gypsum (which is a mineral supplement for bulk mainly). My bad.
Vermiculite will work, if you have it. Coir is used in a blend for some casing recipes.
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Re: To case or not to case [Re: Snazz]
#23345260 - 06/14/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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casing is a top layer over the substrate, preferably less nutritious than coir.
But straight verm is kinda amateur. If all you have to case with is verm I would just leave it as-is until you can find some peat moss to mix with that verm and pasteurize it. It it starts pinning before you find adequate casing then just leave it as-is.
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Snazz
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I definitely found pure verm my least favorite. The look, texture and retention qualities seemed subpar. Potting soil always got brown specks (no idea if it's salt or mold lol)
Wax paper or some other covering can also help during the knotting phase.
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Re: To case or not to case [Re: Snazz]
#23345649 - 06/15/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would suggest casing just so you can learn the technique of using one. Thats what I'm doing now, and I just used straight coir. Next time I will use Coir and Verm. The nutrition in coir encourages the mycelium to want to colonize the whole casing before pinning or at least it kinda seemed that way. My casing did not fully colonize but it shrank on the sides as if it was being consumed so I just assume the apparent is true. CVG is like one of the best substrates/casing mixes, ain't it? Still hear people loving peat, and I also heard cactus soil is a great casing? Straight verm is not for me.....at all. lol
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Re: To case or not to case [Re: camplo]
#23345901 - 06/15/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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If your fruiting chamber has the right environment, you don't even need a casing for cubes.
Here's one without a casing
Turned out JUST as beautiful as my others that had a casing.
I've never tried verm alone as a casing so can't recommend it. If in doubt, go without?
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Re: To case or not to case [Re: Timmy Meow]
#23345920 - 06/15/16 03:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Straight verm from the bag is great, so is not casing at all
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Re: To case or not to case [Re: bodhisatta]
#23345950 - 06/15/16 03:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Straight verm from the bag is great, so is not casing at all
this is what I've been doing. seems to work pretty well honestly.
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Designer Drugs
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Re: To case or not to case [Re: Ziran]
#23346070 - 06/15/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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think im gonna go straight verm, unless I can find some potting soil or peat at ace hardware or something.
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Designer Drugs said: think im gonna go straight verm, unless I can find some potting soil or peat at ace hardware or something.
uhhh I would use straight verm over potting soil any day. in fact, I don't think I'd ever consider potting soil.
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Re: To case or not to case [Re: Munchauzen]
#23346203 - 06/15/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh I see, I heard that the Jiffy MIx potting soil was the same as peat/verm or something like that though, is that true?
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Designer Drugs
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Also if I use straight verm, do I need to incubate again after I add the verm casing or can I add the verm and throw it straight into fruiting?
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Designer Drugs
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I got some peat moss. Also have lime, verm, and gypsum. Can anyone point me to a good tek for the portions I should use with these? I don't have a ph stick to test so i need to get the measurements right with them lime and stuff, thats pretty important right?
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bodhisatta 
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just sprinkle the verm on top and then spray it with some water
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Designer Drugs said: I got some peat moss. Also have lime, verm, and gypsum. Can anyone point me to a good tek for the portions I should use with these? I don't have a ph stick to test so i need to get the measurements right with them lime and stuff, thats pretty important right?
the old 50/50+ recipe was: half peat, half verm. with 1 tablespoon of gypsum and 1 teaspoon of lime for every cup of peat moss used.
I've heard growers say the teaspoon of lime is a little much. if you've got pH testsing paper, use it to be sure.
I just sifted a bag of JiffyMix (to get all the debris and sticks out), hydrated it and checked the pH before pasteurizing it. it was pH 7. I feel better with the pH up around 10. .. but I didn't add any lime. Lazy. same reason I use the JiffyMix.
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Re: To case or not to case [Re: uncle_rico]
#23358063 - 06/18/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks guys, I think im gonna go with the 50/50+. I have one more question though.
1. On the 50/50+ tek it says some people pasteurize some people sterilize, what are your experiences with pasteurizing, do you prefer it?
2. My tray has been in fruiting conditions for 2 days now as well, no pins yet though only primordial growth. will it be okay to add a pasteurized 50/50+ to this now?
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bodhisatta 
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I've only ever used coir, coir+verm, verm, and jiffy mix as casings. all of those can be sterilized
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Re: To case or not to case [Re: bodhisatta]
#23358106 - 06/18/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't case.
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