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OfflinePatlal
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If Muslims are banned...
    #23343780 - 06/14/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Isn't that only going to create a black market demand for them?

Seriously though. Straight forward question:

Will a Muslim ban reduce the frequency of terror attacks?
What would a Muslim ban do
You may choose only one


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #23343808 - 06/14/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It would decrease attacks, simple math, less Muslims means less fraction of bad Muslims means less attacks.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23343817 - 06/14/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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It would decrease attacks, simple math, less Muslims means less fraction of bad Muslims means less attacks.




I can understand that logic.

Do we have a counter argument?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal] * 3
    #23343871 - 06/14/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Koods will ban them for being muslims.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Sun King] * 2
    #23343874 - 06/14/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It would be a temporary ban and it would be to filter out the bad ones.

Im for it.

It won't stop attacks 100%, but what if it prevented just one massive attack?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
    #23343876 - 06/14/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Do you mean ban them from Canada? You do know you are Canadian, right?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal] * 3
    #23343885 - 06/14/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Isn't that only going to create a black market demand for them?






cartels gonna be smuggling them in by the truckload


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23343912 - 06/14/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This question is so fucking inane.
If you have less violent savages in a location there will be less violent crimes in said location.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23343930 - 06/14/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I vote segregation based on religion instead of race.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
    #23343944 - 06/14/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It would no doubt increase attacks.

Terrorist organizations recruit the isolated individuals by pointing out that the system is against them. By banning Muslims we would only be giving fuel to their propaganda.

Entertaining the idea is just plain stupid.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
    #23344038 - 06/14/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I think its going to increase terroritst attacks from Muslims as the extremist Muslims will become VERY pissed and start attacking the US more systematically.

Only time will tell what happens, but all these attacks are fucked up to say the least.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23344041 - 06/14/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

We have a statistical tied on the poll. People really have no idea in general what would happen


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
    #23344047 - 06/14/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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We have a statistical tied on the poll. People really have no idea in general what would happen



Only one way to find out....


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
    #23344048 - 06/14/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It really could go either way :shrug:


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 3
    #23344067 - 06/14/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

So, we give them what they want and don't do anything about it and the attacks continue?

Or..

We do something about it and it pisses off the extremists and they plan an attack?


If Muslims who are condemning these attacks don't understand why they have to be screened before being let into our country and in return convert themselves to a terrorist group.  Then they were never a good guy to begin with.

They should be blaming the terrorist groups for a suspension on their immigration NOT us.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #23344463 - 06/14/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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It would no doubt increase attacks.

Terrorist organizations recruit the isolated individuals by pointing out that the system is against them. By banning Muslims we would only be giving fuel to their propaganda.

Entertaining the idea is just plain stupid.




The ones that want to kill us, WANT TO FUCKING KILL US.

Ban them now, the crazy fucks here will rally and cry and do what they can but they will dwindle. In the mean time we develep ways to separate the nuts from the norm. If they cant deal with our new system then the hell withem, America is at war here and this is what we have in place, you either live it or go away and cry somewhere else.

America needs to get tough and it will be called names in the process.

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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
    #23344472 - 06/14/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

you mean a ban on incoming Muslims, or are you including the ludicrous idea of deporting all Muslims already within the US, and removing their rights en masse?
In either case I think it'd stir up an even bigger shitstorm within the US an abroad
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Ezuma]
    #23344522 - 06/14/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

things have to get worse before they can get better


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344536 - 06/14/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

In my opinion. banning Muslims is stupid. I get the idea behind it, but it's impossible to implement. It's not as if they are carrying ID card with their religion written on them.

What you can do is prevent travel from certain countries. If your passport is from irak for instance, you can't just buy a plane ticket and go. There has to be a background check first. Its gonna create bureaucracy and a travel waiting line, but in the end it would put a band aid on the bullet hole.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata] * 4
    #23344539 - 06/14/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

My idea is to treat churches and temples like bars.

No religion until you're an adult.

Children get brainwashed into believing these extreme and fundamentalist beliefs. Whereas an adult hearing these stories for the first time would think they are retarded.

This wouldn't be a fool proof plan, but it would make a huge impact.

And I think children all over would be grateful.

Also it would eliminate overnight the problem of children being abused by clergyman.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344542 - 06/14/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

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We need more like Trump guns.




