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TheThirdEye
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Psychedelic Options?
#23342226 - 06/14/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I know that the main or common psychedelics are: LSA LSD Psilocybin Mescaline DMT
But is there any that I'm missing? I've been reading around on erowid but just wondering if I haven't found something yet.
I don't plan on taking DMT ever but have LSA and Mescaline on my list. Where can all of these be found as I know there are HWBR and morning glories Peruvian Torch, Peyote, San Pedro, Bridgesii Would love to know what common accessible seeds have magic properties. Thanks
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Jiemba
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Amanita, Ibogaine, Salvia, Ketamine.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: Jiemba]
#23342413 - 06/14/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think most people count 2CB and 2CI now that there is a good amount of research on them.
I think most people would consider the 5 subbed tryptamines RC's but mybe look into them.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: Jiemba] 1
#23342553 - 06/14/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jiemba said: Amanita, Ibogaine, Salvia, Ketamine.
Salvia- not a psychedelic
Ketamine - definitely not a psychedelic
Amanita- As far as I know that's not a psychedelic either. Probably a deliriant/sedative.
Ibogaine is the only real psychedelic you listed there. I suggest the OP maybe go for Ayahuasca? I don't see why he wants to avoid DMT.
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To me a psychedelic is a serotonergic hallucinogen.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23342630 - 06/14/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What about MDMA and other methoxylated amphetamines? I think most people consider them psychedelic. Around here the real stuff can be very hard to come by though, its all mixed RCs sold as X. Where's Michael Clegg when you need him?? 
But you're looking for seeds and natural stuff so that probably doesn't help much.
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AuroraBorealis88
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I think he wants to know about entheogens but that's just my guess.
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LSA wasn't good for me, i don't like it. Too much body load for little effects. Your list looks correct, thats what I would of came up with. I wouldn't consider 2ci, or 2cb psychedelics. Those are still RCS in my book, same with all the other lysergamides, 1p, lad, ect...ect..
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: LSDollar]
#23342735 - 06/14/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well the 2Cs are certainly still psychedelics just not "classic psychedelics" and I don't think 2CB is a research chemical anymore.
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Salvia is psychoactive for sure but then if it isn't a psych what is it listed as I can't find anything else on it
Erowid says atypical psychedelic but not sure what delineates that
I've had some of my strongest experiences from salvia it is quite powerful when given a PRoper extract
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: Maroon]
#23343056 - 06/14/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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2cb is a 5ht2a receptor agonists like psilocin or LSD.
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: Maroon] 1
#23343073 - 06/14/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Salvia is a dissociative with I guess some "psychedelic" qualities. Smoked Salvia is theorized to have possible characteristics of deliriants as well. It and cannabis are speculated to have vague properties of all 3 categories of hallucinogens; psychedelics, dissociative and deliriants.
So is salvia a real psychedelic? No it's mostly a dissociative. An atypical dissociative technically.
An example of a real psychedelic with some dissociative characteristics would be Ibogaine. and I suppose once again cannabis.
Cannabis is really interesting and yes it has been proven to not have just psychedelic effects but characteristics of psychotomimetics/deliriants as well as dissociatives. It's pretty well rounded.
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4-HO-MET and 4-ACO-MET (metocin) If you can find this RC I highly reccomend it. It's definitely a psychedelic and a good first dose would be around 20-40mg Also really great to take with acid. I usually don't like to muddy up acid trips with other drugs but metocin is amazing
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What about 4-HO-MIPT? I can get this quite cheap and lots of it. Anyone experienced with this one?
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Re: Psychedelic Options? [Re: YeOlde]
#23344689 - 06/14/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just a heads up 4-AcO-MET is metacetin The HO version is metocin.
Also OP is asking about common psychedelics i dont thi k he wants RCs with little research done on them.
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Jiemba said: Amanita, Ibogaine, Salvia, Ketamine.
Salvia- not a psychedelic
Ketamine - definitely not a psychedelic
Amanita- As far as I know that's not a psychedelic either. Probably a deliriant/sedative.
Ibogaine is the only real psychedelic you listed there. I suggest the OP maybe go for Ayahuasca? I don't see why he wants to avoid DMT.
it depends on your definition of psychedelic which has two definitions. the first being the classical psychedelics that produce the kaleidescope visuals but the second definition is mind manifesting. salvia, ketamine and amanita are all very much mind manifesting and are every bit as psychedelic as mushrooms and LSD under that latter definition.
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You have listed all the psychedelics we are allowed to talk about here 
I highly recommend extracting LSA via methanol from fresh morning glory seeds. Its amazing 
Also, u can mix up psychs, like Mescajuana or Shrooms with Acid or Mescaline with Acid or any psych witb nitrous (not allowed in TPE).
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why fresh seeds? i have some dried seed
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I'm pretty sure the 'mind manifesting' thing applies to the definition of hallucinogen not just psychedelic hallucinogens. All hallucinogens are mind manifesting; psychedelic is something more specific.
I mean I consider it pretty simple what psychedelics and non psychedelics are. There are some anomalies though like atypical psychedelics such as cannabis or ibogaine; or atypical dissociatives like salvia. Cannabis and Ibogaine though they are primarily considered psychedelics (especially ibogaine) they have some characteristics of dissociatives but they are still considered psychedelics, just "atypical psychedelics" especially cannabis. Salvia on the other hand is considered an atypical dissociative, but still a dissociative and with some psychedelic characteristics but is not truly a psychedelic.
Now mostly every other hallucinogenic substance other than the atypicals or the ones I named are pretty much just strictly defined to one category.
Psilocybin mushrooms are just psychedelic they have no distinct dissociative or deliriant characteristics and no that doesn't mean delusions or out of body experiences aren't possible they still are but it's just a psychedelic. LSD, Mescaline, Ayahuasca, LSA, 2C-B, 25i etc..are just psychedelics.
Datura and Toè are just deliriants. They may seem 'psychedelic' in some ways but they are still psychotic states therefore classed as being deliriants.
Ketamine, Nitrous, DXM, PCP are all dissociatives but all dissociatives are so weird because they're all so very different even though they're all NDMA antagonists. DXM is nothing like Ketamine and Nitrous is nothing like either of them. I haven't tried PCP though. Ketamine like I said in another thread just seems so different from any 'hallucinogen' I can think of and to my mind seems to be the only dissociative that can compete with the tryptamines but I don't see it as psychedelic because if it's a psychedelic that means it can't be a dissociative but it is.
I mean other than the atypicals I usually just go by -Dissociatives : NDMA antagonists -Psychedelics : 5-H2TA agonists -Deliriants : chonline inhibitors
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Peyote Road said: why fresh seeds? i have some dried seed
Because fresh seeds contain more psychedelic alkoloids in higher concentrations than old seeds. Old seeds have more side effects and lethergy with them.
Also, for extracting, fresh seeds yield a crystal like substance via methanol and old seeds (half a year or more) yield gooey sap wax stuff via methanol.
Personally, i like crystalz.
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