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Psychedelic Options?
#23342226 - 06/14/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I know that the main or common psychedelics are: LSA LSD Psilocybin Mescaline DMT
But is there any that I'm missing? I've been reading around on erowid but just wondering if I haven't found something yet.
I don't plan on taking DMT ever but have LSA and Mescaline on my list. Where can all of these be found as I know there are HWBR and morning glories Peruvian Torch, Peyote, San Pedro, Bridgesii Would love to know what common accessible seeds have magic properties. Thanks
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Amanita, Ibogaine, Salvia, Ketamine.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: Jiemba]
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I think most people count 2CB and 2CI now that there is a good amount of research on them.
I think most people would consider the 5 subbed tryptamines RC's but mybe look into them.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: Jiemba] 1
#23342553 - 06/14/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jiemba said: Amanita, Ibogaine, Salvia, Ketamine.
Salvia- not a psychedelic
Ketamine - definitely not a psychedelic
Amanita- As far as I know that's not a psychedelic either. Probably a deliriant/sedative.
Ibogaine is the only real psychedelic you listed there. I suggest the OP maybe go for Ayahuasca? I don't see why he wants to avoid DMT.
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To me a psychedelic is a serotonergic hallucinogen.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23342630 - 06/14/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What about MDMA and other methoxylated amphetamines? I think most people consider them psychedelic. Around here the real stuff can be very hard to come by though, its all mixed RCs sold as X. Where's Michael Clegg when you need him?? 
But you're looking for seeds and natural stuff so that probably doesn't help much.
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I think he wants to know about entheogens but that's just my guess.
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LSA wasn't good for me, i don't like it. Too much body load for little effects. Your list looks correct, thats what I would of came up with. I wouldn't consider 2ci, or 2cb psychedelics. Those are still RCS in my book, same with all the other lysergamides, 1p, lad, ect...ect..
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: LSDollar]
#23342735 - 06/14/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well the 2Cs are certainly still psychedelics just not "classic psychedelics" and I don't think 2CB is a research chemical anymore.
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Salvia is psychoactive for sure but then if it isn't a psych what is it listed as I can't find anything else on it
Erowid says atypical psychedelic but not sure what delineates that
I've had some of my strongest experiences from salvia it is quite powerful when given a PRoper extract
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: Maroon]
#23343056 - 06/14/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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2cb is a 5ht2a receptor agonists like psilocin or LSD.
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#23343073 - 06/14/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Salvia is a dissociative with I guess some "psychedelic" qualities. Smoked Salvia is theorized to have possible characteristics of deliriants as well. It and cannabis are speculated to have vague properties of all 3 categories of hallucinogens; psychedelics, dissociative and deliriants.
So is salvia a real psychedelic? No it's mostly a dissociative. An atypical dissociative technically.
An example of a real psychedelic with some dissociative characteristics would be Ibogaine. and I suppose once again cannabis.
Cannabis is really interesting and yes it has been proven to not have just psychedelic effects but characteristics of psychotomimetics/deliriants as well as dissociatives. It's pretty well rounded.
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4-HO-MET and 4-ACO-MET (metocin) If you can find this RC I highly reccomend it. It's definitely a psychedelic and a good first dose would be around 20-40mg Also really great to take with acid. I usually don't like to muddy up acid trips with other drugs but metocin is amazing
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What about 4-HO-MIPT? I can get this quite cheap and lots of it. Anyone experienced with this one?
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: YeOlde]
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Just a heads up 4-AcO-MET is metacetin The HO version is metocin.
Also OP is asking about common psychedelics i dont thi k he wants RCs with little research done on them.
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Jiemba said: Amanita, Ibogaine, Salvia, Ketamine.
Salvia- not a psychedelic
Ketamine - definitely not a psychedelic
Amanita- As far as I know that's not a psychedelic either. Probably a deliriant/sedative.
Ibogaine is the only real psychedelic you listed there. I suggest the OP maybe go for Ayahuasca? I don't see why he wants to avoid DMT.
it depends on your definition of psychedelic which has two definitions. the first being the classical psychedelics that produce the kaleidescope visuals but the second definition is mind manifesting. salvia, ketamine and amanita are all very much mind manifesting and are every bit as psychedelic as mushrooms and LSD under that latter definition.
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You have listed all the psychedelics we are allowed to talk about here 
I highly recommend extracting LSA via methanol from fresh morning glory seeds. Its amazing 
Also, u can mix up psychs, like Mescajuana or Shrooms with Acid or Mescaline with Acid or any psych witb nitrous (not allowed in TPE).
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why fresh seeds? i have some dried seed
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I'm pretty sure the 'mind manifesting' thing applies to the definition of hallucinogen not just psychedelic hallucinogens. All hallucinogens are mind manifesting; psychedelic is something more specific.