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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344575 - 06/14/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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things have to get worse before they can get better




while that might be true in general, banning Muslims isn't the 'worse' we need to make the world better. The 'worse' we have to endure is stepping down our military profiteering, actually help the poor of the world out when we can and not dehumanize them and help radicalize them -arguably justifiably- against us.
The backlash will continue, and much of it can be blamed on an outdated ideology, but we won't get out of this one by entertaining fascist policies and further bombings. Of course, we'll probably go that route anyways, and that's why I've little hope for the future of the west


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Ezuma]
    #23344664 - 06/14/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i agree with some of that, "we" don't need to help the world, we need to leave the world alone and focus on us. And we do help the poor already, America gives billions to other countries in money, food, support ect... we are very generous. I cant stand it when people talk about how awful America is, we are the most generous country in the world and we are still hated. I agree we need to stop bombing and being pushy and shit but it's not all America the bully, most of it us trying to make a deal/protect our asses, some of it is legit mistake. We defend and protect more people than most people are aware of. The shit you hear in the media is magnified mistakes we make made out to make us look like the problem. If we packed up and came home and said fuck the rest of the world it would fall apart. Again we do need to stay out of some areas but we wouldn't be there if we didn't have to be. The world is not perfect and neither is America, the middle east has sheep fuckers woman and children abusers and a lot more, its a long hard road out of hell.

Need to get tough, or we will not survive.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344685 - 06/14/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I would be fine with the premise we just need to stop getting involved. The problem is, after getting involved and making a mess of it, I think we do have a degree of responsibility. My problem with america is nothing to do with its people or its wealth, and everything to do with war profiteering and the corruption inherent to the way politics and business run. I don't hate america, I love the supposed ideals it's people buy into, and think they ought to be upheld.


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    #23344746 - 06/14/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Agree, there is an apparent corruption of power, i think this falls on the responsibility of the people for the governments or whoever s mistakes. We the people need to wake up and fix America to where it needs to be, only then can we put our opinion in others business.

There wont ever be another America, i hope we make it. We don't have a long heritage like China or India.. But we are the culmination of the world in an attempt to be free.

Imagine a sheep fucking prophet believing ak toting douche on a space ship headed to Andromeda to wage galactic Jihad.:paranoid:


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
    #23344756 - 06/14/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The banning being discussed is a temporary one until we get a handle on the vetting process, which is non existant as of now. Safety for existing citizens trumps any urgency the state may have to blindly open the door for mass immigration. That is if the president follows through on the Oath of Office when he was sworn in, promising to preserve, defend and uphold the Constitution.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344762 - 06/14/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

"Sorry, no babies allowed in Church".

Sounds kinda silly :shrug:


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23344781 - 06/14/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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"Sorry, no babies allowed in Church".

Sounds kinda silly :shrug:




actually i think that's a great idea, it's criminal imo to indoctrinate children into any religion


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    #23344788 - 06/14/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i didnt say that whore, that was Supachopped.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344808 - 06/14/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Whore?

Thats not very Buddist of you :nonono:


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #23344810 - 06/14/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It would be more enforceable than banning Muslims.

Do we ban immigration of Muslims? What about the Muslims already here? Do they have to wear a little crescent on their sleeves so we can identify them? Should we round them all up and concentrate them into little camps?

This whole ban Muslims thing is unenforceable and unethical.

But my idea is that banning children from church, in my mind, is ethical and encorcable.

Children have no place in a church, they aren't adding anything to the religion other than a new generation. Their minds can't really process the kind of information that's there, that's why we have religious nuts that believe the bible word for word, because they misunderstood something someone said as a kid.

A kid asks if the stories in the bible are true and if he should believe them. It's hard to explain to them that they are allegories and not to be taken literally, some events may be based on true event but most are just moral stories kinda like a Disney film.

I know my idea would never happen. But within only one or two generations, we as a people could almost completely eliminate fundamentalism in religion, and once the die hard extremist views are gone, the religions can finally grow and mature to the modern era.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23344845 - 06/14/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You're not in favor of banning so what do you propose? We cant let them run around unchecked. There are women in Michigan that ware face rags when they get their Identification cards. This is Bullshit.

Islam = Death

Who gives a fuck about ethics when your people are dying.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23344847 - 06/14/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I like your idea, unfortunately it will never happen.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344852 - 06/14/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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You're not in favor of banning so what do you propose? We cant let them run around unchecked. There are women in Michigan that ware face rags when they get their Identification cards. This is Bullshit.




Did you not read my post at all?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23344866 - 06/14/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

But banning childern is probably encroaching on the First Admendment and the Right to Free Speech. It could never be enforced.

Also, what about all the terrorist Muslims that are teens or adults? what do we do with them? how do we find them and stop them before mass amounts of people are murdered in the name of Jihad?


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    #23344873 - 06/14/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Seems like common sense. The countries with the worst terrorist problems are the ones that let the most muslims in. How many terrorist attacks in Japan? Korea?

Liberals prove once again they cannot protect us if they have a fucked up perspective. But what really pisses me off is how they expect me to give up my god given, 2nd amendment rights because they fucked up and let to many muslim savages into the country.

I don't give up my rights because you fucked up. If you ask me, all this talk about gun control is just a way to take the blame away from the fact that the democrats can't protect the country and probably even sympathize with the terrorist trying to kill us.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23344876 - 06/14/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

yes i did, i was raised in a christian family as a child. I ended up leaving it for Buddhism, i choose Buddhism because of what i learned form shrooms. im not 100percent because of my lifestyle and so i have lil bit of every religion in me.

