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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Plain]
    #23346644 - 06/15/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Plain said:
Their are guns that are legal in stores that are illegal in the street they are untracable and have the serial numbers filed away





removing serial numbers is illegal, not that criminals care

what gun is legal in the store but illegal on the streets?

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Also there is black market for legal guns that are unregistered and untraceable





there is no gun registration in the US, a few states have implemented it

ant mass produced gun sold through a store that still retains it's serial number
is traceable to the store it was sold at and to the  manufacturer


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Thats why gun bans wont work imo




gun bans wont work because people can make guns, just like people can manufacture meth


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Plain]
    #23346645 - 06/15/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Dealing with fucking islamic radicals is a god damn crap shoot.  No good answers but something has to be done.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: qman]
    #23346648 - 06/15/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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howsyournaggerdoin said:
Banning muslims would make the ones that already live in the us even more susceptible to manipulation by ISIS so it will lead to more terror attacks.

It will also severly harm the diplomatic relations to muslim countrys and i think that could end up weakening the US.




Yeah, because diplomatic relations with Muslims countries is more important than national security?

How's our diplomatic relations with Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and others in the region going lately?




My first point was that it wouldnt improve national security.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Plain] * 1
    #23346651 - 06/15/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Do we let in muslims who have denounced their faiths?

Or middle eastern people whp are christian?

What stops these people from just lying when trying to come into the us?

Some of them live in places that are exteremely poor and they dont have facebook posts proclaiming their allegiance to isis 

How do we think this screening is going to be so full proof?

Also real quick on guns

Their are guns that are legal in stores that are illegal in the street they are untracable and have the serial numbers filed away

Also there is black market for legal guns that are unregistered and untraceable

Thats why gun bans wont work imo

Everything is jusg theory




Why do we NEED to let any foreigners into the US, let alone people from dangerous parts of the globe?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: qman]
    #23346683 - 06/15/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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hostileuniverse said:
Maybe instead of banning/deporting all Muslims, we could just ban/deport the ones who support terrorism


The FBI found this guy LOOOOOONG before he did anything, what stopped them from acting on that information???




Because the FBI was in fear of practicing Islamophobia.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/263180/fbi-ended-investigation-orlando-jihadist-blamed-daniel-greenfield

This country is doomed when the FBI is nothing more than a PC group of investigators.




Would you prefer them to just ship American citizens off to Guantanamo because they had, what, a suspicion, an uppity mouthy Muslim, off to Guantanamo with him.

Maybe you don't consider him as an American citizen because he doesn't have lineage going back to the puritanical fucking pilgrims and the founding goddamn fucking fathers.
Do you have such documentation of your lineage?
No? Off to Guantanamo with you if you appear to be a mouthy cunt.
Maybe I'll send the FBI a shitload of your posts here so they can come and pick you up.:evil:


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23346689 - 06/15/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

A "muslim ban" as you call it is such a violent rape of the freedom of religion that it in itself is the biggest terror attack imaginable.

Banning people based on their Faith (and perhaps ethnicity a bit too?) where did we hear that before?





No, thats entirely the wrong way to go. Our (grand) parents said that we would never allow that again and its up to us to enforce that.



A Muslim ban is a fascist idea. Its not liberalism or socialism or conservatism, republicanism or libertarianism, its fascism plain and simple. Its something very specific we must avoid.

We did not climb THIS high to sink THAT low again

:antifascist:


Speaking of antifascists, where's Zappaisgod? That guy hates Nazis like he fought them himself.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Plain]
    #23346697 - 06/15/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Plain said:
Do we let in muslims who have denounced their faiths?

Or middle eastern people whp are christian?

What stops these people from just lying when trying to come into the us?

Some of them live in places that are exteremely poor and they dont have facebook posts proclaiming their allegiance to isis 

How do we think this screening is going to be so full proof?

Also real quick on guns

Their are guns that are legal in stores that are illegal in the street they are untracable and have the serial numbers filed away

Also there is black market for legal guns that are unregistered and untraceable

Thats why gun bans wont work imo

Everything is jusg theory




None of it is gonna work 100%, that's why I'm fully against taking arms from 300 million peaceful Americans.

