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Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? *DELETED*
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Dayo22]
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Dayo22]
#23340749 - 06/13/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I always let my penis envy go too long.
Because they hardly ever drop spores you can get away with it.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#23340801 - 06/13/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would if the cap is starting to turn black ? What causes that. The first one to pop through is the biggest one you see in the pictures pretty sure its ready to go but you say to just leave it till they are all ready ?
The ones with dark caps im claiming aborts leave them in to ? How do i onow when the first flush is done i see more pins coming in. On the side again !:/ i wish they would pin ontop :/ that is caused by low humidity right ? I never checked to see if the substrate was at field capacity when i started.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#23340805 - 06/13/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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while im no expert i feel you made one fatal error that i can at least spot. you didnt line the tub. this allowed most of the nutes to go to the side mushrooms(or something like that), which causes the mushrooms to grow from the sides rather than the top.
i made this mistake very early in my career and had similar results. using a liner instantly started me off with small canopies and no sidepins.
just my 2 cents. im sure others will have much better info for you lol.
edit - in another note. i find that using regular plastic trash bags as lining will actually shrink WITH the substrate as you flush. keeping side pins from occurring through out the tubs life.
hope this helps a bit, and good luck buddy!
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Dayo22]
#23340808 - 06/13/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're good to harvest now if you want dude. This is basically the perfect time.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#23340834 - 06/13/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea this is actually my first ever expirament and i have noticed quiet a few mistakes a made in the process i definetly apreciate the advice and already planeed on using a liner in a regular monotub next time. I didnt have enough substrate/ coir so i did this tub in tub thing. Honestly im just super happy i will harvest anything being its p.e , a dubtub/ monotub lol and its my first expirament ever. Thank you !
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Dayo22]
#23340839 - 06/13/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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absolutely mate, we all start somewhere right?
so long as you enjoy the journey thats what matters bud, good luck
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23340842 - 06/13/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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MycoLoopology said: while im no expert i feel you made one fatal error that i can at least spot. you didnt line the tub. this allowed most of the nutes to go to the side mushrooms(or something like that), which causes the mushrooms to grow from the sides rather than the top.
It's because of the microclimate between the substrate and the tub, mycelium is not arbitrarily limited to where it can push nutrients in that way. A casing layer may have also encouraged more pins on the top of the substrate.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23340850 - 06/13/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It has definetly bin lots of fun. Cant wait to expierence these p.e. never cared to ask what kind they were before but now i will no forsure!
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Dayo22]
#23340861 - 06/13/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That one with the darker cap is not aborted...it just looks young, still has a way to go.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Inocuole]
#23340862 - 06/13/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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MycoLoopology said: while im no expert i feel you made one fatal error that i can at least spot. you didnt line the tub. this allowed most of the nutes to go to the side mushrooms(or something like that), which causes the mushrooms to grow from the sides rather than the top.
It's because of the microclimate between the substrate and the tub, mycelium is not arbitrarily limited to where it can push nutrients in that way. A casing layer may have also encouraged more pins on the top of the substrate.
oh my... that makes WAY more sense lmao. i suppose a majority of the moisture gathers along the sides in that way as well.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23340867 - 06/13/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It just grows where conditions are best, and nowhere else. A big flat surface where the conditions are even and the same is how you get a big pinset. Alternatively if the sides are all better than the top you get basically nothing on top.

Used to happen to me before I started casing and using a liner.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Inocuole]
#23340883 - 06/13/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So the wax paper cut to size and layed ontop would bemefit my second flush correct ? Also what do you use for a casing layer? Do you think jiffy mix will be sufficient. ? Also would it be to late to add the casing after harvesting the first flush ?
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Inocuole]
#23340901 - 06/13/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: It just grows where conditions are best, and nowhere else. A big flat surface where the conditions are even and the same is how you get a big pinset. Alternatively if the sides are all better than the top you get basically nothing on top.

Used to happen to me before I started casing and using a liner.
its uncanny how much that looks like my first tub ever, wow...
edit - and yes, same here. liner, casing layer, gypsum. proper technique. every little thing really matters! just takes time to learn (:
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23340924 - 06/13/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you guys i really apreciate the advice. Do i harvest this big boy now or wait till the rest catch up ? Why is his cap getting darker !?
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Dayo22]
#23341089 - 06/13/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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well.. again im not an expert so dont listen to me outright and make the decision lol. wait for better answers.
now it also depends on strain sometimes.. but me personally, i will pluck or cut the caps off the BIG mushies that grow before the rest are ready to start popping up. the spores that fall off the big mushies can be great for isolating strains, but are also terrible if they fall all over the top of your substrate/myc where new mushrooms will want to grow.
i do this to the first few BIG mushies in my tubs that break veil early. its probably not all that important, but i have weird little habits now. wait for someone else to chime in though like i said haha.
honestly though, for your first grow, id say just let it play out and learn from it as you go. its the journey that makes it all the more fun, and youre absolutely on the right track. each new grow from here on will be better and better until one day itll all come naturally to you.
edit - i missed this post of yours..
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Dayo22 said: So the wax paper cut to size and layed ontop would bemefit my second flush correct ? Also what do you use for a casing layer? Do you think jiffy mix will be sufficient. ? Also would it be to late to add the casing after harvesting the first flush ?
im not sure what the wax paper would be for? as for casing layer, you just use your substrate(coir/verm/hpoo/gypsum/etc.). but no you wouldnt add a casing layer now! your mycelium has stopped spreading/growing and is now in fruiting conditions. putting a casing layer now will only stunt growth i believe. but again, i could be wrong and im waiting for someone else to disprove or agree with me :p
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MycoLoopology] 1
#23341114 - 06/13/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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If it looks like this it's good to go, otherwise give it some time.