Now what is your proposal for the insane islamist slaughters in America?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata] * 1
    #23344886 - 06/14/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Am I the only one here worried this might be the start of the full scale jihad in america?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344891 - 06/14/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Genocide or segregation. Otherwise it will keep happening.


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    #23344893 - 06/14/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

My solution would not be an instant fix, it would take a generation or two. And it could never be perfect of course.

It may encroach on the first amendment. I admit that. But it's a much much smaller encroachment than banning Muslims all together as Op suggests, and a lot less invasive than banning guns.

It would involve a lot less violence than more wars in the Middle East.


If religious people are against not brainwashing children, fuck them. If their faith is the one true faith and their God is so strong, then their children will attend church as an adult. My guess though, is if children weren't forced to go to church during their formative years there would be a much smaller population of religious people.

I'm not against religion, I'm religious, but I made up my mind as an adult, and I feel like I have a much better understanding since I learned all this as an adult.


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    #23344916 - 06/14/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I like your line of Logic. i Approve.

Supachopped for president! :cheers:


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    #23344917 - 06/14/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Trump is doing for Isil what Obama did for gun sales in merica :qblock:


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23344933 - 06/14/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Am I the only one here worried this might be the start of the full scale jihad in america?



This is America not the fucked up middle east. We will overcome this. There are more level headed Americans than crazy religious nuts.
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Genocide or segregation. Otherwise it will keep happening.




Why not both? Round up all the crazy believers in one country or area then rid of them.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23344940 - 06/14/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I like your line of Logic. i Approve.

Supachopped for president! :cheers:




:sunny:

As for what we do about the current crazies?!?

Well the police were able to stop the other terrorist attack on a gay event in Santa Monica. So it looks like this week we had a 50% success/fail rate. We could do better. Let's shift law enforcement's focus from the drug war, to the war on terror and the war on gangs. Instead if ducking with stoners, let's move that money to monitoring people on the terrorist watch list.

The shooter in Orlando was watched by the fbi. He was on their radar, but they didn't have the resources to really watch him and make sure they knew when he was buying weapons.

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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23344977 - 06/14/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i agree.

Monitoring potential terrorists should be priority #1.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23344999 - 06/14/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Nah kill terrorists should be priorty #1  Watching them kill hasnt helped make anyone any safer. Fuck the Saudis Turks and Iranians lets go clean house  tell them to play nice or its all there capitals next. Throw Pakistan in there for good measure. Im sure 9/10 Russian and Chinses Dictators would agree. 



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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
    #23345015 - 06/14/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Isn't that only going to create a black market demand for them?





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    #23345033 - 06/14/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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i agree.

Monitoring potential terrorists should be priority #1.





I believe you meant mortaring

Mortaring potential terrorists should be priority #1

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    #23345198 - 06/14/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

haha, is that your personal anti-terrorist mortar? :lol:


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    #23345264 - 06/14/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Isn't that only going to create a black market demand for them?






cartels gonna be smuggling them in by the truckload




I can drive down to the ghetto and buy 50 fully automatic muslims in 15 minutes. Soon only the bad guys will have muslims. Who is going to make my fucking chicken shawarma?
We had like one muslim with a bolt action rifle kill one guy Patlal. I am willing to trade one terror attack for quality falafel.


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    #23345418 - 06/14/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I can't think of a single Islamic based terror attack in the US in the past decade that wasn't committed by someone BORN in the US. (There may be, but the big ones Fort Hood, San Bernardino and Orlando were all masterminded by native born citizens). It seems like this ban is a solution to a problem that simply does not exist.

The fact is that the process to emigrate to the United States is ridiculously complicated, and usually takes years to complete.  There are extensive background checks. Nobody is just let in no questions asked. (Except for foreign born spouses of US citizens - that is usually just a formality) So, you ban Muslims until the process is fixed, except it is already incredibly secure, as the fact that there haven't been attacks by foreign born Muslims.

Meanwhile, you are feeding right into the hands of ISIS. They want Muslims around the world to feel hated by the societies they live in. That is how they get recruits. That is how they turn relatively secular Muslims into radicals.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods]
    #23345488 - 06/14/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I can't think of a single Islamic based terror attack in the US in the past decade that wasn't committed by someone BORN in the US. (There may be, but the big ones Fort Hood, San Bernardino and Orlando were all masterminded by native born citizens). It seems like this ban is a solution to a problem that simply does not exist.





to me it doesnt matter the color of their skin or where they were born, a
terrorist is a terrorist, it doesnt matter, the little shit that killed 9 people
in south carolina wasnt deemed a terrorist by our government but in my view
that's exaactly what he was, the same with Jared Loughner, James Holmes, Adam
Lanza and many others


I work with a number of mexicans that were born here, they still call themselves
mexican, they dont call themselves americans unless pressed about it, most US
born mexicans do the same, the same with people from the middle east, asia and
even europe. when your a single generation here it seems as though you dont want
to be associated with the country unless your parents push you to be, that
involves them being willing to set aside their desire to make the US just like
where they came from, hence why we have so much self segregation. blacks born
here for 5 and 6 generations refer to themselves as african american, not simply
american, why?

