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viktor
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Are you an old poster?
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deff
just love everyone



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Re: What Is Insanity? [Re: viktor]
#23362968 - 06/20/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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seems very familiar indeed
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Jokeshopbeard
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Could I please request that you don't post whore like that BTD? That's 8 posts in a row. It doesn't make for good reading for the regulars here; let's keep the vibes nice huh?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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beforethedawn
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Shit sorry.
I really apologise for that, for a philosophy forum especially, ya.
Should I merge them all?
And this is my first time on the internet, let alone shroomery, so ya.
-------------------- Hostile humankind Can't you see you're fucking blind?
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sudly
Darwin's stagger


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Quote:
beforethedawn said: So I mean, just play with the logic a little
Belief and reality are a polarity.
Reality must be unbelievable.
Belief must be unrealisable.
So that's the band, the frequency band, of possibilities -
What you believe, through to what you can't believe.
Belief must be Hell, and reality must be Heaven.
How to substantiate?
Hard to BELIEVE, because it's an aspect of REALITY, but -
If you remove all doubt about the present, on a soul, on a primal, absolute level, just remove all doubt about what you are experiencing in the present, the present will become unbelievable because you no longer believe anything about it.
The sages have said "Enlightenment" is just ordinary, everyday awareness, just without the doubt.
Then they said they found themselves in Beautitude.
Belief and reality have separate origins.
Beliefs come from an individuals subjective capabilities and reality most likely came about from quantum fluctuations and the big bang for which the evidence is surmounting.
Humans are made from cosmic dust in the universe so obviously there was a universe before us.
That's why the universe was made before 'consciousness'.
"Existence precedes essence."
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
Edited by sudly (06/20/16 05:14 PM)
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bass head
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Re: What Is Insanity? [Re: sudly]
#23365036 - 06/20/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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insanity is basically when your perception of yourself, the people around you, and your environment, does not align with the majority of individuals that are in a position to detrimentally impact your welfare if they don't see things the way that you do. basically.
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viktor
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Re: What Is Insanity? [Re: sudly] 1
#23365635 - 06/21/16 02:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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sudly said: Humans are made from cosmic dust in the universe so obviously there was a universe before us.
That's why the universe was made before 'consciousness'.
"Existence precedes essence."
You see, I consider you insane because you believe yourself to be your body, which is a delusion.
-------------------- "They consider me insane but I know that I am a hero living under the eyes of the gods."
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sudly
Darwin's stagger


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Re: What Is Insanity? [Re: viktor]
#23365667 - 06/21/16 02:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I believe my 'self' is contained within my body as the interactions between my nervous system and the environmental stimuli it processes.
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pineninja
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Re: What Is Insanity? [Re: sudly]
#23365688 - 06/21/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ever seen the experiment where sense self can be moved to a different body through use of camera and vr headsets.
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beforethedawn
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Re: What Is Insanity? [Re: pineninja]
#23365877 - 06/21/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hrm, sudly, very, very rational.
Try feeling your way into knowing things?
Just as an experiment.
If you become love you will never hurt yourself or another being again.
I guess trust has to follow. You need to trust yourself that your love is able to make the decisions.
Seems nature takes you higher if you courageously take chances (more McKenna-ish thoughts)
At least,
Talk and think with feelings present, never be coldly rational.
The mind is just wonderful, just wonderful, the mind will blow your mind.
If you get into certain states of trust, feeling and intuition, you will not believe the things you say. They will be amazing.
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Jokeshopbeard
Humble Student

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Re: What Is Insanity? [Re: viktor]
#23365978 - 06/21/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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beforethedawn said: And this is my first time on the internet, let alone shroomery, so ya.
Hey don't sweat it at all brother, I had no idea this was your first forum experience! You picked a good one alright, I've been through about 6 before I made a home here. Hope you stick around.
Really like your post above, much easier to digest than the many posts before!!
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viktor said: You see, I consider you insane because you believe yourself to be your body, which is a delusion.
I really like this. As long as we believe ourselves to be our bodies, we are stuck in a state of delusion IMO, which is inherently one of profound suffering. And is not determining to remain in a state of suffering completely insane??
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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CosmicJoke
happy mutant


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Just an informal warning, but please type in paragraphs and do not post some eight odd consecutive posts back to back. Bumping them in that fashion is what we call post whoring around here.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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LunarEclipse
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Re: What Is Insanity? [Re: bass head]
#23366770 - 06/21/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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bass head said: insanity is basically when your perception of yourself, the people around you, and your environment, does not align with the majority of individuals that are in a position to detrimentally impact your welfare if they don't see things the way that you do. basically.
As an example, the climate change agenda 2030 people are seriously talking about prosecuting those that deny climate change. This is in spite of them not even admitting the two biggest climate change/global warming elephants in the room, aerosol spraying and Fukushima/nuclear plants.
Apparently unless one agrees that mankind and CO2 so called global warming gas are the main cause of global warming which is a bunch of BS. The fact that the planet is getting warmer AND drying out is the "tell" that the desiccant effect of these chemicals has had a global and serious consequence.
Then, the right wing/Exxon/fracking/global warming deniers are talking about prosecuting the Agenda 2030 let's eliminate fossil fuel and tax the living shit out of them crowd.
It really is insanity, as we bake in a drought and watch the planes criss cross our skies on a near daily basis dumping toxic stuff on us that most deny even happens. Oh those are "persistent" contrails. What an oxymoron the two are separate or should be by definition.
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beforethedawn
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I apologise a second time! 
I get a bit excited...
I like this -
"I consider you insane because you think you are a body."
Really like it, a lot. Because it's true! They really are crazy. Really, really crazy. Look at what this idea has done to Mother Earth.
-------------------- Hostile humankind Can't you see you're fucking blind?
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RJ Tubs 202


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Quote:
Jokeshopbeard said:
I really like this. As long as we believe ourselves to be our bodies, we are stuck in a state of delusion IMO, which is inherently one of profound suffering.
I'm confused and go back and forth on this.
When I abandon my mind for my body, I realize all of my fears and "problems" are total BS.
I used to hate my body as this thing I have to lug around. Now I find it a place of refuge.
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deff
just love everyone



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that reminds me of something i read once along the lines of...
at the beginning of the journey, the body seems like a prison and the mind is freedom (as the mind can apparently travel into imagination and isn't bound to space quite like the body)
later in the journey though we realize the mind is in fact the prison, and that the body is always in a state of freedom
or something like that
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Re: What Is Insanity? [Re: deff]
#23371943 - 06/22/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well stated deff
For most of my life I've found my mind to be a place of refuge.
Long ago I remember a 2-day work conference when I spent the 2 days diagramming a fungi production strategy
Complete with various pinning triggers and media formulations.
(with my boss sitting right next to me)
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