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I like your line of Logic. i Approve.
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Trump is doing for Isil what Obama did for gun sales in merica
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IveBeenRecycled said: Am I the only one here worried this might be the start of the full scale jihad in america?
This is America not the fucked up middle east. We will overcome this. There are more level headed Americans than crazy religious nuts.
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spirit_shadow said: Genocide or segregation. Otherwise it will keep happening.
Why not both? Round up all the crazy believers in one country or area then rid of them.
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LogicaL Chaos said: I like your line of Logic. i Approve.
Supachopped for president! 

As for what we do about the current crazies?!?
Well the police were able to stop the other terrorist attack on a gay event in Santa Monica. So it looks like this week we had a 50% success/fail rate. We could do better. Let's shift law enforcement's focus from the drug war, to the war on terror and the war on gangs. Instead if ducking with stoners, let's move that money to monitoring people on the terrorist watch list.
The shooter in Orlando was watched by the fbi. He was on their radar, but they didn't have the resources to really watch him and make sure they knew when he was buying weapons.
Retrain the cops.
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LogicaL Chaos
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i agree.
Monitoring potential terrorists should be priority #1.
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Nah kill terrorists should be priorty #1 Watching them kill hasnt helped make anyone any safer. Fuck the Saudis Turks and Iranians lets go clean house tell them to play nice or its all there capitals next. Throw Pakistan in there for good measure. Im sure 9/10 Russian and Chinses Dictators would agree.
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
#23345015 - 06/14/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Isn't that only going to create a black market demand for them?
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LogicaL Chaos said: i agree.
Monitoring potential terrorists should be priority #1.
I believe you meant mortaring
Mortaring potential terrorists should be priority #1
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23345198 - 06/14/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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haha, is that your personal anti-terrorist mortar?
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Niffla]
#23345264 - 06/14/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Isn't that only going to create a black market demand for them?
cartels gonna be smuggling them in by the truckload
I can drive down to the ghetto and buy 50 fully automatic muslims in 15 minutes. Soon only the bad guys will have muslims. Who is going to make my fucking chicken shawarma? We had like one muslim with a bolt action rifle kill one guy Patlal. I am willing to trade one terror attack for quality falafel.
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: my3rdeye]
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I can't think of a single Islamic based terror attack in the US in the past decade that wasn't committed by someone BORN in the US. (There may be, but the big ones Fort Hood, San Bernardino and Orlando were all masterminded by native born citizens). It seems like this ban is a solution to a problem that simply does not exist.
The fact is that the process to emigrate to the United States is ridiculously complicated, and usually takes years to complete. There are extensive background checks. Nobody is just let in no questions asked. (Except for foreign born spouses of US citizens - that is usually just a formality) So, you ban Muslims until the process is fixed, except it is already incredibly secure, as the fact that there haven't been attacks by foreign born Muslims.
Meanwhile, you are feeding right into the hands of ISIS. They want Muslims around the world to feel hated by the societies they live in. That is how they get recruits. That is how they turn relatively secular Muslims into radicals.
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods]
#23345488 - 06/14/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: I can't think of a single Islamic based terror attack in the US in the past decade that wasn't committed by someone BORN in the US. (There may be, but the big ones Fort Hood, San Bernardino and Orlando were all masterminded by native born citizens). It seems like this ban is a solution to a problem that simply does not exist.
to me it doesnt matter the color of their skin or where they were born, a terrorist is a terrorist, it doesnt matter, the little shit that killed 9 people in south carolina wasnt deemed a terrorist by our government but in my view that's exaactly what he was, the same with Jared Loughner, James Holmes, Adam Lanza and many others
I work with a number of mexicans that were born here, they still call themselves mexican, they dont call themselves americans unless pressed about it, most US born mexicans do the same, the same with people from the middle east, asia and even europe. when your a single generation here it seems as though you dont want to be associated with the country unless your parents push you to be, that involves them being willing to set aside their desire to make the US just like where they came from, hence why we have so much self segregation. blacks born here for 5 and 6 generations refer to themselves as african american, not simply american, why?