now, for terrorism in the US by foreign nationals, maybe you fail to realize
that  one of those terrorists was in fact born in pakistan, let's also not
forget that the boston marathon bombing carried out by the Tsarnev brothers,
they were foreign born. these are just 2 of the more recent notable cases,
there's been hundreds of plots that were stopped before they managed to
complete their goals, in just the last few years more than 70 people arrested
before they managed to kill hundreds or even thousands. some from kenya, bosnia,
chechnya, and even a few of those newly introduced syrian refugees

they arent just home grown nutters, they're imports as well


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The fact is that the process to emigrate to the United States is ridiculously complicated, and usually takes years to complete.  There are extensive background checks. Nobody is just let in no questions asked. (Except for foreign born spouses of US citizens - that is usually just a formality) So, you ban Muslims until the process is fixed, except it is already incredibly secure, as the fact that there haven't been attacks by foreign born Muslims.





blah blah blah.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspects-charged-us-aiding-terrorists/story?id=28789888
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/19/the-viral-claim-that-not-one-refugee-resettled-since-911-has-been-arrested-on-domestic-terrorism-charges/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html



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Meanwhile, you are feeding right into the hands of ISIS. They want Muslims around the world to feel hated by the societies they live in. That is how they get recruits. That is how they turn relatively secular Muslims into radicals.




I'm sorry, what?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/us/terror-charges-refugees/


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods]
    #23345493 - 06/14/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i think banning muslims isnt the answer.  I think the feds need to be more proactive... if they find themselves talking to individual because of certain ties or activities deport them..  The blanket answer is a fail. 

If my memory serves me more often than not, the feds have talked to terrorists and still let them wonder the streets.  fuck put some pressure on the people that get paid to prevent tragedies... hold them more accountable.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
    #23345505 - 06/14/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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It would decrease attacks, simple math, less Muslims means less fraction of bad Muslims means less attacks.




I can understand that logic.

Do we have a counter argument?




The last several attacks were from American born so I don't see how that would've helped anything?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: rackem] * 1
    #23345513 - 06/14/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Let's have an honest debate here. We ban Muslims, we piss off the Saudi's they stop using the petrodollar and we have a problem much bigger than the Muslims believe it or don't, but there are consequences.

1. ISIS now has a new recruiting tool, the United States is att war with all Muslims
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    #23345554 - 06/15/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

let's also be honest, banning immigrants of a particular religion is not going to fly constitutionally. Banning immigration from particular countries is feasible, but again, is it a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. The fact is immigration from Muslim countries is pretty minuscule as is. Less than 10% of immigrants in recent years have come from the Middle East and North Africa.


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    #23345561 - 06/15/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm sorry, what?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/us/terror-charges-refugees/




Two guys who wanted to go to Syria to join ISIS. Not exactly terrorism.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods]
    #23345585 - 06/15/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Who thinks congress will allow it? And then the judicial branch if it gets that far?

Edit: Unless his majesty does it by royal decree lol - I don't even know if he could do that, jus sayin


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    #23345622 - 06/15/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/experts-trumps-muslim-entry-ban-idea-ridiculous-unconsitutional/2015/12/07/d44a970a-9d47-11e5-bce4-708fe33e3288_story.html

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Donald Trump’s proposal to bar all Muslims from entering the United States violates U.S. and international law and would never be allowed by the courts, legal scholars said late Monday.

“Oh, for the love of God,” said Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law expert at George Washington University. “This would not only violate international law, but do so by embracing open discrimination against one religion. It would make the United States a virtual pariah among nations.’’




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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods]
    #23346283 - 06/15/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm sorry, what?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/us/terror-charges-refugees/




Two guys who wanted to go to Syria to join ISIS. Not exactly terrorism.




it was a bit more

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Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan, 24, of Houston, is charged with attempting to provide material support to ISIS.
Aws Mohammed Younis Al-Jayab, 23, of Sacramento is charged with making a false statement involving international terrorism.




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    #23346305 - 06/15/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/experts-trumps-muslim-entry-ban-idea-ridiculous-unconsitutional/2015/12/07/d44a970a-9d47-11e5-bce4-708fe33e3288_story.html

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Donald Trump’s proposal to bar all Muslims from entering the United States violates U.S. and international law and would never be allowed by the courts, legal scholars said late Monday.

“Oh, for the love of God,” said Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law expert at George Washington University. “This would not only violate international law, but do so by embracing open discrimination against one religion. It would make the United States a virtual pariah among nations.’’








and what's going to happen if the US violates that international law, maybe you
can show us in trumps own words where he would be doing something you article
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    #23346307 - 06/15/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Pris - does anyone in the Republican Party agree with Trump? From what I've read his ideas are falling flat in Congress, you know anything more?