The biggest one you have with the wrinkly stipe under the cap is ready, the one with the very dark cap is nowhere near ready.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Inocuole]
#23341627 - 06/13/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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On that first picture, can we get a look at the dark spot that is towards the top of the image? That looks a little fishy.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: dankington]
#23341647 - 06/13/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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dankington said: On that first picture, can we get a look at the dark spot that is towards the top of the image? That looks a little fishy.
i saw that and just thought over moisture or some other issue related to FAE or Co2. but a close up would definitely help...
you can see the spot better in his second post/second pic top tub. still looks fishy i suppose..
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23341704 - 06/13/16 11:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Harvest PE when the stipe wrinkles up right under the cap. The caps get light as well.

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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MountainManDan]
#23342754 - 06/14/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Harvest PE when the stipe wrinkles up right under the cap. The caps get light as well.

Eh, well, I'd let mine go longer than that.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23342957 - 06/14/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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MycoLoopology said: while im no expert i feel you made one fatal error that i can at least spot. you didnt line the tub. this allowed most of the nutes to go to the side mushrooms(or something like that), which causes the mushrooms to grow from the sides rather than the top.
i made this mistake very early in my career and had similar results. using a liner instantly started me off with small canopies and no sidepins.
just my 2 cents. im sure others will have much better info for you lol.
edit - in another note. i find that using regular plastic trash bags as lining will actually shrink WITH the substrate as you flush. keeping side pins from occurring through out the tubs life.
hope this helps a bit, and good luck buddy!
No liner no side pins to speak of, I never line tubs

Some of it may be genetic, but like inoc said it can make for a favorable micro climate on the sides if you don't use a liner, mushrooms will fruit where conditions are best. But if your surface conditions are on point and more favorable than the sides you are less likely to get side pins without a liner.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23342971 - 06/14/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What am i doing wrong that the syrface are isnt as good as the sides ? I never did the drip test on my coir before mixing with spawn. It was probably on the dry side. This is a good reason for side pins right ?
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Dayo22]
#23342979 - 06/14/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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do you mist it to where it has little beads of moisture on it? some get their tubs dialed in so well that they dont need to, but some do give it a mist every now and then if it is too dry.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: mupetmower]
#23342993 - 06/14/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well it doesn't appear to have a casing layer, which penis envy likes having. The surface looks pretty bone dry. I don't know what kind of fruiting chamber it's in but I have a feeling it's not dialed in.
Those would be good places to start.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Inocuole]
#23343042 - 06/14/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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^what they said You want the surface covered in very fine beads of moisture like dew on a spider web. If it evaporates off too quickly you need to dial it in by tightening the poly a bit. PE pretty much demands a casing layer, whether it's left over CVG or peat based casing like jiffy mix. In my opinion a casing layer on all varieties is a good idea for someone starting out in bulk, takes a lot of the guess work out by providing a good micro climate on the surface until they learn how to properly dial in a tub. IME PE has always fully consumed coir casings, better than none at all but others have had good results with it. Jiffy mix dosen't seem to fully colonize and has worked better for me.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23343057 - 06/14/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No casing but im going to pick up some jiffy mix when my half pint jars are done collonizing. I keep being told it looks dry but i dunked one for 2 hours and one for 10 and bin misting and fanning 2-3 times a day ita in a regular monotub but there are containers in the monotub as this is my first expirament and didnt have enough substrate /spawn to fill the bottom so i used the smaller containers inside a container. Next time i will be using a liner and definetly checking the coir for field capacity before mixing in spawn. I forgot to check last time so it probably started dry and ideas on what to do to raise humidity i thought about putting perlite in the bottom of the monotub and putting the containers ontop of tht? Good idea, bad idea ???Quote:
NDStepp84 said: ^what they said You want the surface covered in very fine beads of moisture like dew on a spider web. If it evaporates off too quickly you need to dial it in by tightening the poly a bit. PE pretty much demands a casing layer, whether it's left over CVG or peat based casing like jiffy mix. In my opinion a casing layer on all varieties is a good idea for someone starting out in bulk, takes a lot of the guess work out by providing a good micro climate on the surface until they learn how to properly dial in a tub. IME PE has always fully consumed coir casings, better than none at all but others have had good results with it. Jiffy mix dosen't seem to fully colonize and has worked better for me.
How quickly should the beads evaporate off ? I looked up how to dial in your monotub like a boss and made top poly holes very loose and the bottoms ones lightly snug. Hmmm ??
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Dayo22]
#23343074 - 06/14/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can dial in a mono to where you don't need to mist at all until after first flush if your field capacity is on point and you don't fan monos. If the beads evaporate tighten the top poly a bit.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Dayo22]
#23343077 - 06/14/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Larger beads should take a couple days to evaporate. I've had plenty of tubs where the same exact water beads stayed there until harvest, pretty sure that's actually how it's supposed to be. But there should still be noticeable evaporation over the course of a day or two.
The tub I posted earlier in the thread had a coir casing that was fully consumed. It doesn't matter too much that it was fully consumed.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Inocuole]
#23343110 - 06/14/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I should add I'm not a big fan of set and forget either, If you allow enough FAE to where you have to give a light mist every other day or so it works out great but no need to fan.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23343111 - 06/14/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's how I like to run them usually myself. I really don't mind the occasional misting when it means the FAE they're getting is preventing a lot of shit from getting settled in and taking over, plus the fruits really dig it.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23343528 - 06/14/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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MycoLoopology said: while im no expert i feel you made one fatal error that i can at least spot. you didnt line the tub. this allowed most of the nutes to go to the side mushrooms(or something like that), which causes the mushrooms to grow from the sides rather than the top.
i made this mistake very early in my career and had similar results. using a liner instantly started me off with small canopies and no sidepins.
just my 2 cents. im sure others will have much better info for you lol.
edit - in another note. i find that using regular plastic trash bags as lining will actually shrink WITH the substrate as you flush. keeping side pins from occurring through out the tubs life.
hope this helps a bit, and good luck buddy!
No liner no side pins to speak of, I never line tubs

