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Post deleted by brendonReason for deletion: Not helpful because of the way I worded my question. I will read a lot more threads and then repost my question with carefully chosen words. Thank you
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: brendon]
#23341865 - 06/14/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Take the out of the incubator and just keep them on a shelf getting ambient light between 60 and 79 degrees F.
Just for future posts, nobody swims here.
And deleting your posts after you get an answer is punishable by ban.
Wherever they are make sure they have access to fresh air. No bags.
It takes about 14 - 21 days for full colonization.
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You want a still air box not a glove box. HEPA filters are useless unless you have allergies or something. A laminar low hood is much different than just a HEPA filter. A still air box is just as effective as using a flow hood.
Incubators drastically increase the odds of failure for noobs
Likewise don't put jars in a bag either. Just leave them on a shelf in room temperature 60-80F is fine 68-72 is perfect 65-75 is my preferred range.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: brendon]
#23341920 - 06/14/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Did you pressure cook to sterilize or did you boil them?
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: Nekobasu]
#23341947 - 06/14/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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They were bought sterilized. Op didn't make then pf cakes themselves
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: bodhisatta]
#23342395 - 06/14/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The odds of contamination increases with with lack of sterile techinque. Sounds like she used lot of old school methods which grew plenty of mushrooms for the follks around here 10-20 years ago. Other than getting a bit poked at for not studying and using the most on the cusp growing tech and sterile technique. Other than that. Depending on how much you studied, you probably have a 20-65% contamination rate which is a theoretical percentage it means absolutely nothing.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: Groo]
#23342398 - 06/14/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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12-40 days for full colonization depends on so many factors.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: Groo]
#23342488 - 06/14/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: brendon]
#23342621 - 06/14/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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thats way old and outdated info. they benefit from a 12hr on/off light cycle for their whole life. and dont need to be in near 80F temps. low 70s is much better for them and they can even be fine as low as 64F. Whereas contams and bacteria usualy love the higher temps around and above 80F. and you dont want to give those any more of an opportunity than they might already have. also, at certain temps(i think closer to high 80s) the myc will dry out and die.
next time you do research/searches use the search feature that you will see at the top middle of the site. then when doing searches, fliter the results to only show threads newer than 3-5 years old. and you can even filter to only show TC posts, or show just picture posts.. its a great tool.
but yeah, you have probably been reading very old info, which has changed now.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: mupetmower]
#23342941 - 06/14/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just stop, we all know it's you. You are the one growing a controlled substance. You.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: Inocuole]
#23342955 - 06/14/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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first tell your friend to do the research herself, this is way too much for you to learn and then pass on to a friend. bound to fail. second just DYI and follow www.mushroomvideos.com right about now so you dont wait in vain for your pre-contamed jars to show contams..
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: brendon]
#23343775 - 06/14/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah man... Take them out of the incubator... Just put them on a shelf... And to avoid contamination from this point, ummmmmmmm like... Don't open them.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: LocN9ne]
#23343836 - 06/14/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i incubate in total darkness at 76-78F in a TiT. speeds up colonization times and only increases odds of contam if sterile technique was off(or if you cant regulate the temp properly and it gets super hot).
it definitely sped up colonization time for me, noticeably at that. but my wife likes to keep the house like a refrigerator, so my myc doesnt really like the normal house temps :p
if its your first time though id stay as safe as possible so that you can make sure you come out with good healthy mushrooms!
good luck
edit - also maybe im just old, but wtf is this SWIM stuff? lol
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MycoLoopology said: i incubate in total darkness at 76-78F in a TiT. speeds up colonization times and only increases odds of contam if sterile technique was off(or if you cant regulate the temp properly and it gets super hot).
Alright, here's the part where I'm gonna ask that if you are still doing stuff like this, you go ahead and take it easy on giving advice in like every thread. Incubating in darkness is really really old school outdated info. Incubators are only even necessary if you can't keep your house above ~60F. You can chime in on stuff and encourage people to try agar and whatnot all you want but, TiTs incubating higher than 70F and colonizing in the dark is where the line gets drawn around here.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: Inocuole]
#23343954 - 06/14/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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MycoLoopology said: i incubate in total darkness at 76-78F in a TiT. speeds up colonization times and only increases odds of contam if sterile technique was off(or if you cant regulate the temp properly and it gets super hot).