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    #23346315 - 06/15/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Providing material support is going to Syria, or helping/funding another person to travel.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods]
    #23346332 - 06/15/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe instead of banning/deporting all Muslims, we could just ban/deport the ones who support terrorism


The FBI found this guy LOOOOOONG before he did anything, what stopped them from acting on that information???


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    #23346345 - 06/15/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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    #23346361 - 06/15/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Pris - does anyone in the Republican Party agree with Trump? From what I've read his ideas are falling flat in Congress, you know anything more?




Paul Ryan has been given the job of apologizing for the popular comments that Trump had made the previous day, something tells me he will be doing that for the next 5 years.


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    #23346372 - 06/15/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The law :shrug:




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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/experts-trumps-muslim-entry-ban-idea-ridiculous-unconsitutional/2015/12/07/d44a970a-9d47-11e5-bce4-708fe33e3288_story.html

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Donald Trump’s proposal to bar all Muslims from entering the United States violates U.S. and international law and would never be allowed by the courts, legal scholars said late Monday.

“Oh, for the love of God,” said Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law expert at George Washington University. “This would not only violate international law, but do so by embracing open discrimination against one religion. It would make the United States a virtual pariah among nations.’’







Yeah, because the US never used discriminatory immigration practices in the past. :facepalm:


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The law :shrug:




People keep demanding congress DO something, maybe we should :shrug:




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    #23346397 - 06/15/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe instead of banning/deporting all Muslims, we could just ban/deport the ones who support terrorism


The FBI found this guy LOOOOOONG before he did anything, what stopped them from acting on that information???




Because the FBI was in fear of practicing Islamophobia.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/263180/fbi-ended-investigation-orlando-jihadist-blamed-daniel-greenfield

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Maybe instead of banning/deporting all Muslims, we could just ban/deport the ones who support terrorism


The FBI found this guy LOOOOOONG before he did anything, what stopped them from acting on that information???




Thats the thing, how can u tell an extremist muslim from a non-extremist? you really cant. They all look the same.

Thats how these terrorist keep doing this, by behaving well, staying under the radar, blending in, then when their time comes, they strike.

Much like the school shootings like Columbine and Viginia Tech, to name a few.


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    #23346584 - 06/15/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Banning muslims would make the ones that already live in the us even more susceptible to manipulation by ISIS so it will lead to more terror attacks.

It will also severly harm the diplomatic relations to muslim countrys and i think that could end up weakening the US.


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Pris - does anyone in the Republican Party agree with Trump? From what I've read his ideas are falling flat in Congress, you know anything more?





I dont know, I'm not a republican and I havent asked anyone in the republican part


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Providing material support is going to Syria, or helping/funding another person to travel.





it's illegal to aid terrorists and seeing as how we are in a 'war on terror', it's aiding the enemy


why are you defending islamic terrorists?


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You're not Republician?

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Maybe instead of banning/deporting all Muslims, we could just ban/deport the ones who support terrorism


The FBI found this guy LOOOOOONG before he did anything, what stopped them from acting on that information???




Thats the thing, how can u tell an extremist muslim from a non-extremist? you really cant. They all look the same.

Thats how these terrorist keep doing this, by behaving well, staying under the radar, blending in, then when their time comes, they strike.

Much like the school shootings like Columbine and Viginia Tech, to name a few.




How did the FBI know to interview this guy THREE times? They must have had supporting evidence to suspect him of terrorist ties and/or sympathies. Seems to me a guy who tells his coworkers he supports ISIS and want to wage jihad doesn't "look" like other Muslims:shrug:

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Banning muslims would make the ones that already live in the us even more susceptible to manipulation by ISIS so it will lead to more terror attacks.

It will also severly harm the diplomatic relations to muslim countrys and i think that could end up weakening the US.




Only if they support jihad already, any Muslim without sympathies to terror should be happy that their loved ones wouldn't be blown up or gunned down by terrorists,

As for diplomatic relations, what we are doing isn't working, they've hated us long before sept 11, so fuck them, secure our border and prepare for war, or just continue to be picked off one by one or 50 by 50, the choice is ultimately up to us

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Maybe instead of banning/deporting all Muslims, we could just ban/deport the ones who support terrorism


The FBI found this guy LOOOOOONG before he did anything, what stopped them from acting on that information???




Because the FBI was in fear of practicing Islamophobia.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/263180/fbi-ended-investigation-orlando-jihadist-blamed-daniel-greenfield

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    #23346622 - 06/15/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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    #23346629 - 06/15/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Do we let in muslims who have denounced their faiths?

Or middle eastern people whp are christian?

What stops these people from just lying when trying to come into the us?

Some of them live in places that are exteremely poor and they dont have facebook posts proclaiming their allegiance to isis 

How do we think this screening is going to be so full proof?

Also real quick on guns

Their are guns that are legal in stores that are illegal in the street they are untracable and have the serial numbers filed away

Also there is black market for legal guns that are unregistered and untraceable

Thats why gun bans wont work imo

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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23346639 - 06/15/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Banning muslims would make the ones that already live in the us even more susceptible to manipulation by ISIS so it will lead to more terror attacks.