Some of it may be genetic, but like inoc said it can make for a favorable micro climate on the sides if you don't use a liner, mushrooms will fruit where conditions are best. But if your surface conditions are on point and more favorable than the sides you are less likely to get side pins without a liner.
learn something new here everyday i still imagine a liner would help though yeah? at least to keep light off the sides to keep any side pins from wanting to pop up. could be wrong i dont know.
as for the misting convo going on. i dont think ive ever misted my monos? i wasnt aware you were supposed to lol. first guide i ever used simply had me set and forget with a fan nearby but pointed away, and a simple light cycle set on a timer. worked for me aside from the fact that i was completely terrible at growing mushrooms back then and had no idea what i was doing (sidepin picture above that i mentioned is a close comparison to my first mono...)
PC'd grains, G2G transfer, CVG substrate, casing layer, and proper monotub set up(proper FAE mainly while keeping 94%(?)+RH) is how ive always produced my mushrooms. once a monotub is dialed in, it really is just set and forget unless youre like me and you like watching them grow. i also like cutting heads off the early ones.
but again, everyone learns differently and has a different way of doing things. environment plays a HUGE role as well. find what works for you and stick to it i say!
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23343578 - 06/14/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Light dosen't cause side pins, old info. IMO, the biggest help a liner gives is lifting the sub out to harvest and easy clean up after the tub is spent.
The chamber dosen't have to maintain a certain high humidity, the humidity that matters is on the microclimate on the surface which is achieved by evaporation and is a major pinning trigger. That's why one reason we were saying we like to allow for a little more evaporation and compensate by misting every so often. Fruiting chambers are really for our benefit, not the mushrooms so we don't have to mist as much, you can have good results open air if you are around to mist and keep the suface conditions right.
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MycoLoopology
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23343593 - 06/14/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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NDStepp84 said: Light dosen't cause side pins, old info. IMO, the biggest help a liner gives is lifting the sub out to harvest and easy clean up after the tub is spent.
The chamber dosen't have to maintain a certain high humidity, the humidity that matters is on the microclimate on the surface which is achieved by evaporation and is a major pinning trigger. That's why one reason we were saying we like to allow for a little more evaporation and compensate by misting every so often. Fruiting chambers are really for our benefit, not the mushrooms so we don't have to mist as much, you can have good results open air if you are around to mist and keep the suface conditions right.
wow okay good to know, thanks.
and i swear the older i get, the more i hear "old/outdated info buddy". times/science change too quickly for me :p
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23344123 - 06/14/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I also learn something new all the time and now can look back on all of these comments for my next expirament everyones advice is greatly apreciated thanks guys !
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