We should focus on detecting terrorists here, keeping them out, and getting rid/detaining the ones found here we can't deport, like this most recent shooter, from what I heard, he would have been much happier in prison...


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23346720 - 06/15/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Banning Muslims would decrease attacks, because there would be less here. Yes the Orlando shooter was born in America, but his parents were born in Afghanistan. If Muslims were banned, the Orlando shooter never would have been in the USA and this attack never would have happened.

And I do not Beleive the arguement that it would increase attacks at all. Because it would make Muslims more mad? We should NEVER EVER do or not do something because we are afraid of makin Muslims mad. The Muslims are already mad. There is no point to walking on egg shells around them. When someone is already that mad, then you have to approach them even more mad.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: deucedbi9] * 1
    #23346734 - 06/15/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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deucedbi9 said:
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qman said:
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hostileuniverse said:
Maybe instead of banning/deporting all Muslims, we could just ban/deport the ones who support terrorism


The FBI found this guy LOOOOOONG before he did anything, what stopped them from acting on that information???




Because the FBI was in fear of practicing Islamophobia.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/263180/fbi-ended-investigation-orlando-jihadist-blamed-daniel-greenfield

This country is doomed when the FBI is nothing more than a PC group of investigators.




Would you prefer them to just ship American citizens off to Guantanamo because they had, what, a suspicion, an uppity mouthy Muslim, off to Guantanamo with him.

Maybe you don't consider him as an American citizen because he doesn't have lineage going back to the puritanical fucking pilgrims and the founding goddamn fucking fathers.
Do you have such documentation of your lineage?
No? Off to Guantanamo with you if you appear to be a mouthy cunt.
Maybe I'll send the FBI a shitload of your posts here so they can come and pick you up.:evil:




So the FBI is wrong when it says it's in fear of being labeled bigots when investigating Muslims in the US? 

They are suggesting their investigations are being compromised because of the fear of being labeled Islamophobic.

The rest of your post pure hyperbole.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23346752 - 06/15/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Asante said:
A "muslim ban" as you call it is such a violent rape of the freedom of religion that it in itself is the biggest terror attack imaginable.

Banning people based on their Faith (and perhaps ethnicity a bit too?) where did we hear that before?





No, thats entirely the wrong way to go. Our (grand) parents said that we would never allow that again and its up to us to enforce that.



A Muslim ban is a fascist idea. Its not liberalism or socialism or conservatism, republicanism or libertarianism, its fascism plain and simple. Its something very specific we must avoid.

We did not climb THIS high to sink THAT low again

:antifascist:


Speaking of antifascists, where's Zappaisgod? That guy hates Nazis like he fought them himself.




How's the EU doing with that growing Muslim population?  Can the EU even hold together because of this massive problem?

A ban is going to less offensive than the ultimate backlash that is going to take place in Germany and else where, why would you want to see many innocent people getting killed to prove some ridiculous point?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23346785 - 06/15/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Plain said:
Their are guns that are legal in stores that are illegal in the street they are untracable and have the serial numbers filed away





removing serial numbers is illegal, not that criminals care

what gun is legal in the store but illegal on the streets?

Quote:

Also there is black market for legal guns that are unregistered and untraceable





there is no gun registration in the US, a few states have implemented it

ant mass produced gun sold through a store that still retains it's serial number
is traceable to the store it was sold at and to the  manufacturer


Quote:

Thats why gun bans wont work imo




gun bans wont work because people can make guns, just like people can manufacture meth




Pris, you said it if you file away a serial number a gun becomes illegal even though that gun with a serial number is legal and readily available in stores.

Thats all im sayin really on that

Pris i feel you though im just sayin food for thought


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: qman]
    #23346803 - 06/15/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You misunderstand the situation qman. Europe NEEDS a large influx of young able bodied people for our economy, we just got to weed out the chaff from the wheat and all nations are increasingly working towards that.