I mean I consider it pretty simple what psychedelics and non psychedelics are. There are some anomalies though like atypical psychedelics such as cannabis or ibogaine; or atypical dissociatives like salvia. Cannabis and Ibogaine though they are primarily considered psychedelics (especially ibogaine) they have some characteristics of dissociatives but they are still considered psychedelics, just "atypical psychedelics" especially cannabis. Salvia on the other hand is considered an atypical dissociative, but still a dissociative and with some psychedelic characteristics but is not truly a psychedelic.
Now mostly every other hallucinogenic substance other than the atypicals or the ones I named are pretty much just strictly defined to one category.
Psilocybin mushrooms are just psychedelic they have no distinct dissociative or deliriant characteristics and no that doesn't mean delusions or out of body experiences aren't possible they still are but it's just a psychedelic. LSD, Mescaline, Ayahuasca, LSA, 2C-B, 25i etc..are just psychedelics.
Datura and Toè are just deliriants. They may seem 'psychedelic' in some ways but they are still psychotic states therefore classed as being deliriants.
Ketamine, Nitrous, DXM, PCP are all dissociatives but all dissociatives are so weird because they're all so very different even though they're all NDMA antagonists. DXM is nothing like Ketamine and Nitrous is nothing like either of them. I haven't tried PCP though. Ketamine like I said in another thread just seems so different from any 'hallucinogen' I can think of and to my mind seems to be the only dissociative that can compete with the tryptamines but I don't see it as psychedelic because if it's a psychedelic that means it can't be a dissociative but it is.
I mean other than the atypicals I usually just go by -Dissociatives : NDMA antagonists -Psychedelics : 5-H2TA agonists -Deliriants : chonline inhibitors
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Peyote Road said: why fresh seeds? i have some dried seed
Because fresh seeds contain more psychedelic alkoloids in higher concentrations than old seeds. Old seeds have more side effects and lethergy with them.
Also, for extracting, fresh seeds yield a crystal like substance via methanol and old seeds (half a year or more) yield gooey sap wax stuff via methanol.
Personally, i like crystalz.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: YeOlde]
#23346043 - 06/15/16 05:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've honestly never heard about this one but it may be worth a shot if it's not expensive give er a try after some research
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AL-LAD ALD-52 ETH-LAD 1P-LSD 1P-ETH-LAD PRO-LAD LSZ
Right now is the golden age of lysergamides lol. Id recommend anyone who likes LSD to at least try AL-LAD and ALD-52
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Acorus americanus.
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Calamus was originally noted to have psychedelic properties in Caucasian literature through ethnobotanical research dating back to the 1960s. However, sweet flag has been held in high esteem by North American indigenous peoples for many hundreds of years. An important ethnobotanical, calamus served as a powerful shamanic libation, a panacea, health tonic and detoxifier, and a talisman against evil. Indeed, this plant is saturated with spiritual magic and universal connectivity (Ratsch 1998, 41).
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According to North American tribes, the amount of calamus necessary to produce psychoactive effects is equivalent to the size of a finger. However, dosages of up to 300g have been tested. High doses have reportedly resulted in LSD-like experiences (Ratsch 1998, 40).
There are several varieties of A. calamus available, and from all of the online vendors we have purchased this product from, only a few had genuine Acorus calamus americanus. The Americanus variety is the only one that is known to have a historical use as an entheogen.
http://entheology.com/plants/acorus-calamus-var-americanus-2/
Bufotenine, from Anadenanthera colubrina AKA Cebil beans.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: Salvia is a dissociative with I guess some "psychedelic" qualities. Smoked Salvia is theorized to have possible characteristics of deliriants as well. It and cannabis are speculated to have vague properties of all 3 categories of hallucinogens; psychedelics, dissociative and deliriants.
So is salvia a real psychedelic? No it's mostly a dissociative. An atypical dissociative technically.
An example of a real psychedelic with some dissociative characteristics would be Ibogaine. and I suppose once again cannabis.
Cannabis is really interesting and yes it has been proven to not have just psychedelic effects but characteristics of psychotomimetics/deliriants as well as dissociatives. It's pretty well rounded.
psychedelics have to be serotonin receptor agonists but dissociatives don't have to be NMDA antagonists?
What im trying to say is Salvia and cannabis couldn't be considered dissociatives in the same way that neither of them could be considered psychedelics because they don't have anything to do with the receptors that dissociatives hit.
Ibogaine on the other hand is in a whole new ballpark because it truly is both a serotonergic psychedelic and an NMDA antagonist dissociative.