It will also severly harm the diplomatic relations to muslim countrys and i think that could end up weakening the US.




Yeah, because diplomatic relations with Muslims countries is more important than national security?

How's our diplomatic relations with Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and others in the region going lately?


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    #23346640 - 06/15/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Only if they support jihad already, any Muslim without sympathies to terror should be happy that their loved ones wouldn't be blown up or gunned down by terrorists,





I dont think its that black and white. I find it plausible that such an extreme masure could drive more muslims towards radical ideoligies.


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    #23346644 - 06/15/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Their are guns that are legal in stores that are illegal in the street they are untracable and have the serial numbers filed away





removing serial numbers is illegal, not that criminals care

what gun is legal in the store but illegal on the streets?

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Also there is black market for legal guns that are unregistered and untraceable





there is no gun registration in the US, a few states have implemented it

ant mass produced gun sold through a store that still retains it's serial number
is traceable to the store it was sold at and to the  manufacturer


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Thats why gun bans wont work imo




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    #23346645 - 06/15/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Dealing with fucking islamic radicals is a god damn crap shoot.  No good answers but something has to be done.


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    #23346648 - 06/15/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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howsyournaggerdoin said:
Banning muslims would make the ones that already live in the us even more susceptible to manipulation by ISIS so it will lead to more terror attacks.

It will also severly harm the diplomatic relations to muslim countrys and i think that could end up weakening the US.




Yeah, because diplomatic relations with Muslims countries is more important than national security?

How's our diplomatic relations with Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and others in the region going lately?




My first point was that it wouldnt improve national security.


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    #23346651 - 06/15/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Do we let in muslims who have denounced their faiths?

Or middle eastern people whp are christian?

What stops these people from just lying when trying to come into the us?

Some of them live in places that are exteremely poor and they dont have facebook posts proclaiming their allegiance to isis 

How do we think this screening is going to be so full proof?

Also real quick on guns

Their are guns that are legal in stores that are illegal in the street they are untracable and have the serial numbers filed away

Also there is black market for legal guns that are unregistered and untraceable

Thats why gun bans wont work imo

Everything is jusg theory




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    #23346683 - 06/15/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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Maybe instead of banning/deporting all Muslims, we could just ban/deport the ones who support terrorism


The FBI found this guy LOOOOOONG before he did anything, what stopped them from acting on that information???




Because the FBI was in fear of practicing Islamophobia.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/263180/fbi-ended-investigation-orlando-jihadist-blamed-daniel-greenfield

This country is doomed when the FBI is nothing more than a PC group of investigators.




Would you prefer them to just ship American citizens off to Guantanamo because they had, what, a suspicion, an uppity mouthy Muslim, off to Guantanamo with him.

Maybe you don't consider him as an American citizen because he doesn't have lineage going back to the puritanical fucking pilgrims and the founding goddamn fucking fathers.
Do you have such documentation of your lineage?
No? Off to Guantanamo with you if you appear to be a mouthy cunt.
Maybe I'll send the FBI a shitload of your posts here so they can come and pick you up.:evil:


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    #23346689 - 06/15/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

A "muslim ban" as you call it is such a violent rape of the freedom of religion that it in itself is the biggest terror attack imaginable.

Banning people based on their Faith (and perhaps ethnicity a bit too?) where did we hear that before?





No, thats entirely the wrong way to go. Our (grand) parents said that we would never allow that again and its up to us to enforce that.



A Muslim ban is a fascist idea. Its not liberalism or socialism or conservatism, republicanism or libertarianism, its fascism plain and simple. Its something very specific we must avoid.

We did not climb THIS high to sink THAT low again

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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Plain]
    #23346697 - 06/15/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Do we let in muslims who have denounced their faiths?

Or middle eastern people whp are christian?

What stops these people from just lying when trying to come into the us?

Some of them live in places that are exteremely poor and they dont have facebook posts proclaiming their allegiance to isis 

How do we think this screening is going to be so full proof?

Also real quick on guns

Their are guns that are legal in stores that are illegal in the street they are untracable and have the serial numbers filed away

Also there is black market for legal guns that are unregistered and untraceable

Thats why gun bans wont work imo

Everything is jusg theory




None of it is gonna work 100%, that's why I'm fully against taking arms from 300 million peaceful Americans.

We should focus on detecting terrorists here, keeping them out, and getting rid/detaining the ones found here we can't deport, like this most recent shooter, from what I heard, he would have been much happier in prison...


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    #23346720 - 06/15/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Banning Muslims would decrease attacks, because there would be less here. Yes the Orlando shooter was born in America, but his parents were born in Afghanistan. If Muslims were banned, the Orlando shooter never would have been in the USA and this attack never would have happened.

