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MountainManDan
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23341704 - 06/13/16 11:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Harvest PE when the stipe wrinkles up right under the cap. The caps get light as well.

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Inocuole
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MountainManDan]
#23342754 - 06/14/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Harvest PE when the stipe wrinkles up right under the cap. The caps get light as well.

Eh, well, I'd let mine go longer than that.
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NDStepp84
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23342957 - 06/14/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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MycoLoopology said: while im no expert i feel you made one fatal error that i can at least spot. you didnt line the tub. this allowed most of the nutes to go to the side mushrooms(or something like that), which causes the mushrooms to grow from the sides rather than the top.
i made this mistake very early in my career and had similar results. using a liner instantly started me off with small canopies and no sidepins.
just my 2 cents. im sure others will have much better info for you lol.
edit - in another note. i find that using regular plastic trash bags as lining will actually shrink WITH the substrate as you flush. keeping side pins from occurring through out the tubs life.
hope this helps a bit, and good luck buddy!
No liner no side pins to speak of, I never line tubs

Some of it may be genetic, but like inoc said it can make for a favorable micro climate on the sides if you don't use a liner, mushrooms will fruit where conditions are best. But if your surface conditions are on point and more favorable than the sides you are less likely to get side pins without a liner.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23342971 - 06/14/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What am i doing wrong that the syrface are isnt as good as the sides ? I never did the drip test on my coir before mixing with spawn. It was probably on the dry side. This is a good reason for side pins right ?
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Dayo22]
#23342979 - 06/14/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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do you mist it to where it has little beads of moisture on it? some get their tubs dialed in so well that they dont need to, but some do give it a mist every now and then if it is too dry.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: mupetmower]
#23342993 - 06/14/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well it doesn't appear to have a casing layer, which penis envy likes having. The surface looks pretty bone dry. I don't know what kind of fruiting chamber it's in but I have a feeling it's not dialed in.
Those would be good places to start.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Inocuole]
#23343042 - 06/14/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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^what they said You want the surface covered in very fine beads of moisture like dew on a spider web. If it evaporates off too quickly you need to dial it in by tightening the poly a bit. PE pretty much demands a casing layer, whether it's left over CVG or peat based casing like jiffy mix. In my opinion a casing layer on all varieties is a good idea for someone starting out in bulk, takes a lot of the guess work out by providing a good micro climate on the surface until they learn how to properly dial in a tub. IME PE has always fully consumed coir casings, better than none at all but others have had good results with it. Jiffy mix dosen't seem to fully colonize and has worked better for me.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23343057 - 06/14/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No casing but im going to pick up some jiffy mix when my half pint jars are done collonizing. I keep being told it looks dry but i dunked one for 2 hours and one for 10 and bin misting and fanning 2-3 times a day ita in a regular monotub but there are containers in the monotub as this is my first expirament and didnt have enough substrate /spawn to fill the bottom so i used the smaller containers inside a container. Next time i will be using a liner and definetly checking the coir for field capacity before mixing in spawn. I forgot to check last time so it probably started dry and ideas on what to do to raise humidity i thought about putting perlite in the bottom of the monotub and putting the containers ontop of tht? Good idea, bad idea ???Quote:
NDStepp84 said: ^what they said You want the surface covered in very fine beads of moisture like dew on a spider web. If it evaporates off too quickly you need to dial it in by tightening the poly a bit. PE pretty much demands a casing layer, whether it's left over CVG or peat based casing like jiffy mix. In my opinion a casing layer on all varieties is a good idea for someone starting out in bulk, takes a lot of the guess work out by providing a good micro climate on the surface until they learn how to properly dial in a tub. IME PE has always fully consumed coir casings, better than none at all but others have had good results with it. Jiffy mix dosen't seem to fully colonize and has worked better for me.
How quickly should the beads evaporate off ? I looked up how to dial in your monotub like a boss and made top poly holes very loose and the bottoms ones lightly snug. Hmmm ??
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Dayo22]
#23343074 - 06/14/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can dial in a mono to where you don't need to mist at all until after first flush if your field capacity is on point and you don't fan monos. If the beads evaporate tighten the top poly a bit.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Dayo22]
#23343077 - 06/14/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Larger beads should take a couple days to evaporate. I've had plenty of tubs where the same exact water beads stayed there until harvest, pretty sure that's actually how it's supposed to be. But there should still be noticeable evaporation over the course of a day or two.
The tub I posted earlier in the thread had a coir casing that was fully consumed. It doesn't matter too much that it was fully consumed.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: Inocuole]
#23343110 - 06/14/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I should add I'm not a big fan of set and forget either, If you allow enough FAE to where you have to give a light mist every other day or so it works out great but no need to fan.
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23343111 - 06/14/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's how I like to run them usually myself. I really don't mind the occasional misting when it means the FAE they're getting is preventing a lot of shit from getting settled in and taking over, plus the fruits really dig it.
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MycoLoopology
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23343528 - 06/14/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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NDStepp84 said:
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MycoLoopology said: while im no expert i feel you made one fatal error that i can at least spot. you didnt line the tub. this allowed most of the nutes to go to the side mushrooms(or something like that), which causes the mushrooms to grow from the sides rather than the top.
i made this mistake very early in my career and had similar results. using a liner instantly started me off with small canopies and no sidepins.
just my 2 cents. im sure others will have much better info for you lol.
edit - in another note. i find that using regular plastic trash bags as lining will actually shrink WITH the substrate as you flush. keeping side pins from occurring through out the tubs life.
hope this helps a bit, and good luck buddy!
No liner no side pins to speak of, I never line tubs