now, for terrorism in the US by foreign nationals, maybe you fail to realize that one of those terrorists was in fact born in pakistan, let's also not forget that the boston marathon bombing carried out by the Tsarnev brothers, they were foreign born. these are just 2 of the more recent notable cases, there's been hundreds of plots that were stopped before they managed to complete their goals, in just the last few years more than 70 people arrested before they managed to kill hundreds or even thousands. some from kenya, bosnia, chechnya, and even a few of those newly introduced syrian refugees
they arent just home grown nutters, they're imports as well
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The fact is that the process to emigrate to the United States is ridiculously complicated, and usually takes years to complete. There are extensive background checks. Nobody is just let in no questions asked. (Except for foreign born spouses of US citizens - that is usually just a formality) So, you ban Muslims until the process is fixed, except it is already incredibly secure, as the fact that there haven't been attacks by foreign born Muslims.
blah blah blah.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspects-charged-us-aiding-terrorists/story?id=28789888 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/19/the-viral-claim-that-not-one-refugee-resettled-since-911-has-been-arrested-on-domestic-terrorism-charges/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html
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Meanwhile, you are feeding right into the hands of ISIS. They want Muslims around the world to feel hated by the societies they live in. That is how they get recruits. That is how they turn relatively secular Muslims into radicals.
I'm sorry, what?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/us/terror-charges-refugees/
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods]
#23345493 - 06/14/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think banning muslims isnt the answer. I think the feds need to be more proactive... if they find themselves talking to individual because of certain ties or activities deport them.. The blanket answer is a fail.
If my memory serves me more often than not, the feds have talked to terrorists and still let them wonder the streets. fuck put some pressure on the people that get paid to prevent tragedies... hold them more accountable.
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
#23345505 - 06/14/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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Anahata said: It would decrease attacks, simple math, less Muslims means less fraction of bad Muslims means less attacks.
I can understand that logic.
Do we have a counter argument?
The last several attacks were from American born so I don't see how that would've helped anything?
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: rackem] 1
#23345513 - 06/14/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Let's have an honest debate here. We ban Muslims, we piss off the Saudi's they stop using the petrodollar and we have a problem much bigger than the Muslims believe it or don't, but there are consequences.
1. ISIS now has a new recruiting tool, the United States is att war with all Muslims 2. The Petrodollar is vulnerable and if that happens our economy goes boom
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Citizen X] 1
#23345554 - 06/15/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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let's also be honest, banning immigrants of a particular religion is not going to fly constitutionally. Banning immigration from particular countries is feasible, but again, is it a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. The fact is immigration from Muslim countries is pretty minuscule as is. Less than 10% of immigrants in recent years have come from the Middle East and North Africa.
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods]
#23345561 - 06/15/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sorry, what?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/us/terror-charges-refugees/
Two guys who wanted to go to Syria to join ISIS. Not exactly terrorism.
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods]
#23345585 - 06/15/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who thinks congress will allow it? And then the judicial branch if it gets that far?
Edit: Unless his majesty does it by royal decree lol - I don't even know if he could do that, jus sayin
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#23345622 - 06/15/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/experts-trumps-muslim-entry-ban-idea-ridiculous-unconsitutional/2015/12/07/d44a970a-9d47-11e5-bce4-708fe33e3288_story.html
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Donald Trump’s proposal to bar all Muslims from entering the United States violates U.S. and international law and would never be allowed by the courts, legal scholars said late Monday.
“Oh, for the love of God,” said Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law expert at George Washington University. “This would not only violate international law, but do so by embracing open discrimination against one religion. It would make the United States a virtual pariah among nations.’’
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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: koods]
#23346283 - 06/15/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sorry, what?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/us/terror-charges-refugees/
Two guys who wanted to go to Syria to join ISIS. Not exactly terrorism.
it was a bit more
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Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan, 24, of Houston, is charged with attempting to provide material support to ISIS. Aws Mohammed Younis Al-Jayab, 23, of Sacramento is charged with making a false statement involving international terrorism.
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