And also If you consider entactogenic drugs to be psychedelic than you should also count NMDA drugs because they are on a whole different level of deepness and trippy compared to drugs like MDMA and MDA.
@OP Honestly If you want a hallucinogen that will blown your mind this is how I would rate them from my personal experience: Dissociatives: 1: MXE 2: Ketamine 3: DXM
Psychedelics: 1:4-aco-dmt 2:DMT 3:Mushrooms 4:LSD 5:Any other serotonergic psychedelic
Other hallucinogens: 1:Salvia 2:Cannabis
Again these are only ones that Ive tried that I think are very good hallucinogens. There are definitely other great hallucinogens out there I haven't tried and also ones ive tried that just couldn't compare to the ones on this list.
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ComebackKid said: I've honestly never heard about this one but it may be worth a shot if it's not expensive give er a try after some research
I've heard lots of good things about it and seems to have a fairly good safety profile based on a thread on a diff forum, lots of experimentation.
TiHKAL has an entry on it reporting good things to and considering shrooms are 4-HO-DMT... 4-HO-MIPT I hear has spiritual qualities more akin to an ecstasy type feel and can take you on a trip that begins right from your childhood and flashes you through your whole life in a very vivid way. It sounds interesting.
Back on topic, Aurora kinda nails it really. You got Trymptamines which generally hit 5HT-2A, Dissociatives=NMDA and Delerients affecting acetycholine pathways.
Tryptamines/ Lysergamides: LSA / LSD, Shrooms (4-HO-DMT), 5-MeO-DMT (Found in the Colorado river toad), DMT, 2CB / 2CI (Phenethylamines). I suppose MDMA to an extent (MDA more so psychedelic)
OP you should read PihKAL and TihKAL books to get an idea of the vast array of psychoactive / psychedelics.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: flickedbic]
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flickedbic said: Bufotenine, from Anadenanthera colubrina AKA Cebil beans.
Yes, tried that, definitly a tryptamin -high, bufotenin is 5-HO-DMT, very closly related to psilocin (4-HO-DMT). Just crush five seeds, smoke the yellow powder and off you go for an hour with mild effects like tracers, bright colors, cartoon -like vision and time compression.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: Pandemoon]
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Traditionally the seeds are made into a snuff.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Just another ROA, I guess, but those seeds are little different, 5-MeO-DMT <-> 5-HO-DMT.
Yopo (A.perigrina) is made into snuff by most, while Cebil (A.colubrina) can also be smoked with good results, snuff works too.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: Pandemoon]
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The *classic* pyschedelics are psilocybin, LSD, mescaline and DMT.
There are plenty of pyschedelics out there but these are the classics.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: mushpunx]
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Depends on how you define classic. mescaline, psilocybin and LSA definitely have a much longer history of use than LSD.
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LSA is not a classic psychedelic.
Ibogaine and Salvia have been used for thousands of years that doesn't mean they're "classic psychedelics" though.
The classic psychedelics like he said are DMT, Psilocybin, Mescaline and LSD and that's it.
It's not something that's up for debate really. It's not for everyone to make their own interpretation of list. the classics are the classics.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: trvptamine]
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psychedelics have to be serotonin receptor agonists but dissociatives don't have to be NMDA antagonists?
What im trying to say is Salvia and cannabis couldn't be considered dissociatives in the same way that neither of them could be considered psychedelics because they don't have anything to do with the receptors that dissociatives hit.
Ibogaine on the other hand is in a whole new ballpark because it truly is both a serotonergic psychedelic and an NMDA antagonist dissociative.
And also If you consider entactogenic drugs to be psychedelic than you should also count NMDA drugs because they are on a whole different level of deepness and trippy compared to drugs like MDMA and MDA.
Uh bro did you not see me say everything EXCEPT the atypicals? Not all psychedelics are serotonergic, weed is an example of that. Weed is an atypical psychedelic just like how Salvia is an atypical dissociative. Do you not know what atypical means? They don't follow the normal algorithm that's why they're called atypical.
I NEVER said cannabis was a dissociative because it's not. It's an atypical psychedelic with dissociative characteristics. Just because it has characteristics of dissociatives doesn't mean it is one. Weed has characteristics of psychotomimetics as well but that doesn't mean it's considered a full blown psychotomimetic/deliriant. Cannabis is still more of a psychedelic than anything just like how Salvia is more of a dissociative.
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I dont agree with the atypical thing i would not call a drug that doesnt effect serotonin a psych. Same goes for NMDA receptor agonists and dissociatives. But ibogaine is a tryptamine like DMT or Psiloc(yb)in do why would it be atypical? Sounds pretty typical to me
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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So you don't consider cannabis(THC) a psychedelic? I mean I do and I thought most did it's just..atypical that's all.