Some of it may be genetic, but like inoc said it can make for a favorable micro climate on the sides if you don't use a liner, mushrooms will fruit where conditions are best. But if your surface conditions are on point and more favorable than the sides you are less likely to get side pins without a liner.
learn something new here everyday i still imagine a liner would help though yeah? at least to keep light off the sides to keep any side pins from wanting to pop up. could be wrong i dont know.
as for the misting convo going on. i dont think ive ever misted my monos? i wasnt aware you were supposed to lol. first guide i ever used simply had me set and forget with a fan nearby but pointed away, and a simple light cycle set on a timer. worked for me aside from the fact that i was completely terrible at growing mushrooms back then and had no idea what i was doing (sidepin picture above that i mentioned is a close comparison to my first mono...)
PC'd grains, G2G transfer, CVG substrate, casing layer, and proper monotub set up(proper FAE mainly while keeping 94%(?)+RH) is how ive always produced my mushrooms. once a monotub is dialed in, it really is just set and forget unless youre like me and you like watching them grow. i also like cutting heads off the early ones.
but again, everyone learns differently and has a different way of doing things. environment plays a HUGE role as well. find what works for you and stick to it i say!
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NDStepp84
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: MycoLoopology]
#23343578 - 06/14/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Light dosen't cause side pins, old info. IMO, the biggest help a liner gives is lifting the sub out to harvest and easy clean up after the tub is spent.
The chamber dosen't have to maintain a certain high humidity, the humidity that matters is on the microclimate on the surface which is achieved by evaporation and is a major pinning trigger. That's why one reason we were saying we like to allow for a little more evaporation and compensate by misting every so often. Fruiting chambers are really for our benefit, not the mushrooms so we don't have to mist as much, you can have good results open air if you are around to mist and keep the suface conditions right.
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MycoLoopology
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23343593 - 06/14/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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NDStepp84 said: Light dosen't cause side pins, old info. IMO, the biggest help a liner gives is lifting the sub out to harvest and easy clean up after the tub is spent.
The chamber dosen't have to maintain a certain high humidity, the humidity that matters is on the microclimate on the surface which is achieved by evaporation and is a major pinning trigger. That's why one reason we were saying we like to allow for a little more evaporation and compensate by misting every so often. Fruiting chambers are really for our benefit, not the mushrooms so we don't have to mist as much, you can have good results open air if you are around to mist and keep the suface conditions right.
wow okay good to know, thanks.
and i swear the older i get, the more i hear "old/outdated info buddy". times/science change too quickly for me :p
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Re: Did i wait to long for my penis envy harvest? Any advice please !? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23344123 - 06/14/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I also learn something new all the time and now can look back on all of these comments for my next expirament everyones advice is greatly apreciated thanks guys !
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