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stormbloopers
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NZ ID Request--Subsecs?
#23342104 - 06/14/16 04:02 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Habitat: Growing in wood chips in Auckland, NZ

Gills: Dark brown

Stem: 1cm length, 5mm diameter, white,
Cap: Partially encloses stem, 2cm diameter, cream-light brown

Spore print color: Very difficult to take as mushroom doesn't fully open up
Bruising: Very slight bluing
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Anglerfish
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A bluing Psilocybe sp., I'd suggest P. weraroa.
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Re: NZ ID Request--Subsecs? [Re: Anglerfish]
#23342178 - 06/14/16 05:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, all of stormbloopers specimens are Psilocybe subsecotioides Angler.
All though, inski says Psilocybe subsecotioides could be a variant of Psilocybe weraroa.
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Re: NZ ID Request--Subsecs? [Re: Hashed]
#23342196 - 06/14/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, going by IF/SF, Psilocybe subsecotioides isn't a published name. MO lists two finds named P. weraroa var. subsecotioides nom. prov.
My impression is that it is a situation similar to the previous "cyanofriscosa" labelling of P. allenii until the official description was published.
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HookerWithAPenis
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Re: NZ ID Request--Subsecs? [Re: Anglerfish]
#23342514 - 06/14/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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True Anglerfish, but it is useful to indicate whether it's the subsecotioides variant or not. I like the name P. weraroa var. subsecotioides as you mentioned but "Psilocybe subsecotioides" is a name that gets thrown round a lot and would be what most people know them as.
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Edited by HookerWithAPenis (06/14/16 08:54 AM)
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Anglerfish
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HookerWithAPenis said: "Psilocybe subsecotioides" is a name that gets thrown round a lot and would be what most people know them as.
Yup, hence my comparison to "cyanofriscosa" - as vulgate nomenclature.
Question is whether the subsecotioid habit is a specific genetic trait or latent in the "main" species, P. weraroa. I don't know how thoroughly they've been studied, though.
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Re: NZ ID Request--Subsecs? [Re: Anglerfish]
#23343565 - 06/14/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does anybody know how these compare in potency to P. subaeruginosa? Can they be dried, like subs?
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I can't find any info on potency except this thread from seven years ago.
They appear, after all, to be quite weak.
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Re: NZ ID Request--Subsecs? [Re: Anglerfish]
#23344912 - 06/14/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can vouch for them being pretty strong. I would say pretty much as potent as subs. Just my opinion though.
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Hashed
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I find they are slightly less psychologically harsh as subs and less of a body load, they are still slightly stronger than subs imo though, a rougher but more comfortable trip.
Yes, they can be dried stormblooper, just make sure they are cracker dry or else they will become moldy.
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Re: NZ ID Request--Subsecs? [Re: Anglerfish]
#23345591 - 06/15/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
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HookerWithAPenis said: "Psilocybe subsecotioides" is a name that gets thrown round a lot and would be what most people know them as.
Yup, hence my comparison to "cyanofriscosa" - as vulgate nomenclature.
Question is whether the subsecotioid habit is a specific genetic trait or latent in the "main" species, P. weraroa. I don't know how thoroughly they've been studied, though.
Well, I don't know if vulgate is the word you were looking for but my nomenclature is good albeit not published, hence when we write it the species epithet is as follows, P. "subsecotioides", it's quite common for Mycologists to refer to a species with a name that has not yet been published. As far as I know "subsecotioides" is acceptable Latin whereas "cyanofriscosa" was not.
This partial secotioid habit is not present in P. weraroa, it is always completely secotioid.
It has yet to be proven if this is merely a distinct form of P. weraroa or if it is a different species.
I find it interesting that Acanthocytes are present in the rhizomorphic mycelium near the base of the stipe in this fungus.
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Re: NZ ID Request--Subsecs? [Re: inski]
#23346008 - 06/15/16 04:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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inski said: Well, I don't know if vulgate is the word you were looking for but my nomenclature is good albeit not published
Not criticising your nomenclature as such, just stating the popular ("vulgar") use of a (yet) unpublished name.
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This partial secotioid habit is not present in P. weraroa, it is always completely secotioid.
It has yet to be proven if this is merely a distinct form of P. weraroa or if it is a different species.
Thanks for clearing this up.
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Re: NZ ID Request--Subsecs? [Re: inski]
#23507626 - 08/03/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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inski said: It has yet to be proven if this is merely a distinct form of P. weraroa or if it is a different species.
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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Hashed said: Awesome, still haven't made P. subsecotioides official I assume?
The sequences came out the same as P. weraroa. It should probably be described as a variety.
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Re: NZ ID Request--Subsecs? [Re: Hashed]
#23510571 - 08/04/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Source https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23389010#23389010
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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Hashed said: Awesome, still haven't made P. subsecotioides official I assume?
The sequences came out the same as P. weraroa. It should probably be described as a variety.
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