Alright, here's the part where I'm gonna ask that if you are still doing stuff like this, you go ahead and take it easy on giving advice in like every thread. Incubating in darkness is really really old school outdated info. Incubators are only even necessary if you can't keep your house above ~60F. You can chime in on stuff and encourage people to try agar and whatnot all you want but, TiTs incubating higher than 70F and colonizing in the dark is where the line gets drawn around here.
i had a feeling this post was coming lol. ive heard theres a big portion of the community against incubating, but im personally 100% for it. be it outdated or not. i also mentioned that my house is like a refrigerator :p
i was unaware of the whole light thing however, which is quite interesting. i AM outdated at this point i know and i have lot to learn. which is why im here i suppose. i learned my mushroom technique 10 years ago, and really i have only deviated from it slightly using guides by frank.
while i failed to use my disclaimer in the previous post, i always try to make sure people understand that i am by no means an expert and am only giving my opinion so as to allow the OP to see various viewpoints from both veterans, noobs, and those in between.
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Frank used a tub in a tub incubator because it was literally 60f in his rooms. Unless you're under 65F an incubator is most often counterproductive
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: bodhisatta]
#23343980 - 06/14/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Frank used a tub in a tub incubator because it was literally 60f in his rooms. Unless you're under 65F an incubator is most often counterproductive
They are excellent for growing bacteria though...
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brendon said: ok, so should the jars remain in the incubator or be removed and placed someplace with light? They appear to be close to 3/4 colonized. what requirements should be present to accommodate the jars without increasing the odds of contamination? Preventative measures? Any help is appreciated!
here, RR right in your living room, in video, all those q's are answered:
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Third link in my signature and links in most other people's signatures are also good places to start
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: bodhisatta]
#23343999 - 06/14/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Frank used a tub in a tub incubator because it was literally 60f in his rooms. Unless you're under 65F an incubator is most often counterproductive
my wife keeps the house at 67F on the thermostat. she lowers this to 60 or below anytime she starts working on laundry or doing some vacuuming. the downstairs(where i will be working from here on), is even colder. havent checked the actual temp down here but im wearing a jacket at all times in my own home. so yeah, i need an incubator or my myc grows slow as.. i dont know. but it grows slow!
i cant even imagine how long my myc would take to grow in my office room down here. and i personally have never had a problem with my TiT causing any contams. if it did, i would probably be against it too.
but i suppose i can understand your views on this a bit more.. for a new member just learning how to grow mushrooms, anything over 70 can cause bacterial contamination to colonize much faster than myc can. but thats only if a lot of bacteria is still remaining right? with proper sterile technique, theres no reason why a jar even at 80F should grow a contam before the myc takes over. now.. anything over 80 would DEFINITELY be a problem im assuming. but an incubator dialed to 76-78 has always been MY preferred method.
i suppose ill add that i do NOT recommend this to others anymore. (i would, but apparently its not good for a majority of people)
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I would rather just buy another dozen jars then and have a rotation to make up for the extra day or two of colonization time in the low 60s
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: bodhisatta]
#23344026 - 06/14/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: I would rather just buy another dozen jars then and have a rotation to make up for the extra day or two of colonization time in the low 60s
do you really think its only a day or two? i suppose ill have to test this. ill try half my jars outside the TiT this next time around.
when i said noticeable amount though, i meant more like a week lol. thats how it felt to me anyway. never have i actually done an experiment testing the value of the TiT over a normal shelf.
i suppose that time has come :p
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: LocN9ne]
#23344053 - 06/14/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Frank used a tub in a tub incubator because it was literally 60f in his rooms. Unless you're under 65F an incubator is most often counterproductive
They are excellent for growing bacteria though...
Here here. 
I tried franks TITI and saw the FASTEST Growth I've ever seen in my life...
Cept that growth turned green.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: bodhisatta]
#23351098 - 06/16/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Stop making assumptions. No the jars were not bought pre made, and no one said anything about illegal substances.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: brendon]
#23351104 - 06/16/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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brendon said: Stop making assumptions. No the jars were not bought pre made, and no one said anything about illegal substances.
