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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344542 - 06/14/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344575 - 06/14/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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things have to get worse before they can get better




while that might be true in general, banning Muslims isn't the 'worse' we need to make the world better. The 'worse' we have to endure is stepping down our military profiteering, actually help the poor of the world out when we can and not dehumanize them and help radicalize them -arguably justifiably- against us.
The backlash will continue, and much of it can be blamed on an outdated ideology, but we won't get out of this one by entertaining fascist policies and further bombings. Of course, we'll probably go that route anyways, and that's why I've little hope for the future of the west


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Ezuma]
    #23344664 - 06/14/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i agree with some of that, "we" don't need to help the world, we need to leave the world alone and focus on us. And we do help the poor already, America gives billions to other countries in money, food, support ect... we are very generous. I cant stand it when people talk about how awful America is, we are the most generous country in the world and we are still hated. I agree we need to stop bombing and being pushy and shit but it's not all America the bully, most of it us trying to make a deal/protect our asses, some of it is legit mistake. We defend and protect more people than most people are aware of. The shit you hear in the media is magnified mistakes we make made out to make us look like the problem. If we packed up and came home and said fuck the rest of the world it would fall apart. Again we do need to stay out of some areas but we wouldn't be there if we didn't have to be. The world is not perfect and neither is America, the middle east has sheep fuckers woman and children abusers and a lot more, its a long hard road out of hell.

Need to get tough, or we will not survive.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344685 - 06/14/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I would be fine with the premise we just need to stop getting involved. The problem is, after getting involved and making a mess of it, I think we do have a degree of responsibility. My problem with america is nothing to do with its people or its wealth, and everything to do with war profiteering and the corruption inherent to the way politics and business run. I don't hate america, I love the supposed ideals it's people buy into, and think they ought to be upheld.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Ezuma]
    #23344746 - 06/14/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Agree, there is an apparent corruption of power, i think this falls on the responsibility of the people for the governments or whoever s mistakes. We the people need to wake up and fix America to where it needs to be, only then can we put our opinion in others business.

There wont ever be another America, i hope we make it. We don't have a long heritage like China or India.. But we are the culmination of the world in an attempt to be free.

Imagine a sheep fucking prophet believing ak toting douche on a space ship headed to Andromeda to wage galactic Jihad.:paranoid:


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Patlal]
    #23344756 - 06/14/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The banning being discussed is a temporary one until we get a handle on the vetting process, which is non existant as of now. Safety for existing citizens trumps any urgency the state may have to blindly open the door for mass immigration. That is if the president follows through on the Oath of Office when he was sworn in, promising to preserve, defend and uphold the Constitution.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344762 - 06/14/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

"Sorry, no babies allowed in Church".

Sounds kinda silly :shrug:


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23344781 - 06/14/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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"Sorry, no babies allowed in Church".

Sounds kinda silly :shrug:




actually i think that's a great idea, it's criminal imo to indoctrinate children into any religion


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23344788 - 06/14/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i didnt say that whore, that was Supachopped.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344808 - 06/14/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Whore?

Thats not very Buddist of you :nonono:


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #23344810 - 06/14/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It would be more enforceable than banning Muslims.

Do we ban immigration of Muslims? What about the Muslims already here? Do they have to wear a little crescent on their sleeves so we can identify them? Should we round them all up and concentrate them into little camps?

This whole ban Muslims thing is unenforceable and unethical.

But my idea is that banning children from church, in my mind, is ethical and encorcable.

Children have no place in a church, they aren't adding anything to the religion other than a new generation. Their minds can't really process the kind of information that's there, that's why we have religious nuts that believe the bible word for word, because they misunderstood something someone said as a kid.

A kid asks if the stories in the bible are true and if he should believe them. It's hard to explain to them that they are allegories and not to be taken literally, some events may be based on true event but most are just moral stories kinda like a Disney film.

I know my idea would never happen. But within only one or two generations, we as a people could almost completely eliminate fundamentalism in religion, and once the die hard extremist views are gone, the religions can finally grow and mature to the modern era.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23344845 - 06/14/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You're not in favor of banning so what do you propose? We cant let them run around unchecked. There are women in Michigan that ware face rags when they get their Identification cards. This is Bullshit.

Islam = Death

Who gives a fuck about ethics when your people are dying.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23344847 - 06/14/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I like your idea, unfortunately it will never happen.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344852 - 06/14/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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You're not in favor of banning so what do you propose? We cant let them run around unchecked. There are women in Michigan that ware face rags when they get their Identification cards. This is Bullshit.




Did you not read my post at all?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23344866 - 06/14/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

But banning childern is probably encroaching on the First Admendment and the Right to Free Speech. It could never be enforced.

Also, what about all the terrorist Muslims that are teens or adults? what do we do with them? how do we find them and stop them before mass amounts of people are murdered in the name of Jihad?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Supachopped719] * 1
    #23344873 - 06/14/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Seems like common sense. The countries with the worst terrorist problems are the ones that let the most muslims in. How many terrorist attacks in Japan? Korea?

Liberals prove once again they cannot protect us if they have a fucked up perspective. But what really pisses me off is how they expect me to give up my god given, 2nd amendment rights because they fucked up and let to many muslim savages into the country.

I don't give up my rights because you fucked up. If you ask me, all this talk about gun control is just a way to take the blame away from the fact that the democrats can't protect the country and probably even sympathize with the terrorist trying to kill us.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23344876 - 06/14/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

yes i did, i was raised in a christian family as a child. I ended up leaving it for Buddhism, i choose Buddhism because of what i learned form shrooms. im not 100percent because of my lifestyle and so i have lil bit of every religion in me.

Now what is your proposal for the insane islamist slaughters in America?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata] * 1
    #23344886 - 06/14/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Am I the only one here worried this might be the start of the full scale jihad in america?


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: Anahata]
    #23344891 - 06/14/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Genocide or segregation. Otherwise it will keep happening.


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Re: If Muslims are banned... [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 3
    #23344893 - 06/14/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

My solution would not be an instant fix, it would take a generation or two. And it could never be perfect of course.

It may encroach on the first amendment. I admit that. But it's a much much smaller encroachment than banning Muslims all together as Op suggests, and a lot less invasive than banning guns.

It would involve a lot less violence than more wars in the Middle East.


If religious people are against not brainwashing children, fuck them. If their faith is the one true faith and their God is so strong, then their children will attend church as an adult. My guess though, is if children weren't forced to go to church during their formative years there would be a much smaller population of religious people.

I'm not against religion, I'm religious, but I made up my mind as an adult, and I feel like I have a much better understanding since I learned all this as an adult.


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