And I do not Beleive the arguement that it would increase attacks at all. Because it would make Muslims more mad? We should NEVER EVER do or not do something because we are afraid of makin Muslims mad. The Muslims are already mad. There is no point to walking on egg shells around them. When someone is already that mad, then you have to approach them even more mad.


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    #23346734 - 06/15/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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deucedbi9 said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Maybe instead of banning/deporting all Muslims, we could just ban/deport the ones who support terrorism


The FBI found this guy LOOOOOONG before he did anything, what stopped them from acting on that information???




Because the FBI was in fear of practicing Islamophobia.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/263180/fbi-ended-investigation-orlando-jihadist-blamed-daniel-greenfield

This country is doomed when the FBI is nothing more than a PC group of investigators.




Would you prefer them to just ship American citizens off to Guantanamo because they had, what, a suspicion, an uppity mouthy Muslim, off to Guantanamo with him.

Maybe you don't consider him as an American citizen because he doesn't have lineage going back to the puritanical fucking pilgrims and the founding goddamn fucking fathers.
Do you have such documentation of your lineage?
No? Off to Guantanamo with you if you appear to be a mouthy cunt.
Maybe I'll send the FBI a shitload of your posts here so they can come and pick you up.:evil:




So the FBI is wrong when it says it's in fear of being labeled bigots when investigating Muslims in the US? 

They are suggesting their investigations are being compromised because of the fear of being labeled Islamophobic.

The rest of your post pure hyperbole.


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    #23346752 - 06/15/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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A "muslim ban" as you call it is such a violent rape of the freedom of religion that it in itself is the biggest terror attack imaginable.

Banning people based on their Faith (and perhaps ethnicity a bit too?) where did we hear that before?





No, thats entirely the wrong way to go. Our (grand) parents said that we would never allow that again and its up to us to enforce that.



A Muslim ban is a fascist idea. Its not liberalism or socialism or conservatism, republicanism or libertarianism, its fascism plain and simple. Its something very specific we must avoid.

We did not climb THIS high to sink THAT low again

:antifascist:


Speaking of antifascists, where's Zappaisgod? That guy hates Nazis like he fought them himself.




How's the EU doing with that growing Muslim population?  Can the EU even hold together because of this massive problem?

A ban is going to less offensive than the ultimate backlash that is going to take place in Germany and else where, why would you want to see many innocent people getting killed to prove some ridiculous point?


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    #23346785 - 06/15/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Plain said:
Their are guns that are legal in stores that are illegal in the street they are untracable and have the serial numbers filed away





removing serial numbers is illegal, not that criminals care

what gun is legal in the store but illegal on the streets?

Quote:

Also there is black market for legal guns that are unregistered and untraceable





there is no gun registration in the US, a few states have implemented it

ant mass produced gun sold through a store that still retains it's serial number
is traceable to the store it was sold at and to the  manufacturer


Quote:

Thats why gun bans wont work imo




gun bans wont work because people can make guns, just like people can manufacture meth




Pris, you said it if you file away a serial number a gun becomes illegal even though that gun with a serial number is legal and readily available in stores.

Thats all im sayin really on that

Pris i feel you though im just sayin food for thought


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    #23346803 - 06/15/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You misunderstand the situation qman. Europe NEEDS a large influx of young able bodied people for our economy, we just got to weed out the chaff from the wheat and all nations are increasingly working towards that.

Many immigrants become hard workers after a startup period. My town is riddled with stores etc ran by Arabs and most do a very good job at what they do.

I wouldnt want to miss them for the world.

But theres a big number of assholes and we must deal with those. Thats not a Muslim ban but an asshole ban. Its fine to ban someone for being an asshole, but not for being a Muslim.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23346961 - 06/15/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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You misunderstand the situation qman. Europe NEEDS a large influx of young able bodied people for our economy, we just got to weed out the chaff from the wheat and all nations are increasingly working towards that.

Many immigrants become hard workers after a startup period. My town is riddled with stores etc ran by Arabs and most do a very good job at what they do.

I wouldnt want to miss them for the world.

But theres a big number of assholes and we must deal with those. Thats not a Muslim ban but an asshole ban. Its fine to ban someone for being an asshole, but not for being a Muslim.




"Europe NEEDS a large influx of young able bodied people for our economy"

Do you think you're speaking to someone who doesn't understand economics?  The EU already has a MASSIVE SURPLUS of labor relative to demand, why do you think unemployment is high and wages have been stagnant for the last 15 years?  The people that push your narrative are suggesting the EU MIGHT need more workers in the year 2050, do you understand how retarded that speculation is in the year 2016?

Also, please explain to me how bringing third world people with NO language skills, no education are going to contribute to a developed economy?  They can't, in fact they will be nothing but a massive financial burden to the native EU populations.  Do you want to take a 50% haircut to support them? I don't think so.

My argument for either legal or illegal immigration has always been based on the economics, the US, UK, EU, Japan and others do NOT need more potential workers in economies already flooded with BOTH unskilled and educated potential workers.