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Mushroom Cultivation (119 viewing) This forum is dedicated to all aspects of cultivating psychoactive mushrooms. Please read the disclaimer and the posting guidelines before posting in this forum.
It's heavily implied. If you are not in fact growing illegal substances then you might be looking for this forum:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/13
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: brendon]
#23351115 - 06/16/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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brendon said: SWIM has a few half pint jars that came with BRF, a self healing injection port, and a good hepa filter.She used a glovebox she made herself
Also when you say jars that "came with" They sound bought especially because there's the next sentence where you went out of the way to say you made something yourself
Also this forum is only for illegal substances
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Re: Odds of contamination *DELETED* [Re: Inocuole]
#23351136 - 06/16/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Odds of contamination *DELETED* [Re: spacechildo]
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: brendon]
#23351144 - 06/16/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It don't matter dude. You got new questions?
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: brendon]
#23351147 - 06/16/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm pretty damn sure your question was answered.
I didn't make any assumptions, I provided you helpful information. If you're posting here on accident and aren't growing psychoactive mushrooms you need to find your way to the other forum. If you are growing psychoactive mushrooms and you want help, we're all ears. We all most assuredly know how to produce tons of psilocybin mushrooms and can help you in that endeavor if you'll just be honest about it.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: brendon]
#23351191 - 06/16/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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brendon said: SWIM has a few half pint jars that came with BRF, a self healing injection port, and a good hepa filter.She used a glovebox she made herself and then transferred them to an incubator. She waited a week before checking on them and they are dong great. She was curious about the odds of any contamination? She is planning on leaving them in the incubator until they are ready, but what if she had just left them inside a bag in he closet? How long does the average 1/2 pint jar of BRF take to fully colonize at 78 degrees? Any ideas?
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: bodhisatta]
#23351227 - 06/16/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol OP ignored me. For pointing out they grow psychoactive substances (or not). 0 looks good on you OP. 
Wow they're ignoring 4 people already. What the fuck are you even here for if you don't want real answers from people who know what they're doing? Enjoy your ghost town of shitty answers.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: Inocuole]
#23351234 - 06/16/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Lol OP ignored me. For pointing out they grow psychoactive substances (or not). 0 looks good on you OP. 
Wow they're ignoring 4 people already. What the fuck are you even here for if you don't want real answers from people who know what they're doing?
because people are people 
im getting to where i hate the human species more and more every day...
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: mupetmower]
#23351243 - 06/16/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah... it can be really hard to see the good in people working with shitbirds all week here.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: mupetmower]
#23351249 - 06/16/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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May the gods of outdated info and poorly made LC visit OP. Lol, for fucks sake delete posts and level 9000 butthurt and all we try to do is help people grow for free.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: Inocuole]
#23351250 - 06/16/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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that and living in a city full of them.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: mupetmower]
#23351253 - 06/16/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shitbirds Mr lahey?
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: bodhisatta]
#23351272 - 06/16/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I got ignored for saying build a sab and watch let's grow mushrooms
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Oh yeah, this character is gonna do well here for suuuuuure.
Now to stalk their posts and competently answer all their questions so thoroughly that nobody else ever feels the need to add to it, like I did to drive several other ignorers away from the site permanently.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: Inocuole]
#23351288 - 06/16/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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pretty sure its just some butthurt members puppet.. no one acts like this.
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spacechildo said: I got ignored for saying build a sab and watch let's grow mushrooms 
And for pointing out it'd be easier to just tell her friend, than relaying the info through someone equally as inept.
You wanna try this again, OP?
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: Inocuole]
#23351298 - 06/16/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Oh yeah, this character is gonna do well here for suuuuuure.
Now to stalk their posts and competently answer all their questions so thoroughly that nobody else ever feels the need to add to it, like I did to drive several other ignorers away from the site permanently. 
That's some hilariously evil shit, Inoc.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: dankington]
#23351301 - 06/16/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh I missed that part, yeah I'm awful! It's obviously the worst way to learn.
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Re: Odds of contamination [Re: dankington]
#23351303 - 06/16/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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dankington said: That's some hilariously evil shit, Inoc. 
I don't know what you're talking about, I was just being as helpful as ever. 

Killing em with kindness really works.
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