According to Wikipedia these are the psychedelic effects of cannabis:"Some effects may include a general change in consciousness, mild - strong visual distortions, strange unique hallucinations unlike serotonin based psychedelics that usually have rigid movements and vividly flashing images usually seen in dim lighting (high doses), landscapes and vivid cartoon-like images upon closing eyes, euphoria, feelings of general well-being, relaxation or stress reduction, enhanced recollection of episodic memory, hunger, increased sensuality, increased awareness of sensation, creative or philosophical thinking, disruption of linear memory, paranoia, agitation, anxiety, potentiation of other psychedelics, and increased awareness of sound, patterns, and colo(u)r."
Seems psychedelic to me 
Ibogaine is an atypical psychedelic because it has distinct dissociative properties and effects. That's the only thing that makes it atypical is it's not like other serotonergic psychedelics. It's 'less' atypical than most atypicals though if that makes any sense. For example weed and Ibogaine are both atypical psychedelics but Ibogaine is kinda more on the psychedelic side and cannabis is more on the atypical side. Not all atypicals are created equally.
Cannabis has been shown to posses characteristics of all 3 categories of hallucinogens but having most in common with psychedelic. It has characteristics of dissociatives, deliriants but has most characteristics (and even effects) from psychedelics. So don't you think cannabis can be considered a psychedelic as well?
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Salvia is a kappa-opioid dissociative. It doesn't affect NMDA, but it's a dissociative.
Ibogaine is a thing of it's own. Taken from Erowid:
"Ibogaine acts on numerous receptor systems, including the dopaminergic, serotonergic, nicotinic, GABA, and muscarinic systems."
It is also known to affect NMDA.
It acts in ways resembling psychedelics, typical dissociatives, atypical dissociatives, and muscimol deliriants (amanita muscaria). Apparently, it also has effects resembling those of nicotine, and GABAergic and dopaminergic drugs.
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I had no idea Ibogaine had things in common with muscimol or deliriants?
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AuroraBorealis88 said: So you don't consider cannabis(THC) a psychedelic? I mean I do and I thought most did it's just..atypical that's all.
According to Wikipedia these are the psychedelic effects of cannabis:"Some effects may include a general change in consciousness, mild - strong visual distortions, strange unique hallucinations unlike serotonin based psychedelics that usually have rigid movements and vividly flashing images usually seen in dim lighting (high doses), landscapes and vivid cartoon-like images upon closing eyes, euphoria, feelings of general well-being, relaxation or stress reduction, enhanced recollection of episodic memory, hunger, increased sensuality, increased awareness of sensation, creative or philosophical thinking, disruption of linear memory, paranoia, agitation, anxiety, potentiation of other psychedelics, and increased awareness of sound, patterns, and colo(u)r."
Seems psychedelic to me 
Ibogaine is an atypical psychedelic because it has distinct dissociative properties and effects. That's the only thing that makes it atypical is it's not like other serotonergic psychedelics. It's 'less' atypical than most atypicals though if that makes any sense. For example weed and Ibogaine are both atypical psychedelics but Ibogaine is kinda more on the psychedelic side and cannabis is more on the atypical side. Not all atypicals are created equally.
Cannabis has been shown to posses characteristics of all 3 categories of hallucinogens but having most in common with psychedelic. It has characteristics of dissociatives, deliriants but has most characteristics (and even effects) from psychedelics. So don't you think cannabis can be considered a psychedelic as well?
Sounds psychedelic to you because you have a different definition of psychedelic than me. To me a psychedelic is a serotonergic hallucinogen. So no i dont think it should be considered a psychedelic. A haulluginogen yes. And i kbow cannabis foes effect some 5HT receptors but not in the same way as psychedelics.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: LSA is not a classic psychedelic.
Ibogaine and Salvia have been used for thousands of years that doesn't mean they're "classic psychedelics" though.
The classic psychedelics like he said are DMT, Psilocybin, Mescaline and LSD and that's it.
It's not something that's up for debate really. It's not for everyone to make their own interpretation of list. the classics are the classics.
The classics were used among academics, writers and artists.. people like Huxley and Burroughs. Mescaline was definetly the first of the classics, acedemics were starting to explore it at the turn of the 20th century. DMT was pretty rare in the early 50s, but there are some great accounts of searching out Ayauasca in south America, Burroughs "the yage letters" is a fantastic read especially if you're a fan of his The in the early 50s psilocybin was brought back and that and LSD started to get explored.
Lab created DMT, was being used pretty earlyt Im not sure when to date this but Burroughs sent out a letter saying he overdosed on it and its super dangerous or something (he self injected, a large dose I imAgine).
Either way, that's what makes them classics. They really are the best too if you ask me.
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