I'm sorry you bought into the media's false narrative about the EU needing these people for economic reasons, nothing could be further from the truth.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: qman]
    #23347032 - 06/15/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Idk has it occurred to anyone that someone could say they aren't Muslim to circumvent the ban? Some Isis guy could say he's a persecuted Christian minority and you'll have churches all over America raising
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    #23347043 - 06/15/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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why do you think unemployment is high and wages have been stagnant for the last 15 years?



That would be because boneheaded Europeans chose an austerity policy over stimulus.


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    #23347049 - 06/15/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I am starting the muslim witch hunts.


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    #23347061 - 06/15/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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We should NEVER EVER do or not do something because we are afraid of makin Muslims mad. The Muslims are already mad. There is no point to walking on egg shells around them. When someone is already that mad, then you have to approach them even more mad.





if you were born in the desert and all there was to do was smoke cigarettes and drink coffee and no alcohol, you would be mad too.


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    #23347063 - 06/15/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Killing humans is harder than killing people's pets.


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    #23347090 - 06/15/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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why do you think unemployment is high and wages have been stagnant for the last 15 years?



That would be because boneheaded Europeans chose an austerity policy over stimulus.




Even if that premise is true, it would make the rational for needing more labor even more delusional.


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Banning Muslims would decrease attacks, because there would be less here. Yes the Orlando shooter was born in America, but his parents were born in Afghanistan. If Muslims were banned, the Orlando shooter never would have been in the USA and this attack never would have happened.

And I do not Beleive the arguement that it would increase attacks at all. Because it would make Muslims more mad? We should NEVER EVER do or not do something because we are afraid of makin Muslims mad. The Muslims are already mad. There is no point to walking on egg shells around them. When someone is already that mad, then you have to approach them even more mad.




We are seeing more attacks, yet immigration from Muslim countries is down from where it was in the past. Anti-Muslim rhetoric hardens that community and increases anti-American feelings. Clearly demonizing an entire group of people is not going to make radicalization less common.

It's one thing to be critical of Islam. I'm all for that. But that is not what trump is doing. He is demonizing Muslims to inflame emotions and score votes. He knows you can't ban Muslims. There is no upside to what he is proposing. There is risk though. He is potentially creating jihadists with no benefit to Americans safety. The only person that benefits from the rhetoric is trump.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods]
    #23347201 - 06/15/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Some one should go undercover into a Islamic church and see if we can find out what the hell is going on with these Islamic extremists....


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    #23347203 - 06/15/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Killing humans is harder than killing people's pets.



True but killing humans is much more fun. Dogs are some of the best people I know.

Where do suicide bombers go when they die....

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Quote:

Stealth1Vampire said:
Banning Muslims would decrease attacks, because there would be less here. Yes the Orlando shooter was born in America, but his parents were born in Afghanistan. If Muslims were banned, the Orlando shooter never would have been in the USA and this attack never would have happened.

And I do not Beleive the arguement that it would increase attacks at all. Because it would make Muslims more mad? We should NEVER EVER do or not do something because we are afraid of makin Muslims mad. The Muslims are already mad. There is no point to walking on egg shells around them. When someone is already that mad, then you have to approach them even more mad.




We are seeing more attacks, yet immigration from Muslim countries is down from where it was in the past. Anti-Muslim rhetoric hardens that community and increases anti-American feelings. Clearly demonizing an entire group of people is not going to make radicalization less common.

It's one thing to be critical of Islam. I'm all for that. But that is not what trump is doing. He is demonizing Muslims to inflame emotions and score votes. He knows you can't ban Muslims. There is no upside to what he is proposing. There is risk though. He is potentially creating jihadists with no benefit to Americans safety. The only person that benefits from the rhetoric is trump.




"He knows you can't ban Muslims"

Just like we couldn't put Japanese Americans into interment camps and deporting Mexicans out of California. If there's a will there's a way.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23348679 - 06/15/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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A "muslim ban" as you call it is such a violent rape of the freedom of religion that it in itself is the biggest terror attack imaginable.







actually it isnt because we wouldnt be forcing someone to worship in some way they
dont believe, we wouldnt be forcing them to give p their faith, we would be
allowing them to practice their faith elsewhere


but you know, you dont care about any of that since you want the US to take in
muslim refugees even though you arent taking in any yourself



http://www.dw.com/en/the-netherlands-announces-tigher-border-controls-to-stem-migrant-flow/a-19034506
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    #23348682 - 06/15/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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"He knows you can't ban Muslims"

Just like we couldn't put Japanese Americans into interment camps and deporting Mexicans out of California. If there's a will there's a way.





it's as if no one has even heard about this happening with the germans as well


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    #23348688 - 06/15/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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It would no doubt increase attacks.

Terrorist organizations recruit the isolated individuals by pointing out that the system is against them. By banning Muslims we would only be giving fuel to their propaganda.

Entertaining the idea is just plain stupid.




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    #23348692 - 06/15/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Killing humans is harder than killing people's pets.





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