Many immigrants become hard workers after a startup period. My town is riddled with stores etc ran by Arabs and most do a very good job at what they do.

I wouldnt want to miss them for the world.

But theres a big number of assholes and we must deal with those. Thats not a Muslim ban but an asshole ban. Its fine to ban someone for being an asshole, but not for being a Muslim.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23346961 - 06/15/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Asante said:
You misunderstand the situation qman. Europe NEEDS a large influx of young able bodied people for our economy, we just got to weed out the chaff from the wheat and all nations are increasingly working towards that.

Many immigrants become hard workers after a startup period. My town is riddled with stores etc ran by Arabs and most do a very good job at what they do.

I wouldnt want to miss them for the world.

But theres a big number of assholes and we must deal with those. Thats not a Muslim ban but an asshole ban. Its fine to ban someone for being an asshole, but not for being a Muslim.




"Europe NEEDS a large influx of young able bodied people for our economy"

Do you think you're speaking to someone who doesn't understand economics?  The EU already has a MASSIVE SURPLUS of labor relative to demand, why do you think unemployment is high and wages have been stagnant for the last 15 years?  The people that push your narrative are suggesting the EU MIGHT need more workers in the year 2050, do you understand how retarded that speculation is in the year 2016?

Also, please explain to me how bringing third world people with NO language skills, no education are going to contribute to a developed economy?  They can't, in fact they will be nothing but a massive financial burden to the native EU populations.  Do you want to take a 50% haircut to support them? I don't think so.

My argument for either legal or illegal immigration has always been based on the economics, the US, UK, EU, Japan and others do NOT need more potential workers in economies already flooded with BOTH unskilled and educated potential workers.

I'm sorry you bought into the media's false narrative about the EU needing these people for economic reasons, nothing could be further from the truth.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: qman]
    #23347032 - 06/15/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Idk has it occurred to anyone that someone could say they aren't Muslim to circumvent the ban? Some Isis guy could say he's a persecuted Christian minority and you'll have churches all over America raising
Money to bring him to the US.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods]
    #23347043 - 06/15/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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why do you think unemployment is high and wages have been stagnant for the last 15 years?



That would be because boneheaded Europeans chose an austerity policy over stimulus.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
    #23347049 - 06/15/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I am starting the muslim witch hunts.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: ShiVersblood] * 1
    #23347061 - 06/15/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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We should NEVER EVER do or not do something because we are afraid of makin Muslims mad. The Muslims are already mad. There is no point to walking on egg shells around them. When someone is already that mad, then you have to approach them even more mad.





if you were born in the desert and all there was to do was smoke cigarettes and drink coffee and no alcohol, you would be mad too.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: sprinkles]
    #23347063 - 06/15/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Killing humans is harder than killing people's pets.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods] * 1
    #23347090 - 06/15/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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why do you think unemployment is high and wages have been stagnant for the last 15 years?



That would be because boneheaded Europeans chose an austerity policy over stimulus.




Even if that premise is true, it would make the rational for needing more labor even more delusional.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #23347110 - 06/15/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Banning Muslims would decrease attacks, because there would be less here. Yes the Orlando shooter was born in America, but his parents were born in Afghanistan. If Muslims were banned, the Orlando shooter never would have been in the USA and this attack never would have happened.

And I do not Beleive the arguement that it would increase attacks at all. Because it would make Muslims more mad? We should NEVER EVER do or not do something because we are afraid of makin Muslims mad. The Muslims are already mad. There is no point to walking on egg shells around them. When someone is already that mad, then you have to approach them even more mad.




We are seeing more attacks, yet immigration from Muslim countries is down from where it was in the past. Anti-Muslim rhetoric hardens that community and increases anti-American feelings. Clearly demonizing an entire group of people is not going to make radicalization less common.

It's one thing to be critical of Islam. I'm all for that. But that is not what trump is doing. He is demonizing Muslims to inflame emotions and score votes. He knows you can't ban Muslims. There is no upside to what he is proposing. There is risk though. He is potentially creating jihadists with no benefit to Americans safety. The only person that benefits from the rhetoric is trump.


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